Talk:Saeed Abedini

NPOV
Whole story is based on one source, journalist from Fox News. Higly doubtful. --109.165.148.54 (talk) 03:56, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Added templates due to WP:RS, WP:BLPSOURCES, WP:NPOV and WP:RECENTISM. --109.165.148.54 (talk) 04:06, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This is nonsense. Saeed Abedini and his predicament have been profiled in several reliable sources beyond Fox News, including the Associated Press, Agence France-Presse . If you don't think this subject merits page, please initiate the AFD process. Otherwise, don't muck up the page with templates that don't apply. Plot Spoiler (talk) 03:08, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Reports of AP and AFP are just copy-paste from FoxNews. It's clearly that you promote Zionist propaganda about "persecution of Christianity in Iran" (what an irony) by using doubtful sources written by Zionist political activist. Don't thnik media isn't reported about both you and Daftari. --109.165.155.142 (talk) 03:50, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Nominating highly NPOV-violated article to "Did you know...?" by Israeli user Plot Spoiler can only be explained as spreading propaganda. --109.165.155.142 (talk) 04:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please review WP:AGF and WP:Attack before you find yourself blocked. I would also recommend striking your false comments above, since I'm not Israeli nor am I spreading propaganda. Plot Spoiler (talk) 04:08, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Please review WP:AGF and WP:Attack before you call good-faith editor as "propagandist" or "sock". Your actions speak for themself; you're removing sourced content from page about journalist and her political activism, and NPOV template from other article which is highly doubtful. There's no any other logical explanation but mentioned. --109.165.155.142 (talk) 04:19, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Nothing should be removed if it's sourced until this is resolved. Also, if the Associated Press is an exact copy of what the FOX News article says, it's likely that the story originated from the AP and was used by FOX, rather than the opposite. Inks.LWC (talk) 17:43, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * @ 109.165.155.142 (talk) Are you claiming that the story is completely false? If in your opinion it is partially true, can you identify which you consider true and which you consider untrue? Thanks. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 15:24, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

On May 11, 2015, the U.S. Senate voted 90-0 for the release of Pastor Saeed Abedini. I sourced AP, but there are plenty of sources out there. There is no doubt that the article is accurate.Easeltine (talk) 14:59, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Sourced material to help improve this article

 * More than 80 Senators and Representatives urged U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to "exhaust every possible option" to secure the release of Saeed Abedini.
 * Submitted by DonaldRichardSands (talk) 15:16, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Submitted by DonaldRichardSands (talk) 15:16, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * This press release has important significance in that eight congressmen's quotes are given verbatim.
 * Submitted by DonaldRichardSands (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Submitted by DonaldRichardSands (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Submitted by DonaldRichardSands (talk) 00:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
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Charisma News, January 22, 2013



 * Facts asserted in this news report:


 * 1) Abedini and his wife are now from Idaho
 * 2) He was accused of trying to entice young people to Christianity and away from Islam. # He was accused of attempting to undermine the Iranian government through the spread of Christianity.
 * 3) He is 32 years old
 * 4) In 2000, at the age of 19, he left Islam for Christianity.
 * 5) The Judge who tried him is Abbas Pir-Abbassi
 * 6) The American Center for Law and Justice is the primary source for this article.
 * 7) Evidence was given that Abedini created “a network of Christian house churches” starting in the year 2000.
 * 8) He was arrested in September, 2012, during a visit in which he was managing the construction of an orphanage.
 * 9) His supporters say he had agreed in 2009 to stop building the church network and to focus exclusively on the orphanage project.
 * 10) He had made eight orphanage-oriented visits to Iran before his arrest.
 * 11) His lawyer in Iran is Naser Sarbazi. Sarbazi "is a Muslim lawyer in Iran who is dedicated to preserving human rights and upholding the right for all individuals to practice their faith freely."
 * 12) Abedini’s father, who lives in Iran, was the one family member permitted in the courtroom.
 * 13) His wife is Nagmeh.
 * 14) She posted on the “Pray for Pastor Saeed Abedini” Facebook page that her husband told the judge that he was not a political person and had no political intentions. He said he was a follower Jesus Christ.
 * 15) Abedini and his wife were born Muslim in Iran.
 * 16) She moved to the United States as a child, obtained U.S. citizenship, converted to Christianity, relocated to Idaho with her family, and eventually returned to Iran to connect with her extended family, said
 * 17) They are members of Cavalry Chapel of Boise, Idaho.
 * 18) Lauren Phillips, coordinator for international outreach for Cavalry Chapel of Boise, shared information about their membership with the church.
 * 19) He is an ordained minister, though he has not been active in his home church.
 * 20) He married in 2004, they moved to Idaho in 2005.
 * 21) As the spouse of an American citizen, Abedini too was granted U.S. citizenship.
 * Submitted by DonaldRichardSands (talk) 01:41, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Relevant Iranian Constitutional articles
For future discussion of Iranian law, this may help:


 * Article 12 [Official Religion]
 * The official religion of Iran is Islam and the Twelver Ja'fari school, and this principle will remain eternally immutable. Other Islamic schools are to be accorded full respect, and their followers are free to act in accordance with their own jurisprudence in performing their religious rites. These schools enjoy official status in matters pertaining to religious education, affairs of personal status (marriage, divorce, inheritance, and wills) and related litigation in courts of law. In regions of the country where Muslims following any one of these schools constitute the majority, local regulations, within the bounds of the jurisdiction of local councils, are to be in accordance with the respective school, without infringing upon the rights of the followers of other schools.


 * Article 13 [Recognized Religious Minorities]
 * Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian Iranians are the only recognized religious minorities, who, within the limits of the law, are free to perform their religious rites and ceremonies, and to act according to their own canon in matters of personal affairs and religious education.


 * Article 14 [Non-Muslims' Rights]
 * In accordance with the sacred verse "God does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with those who have not fought against you because of your religion and who have not expelled you from your homes" [60:8], the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and all Muslims are duty-bound to treat non-Muslims in conformity with ethical norms and the principles of Islamic justice and equity, and to respect their human rights. This principle applies to all who refrain from engaging in conspiracy or activity against Islam and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Source:


 * The Constitution of Islamic Republic of Iran

Naghmeh Abedini
I have deleted some personal information about Saedd Abedini's wife. I don't see it as relevant to the article, and she is not a public figure. I think WP:NPF advises against such content. Maproom (talk) 16:49, 16 January 2016 (UTC)