Talk:Same-sex marriage in Kentucky

Start
Not sure what this new WP entry didn't start by using the (considerably better with fully formatted citations) material already available at LGBT_rights_in_Kentucky. The material there could be shortened to a summary and the detail could go here and be expanded as events develop.

I'd say that other version is still better and it would make sense to do that. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 22:21, 7 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Go for it. --Prcc27 (talk) 20:47, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Done. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 22:27, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Stay
SSM in Kentucky was given a longer stay.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/19/kentucky-gay-marriage_n_4995364.html?utm_hp_ref=politics --Prcc27 (talk) 01:10, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

County responses to Obergefell v. Hodges
The district ruling was to go into effect August 31, 2015 OR when the 6th circuit ruled, whichever came sooner. In fact the district has already ruled and gave no more delay, so the ruling is in effect. There is no required wait for August 31st, as incorrectly stated in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Difbobatl (talk • contribs) 17:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Map?
Isn't this process happening too quickly to have a map? After all, someone is going to have to create a new map every time a county changes their practices. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 21:04, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Updating the map shouldn't be a problem. The United States same-sex marriage map was consistently updated! Prcc27 (talk) 22:34, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * So this doesn't fall under WP:NOTNEWS? At any rate, this seems like too much to ask of wiki editors, generally speaking.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 22:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As long as the map is updated there shouldn't be a problem! Prcc27 (talk) 22:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If people don't mind doing all this unnecessary work, have at it. Meanwhile, all kinds of needed maps across the Wikipedia for much slower changing subjects are going unmade. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 05:58, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I for one am glad that you don't mind. There's plenty of stuff on Wikipedia that I don't care about, but I wouldn't want it denied to others as long as someone's willing to manage it. I feel that these maps are entirely appropriate to the topic(s). There are some topics that I follow closely in the news that probably are unimportant or meaningless to most people, but I wouldn't mind keeping them up to date if I felt it necessary. At the same time, there are plenty of topics that are changing very fast that I don't know about and don't care about— far too many for me or any other one person (or dozen or hundred) to follow the news for and keep their articles and maps updated. So who's asking it of us, or forcing us to do it? Nobody. That's how WP works: volunteers. The system ain't perfect, but it works well enough. --Thnidu (talk) 21:15, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Amusing though not encyclopedic:
U.S. District Court Judge David L. Bunning, who issued the contempt of court ruling to clerk Kim Davis on Sept. 3, is the son of Jim Bunning, who pitched a perfect game for the Philadelphia Phillies on Father's Day (June 21), 1964 against the New York Mets at Shea Stadium. --Thnidu (talk) 21:28, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Map appears to be incorrect
The Kentucky map and corresponding discussion seem wrong. According to my reading of the Ballotpedia reference, only Clinton and Whitley Counties are not issuing licenses to same-sex couples, purportedly due to form issues. Casey County has agreed it would issue if requested, and Knott County is up in the air. So Casey should be blue on the map, and Clinton should be pink. Map seems otherwise fine. Antinoos69 (talk) 09:59, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Disregard. Map now appears correct. Antinoos69 (talk) 05:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Knott transparency
Caption under the map: "Knott county refuses to say." ('s about 22 hours ago.) Sigh. --Thnidu (talk) 01:08, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Ridiculously vague table header
There is a section devoted to polls regarding same-sex marriage that were administered in Kentucky, with columns headed by "% support" and "%opposition".

This is utterly meaningless, unless the meaning of "support" and "opposition" are clarified.

Do they refer to whether the polled person likes same-sex marriage? Or do they refer to whether the polled person thinks same-sex marriage should be permitted? Or perhaps something else?

And with seven separate polls, and no two of them administered by the same organization or group of organizations, it seems entirely possible that the questions in the seven separate polls were phrased in various ways. Which would strongly suggest that one single header for all the polls is inappropriate.

Unless and until such issues are clarified, I strongly suggest that this table be removed from Wikipedia, because its main effect is confusion, not enlightenment.Daqu (talk) 10:51, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I disagree. The table is important. And there are many such throughout WP. If you feel the meaning of the tables should be clarified, that's fine (although I think it's clear), but that should be done by looking at the polls and making appropriate edits, not just nuking the entire section because you don't think the headers are clear enough. Njsustain (talk) 17:53, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

"All laws"?
§ State lawsuits says:
 * Judge Wingate also struck down all laws passed by the Kentucky General Assembly.

Surely not; that would be massively excessive. "All relevant laws", more likely. Needs a citation for detail. Thnidu (talk) 13:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Kim Davis
Kim Davis and Rowan County should be mentioned in the lead. —Prhartcom ♥ 12:29, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Update needed
§ Responses to Obergefell v. Hodges needs updating. I've done some today, but this remains.

The first paragraph of the section reads:
 * As of October 2, 2015, three counties refuse, or have not been confirmed to be ready, to issue licenses to same-sex couples. Whitley and Casey clerks claim that the First Amendment of the US Constitution or Section Five of the Kentucky constitution protects their religious freedom to refuse to issue licenses for same-sex marriage. Knott County officials refuse to state whether they would issue a license to a same sex couple but none have applied to do so.

In contradiction to this nine-month-old report, the last paragraph reads:
 * As of June 2016, Chris Hartmann, director of the Kentucky-based Fairness Campaign, said to his knowledge “there are no counties where marriage licenses are being denied” in his state.

I've pointed to this section from

--Thnidu (talk) 21:46, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Judge Bunning's decision
Judge (David) Bunning and "his decision/ruling" are mentioned four times, all in section Responses to Obergefell v. Hodges., but his name is not linked or the decision described until the third mention. This should happen at the first mention. I have not fixed it because he apparently took at least two actions in this case, and it isn't clear to me which is being referred to where. Thnidu (talk) 04:39, 3 June 2017 (UTC)