Talk:SandForce

SandForce Driven partners/products
I'm new to editing Wiki articles and I made a table of SandForce Driven partners and products. I wanted to post it here first to make sure I followed the guidelines before it got posted up on the main page. If someone could let me know if I need to make adjustments that would be great.

Ijkim88 (talk) 18:15, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I assume this was added by ljkim88 based on the edit history. You probably want to sign your posts with the four sequential ~ marks. You clearly spent a long time working on this table. I posted it tonight, but I commented out the entries you have as TBD since there are no sources or information to support the claim.
 * On the Viking entries there does not seem to be any evidence directly linking those products to SandForce, but I do recall seeing something from IDF a few weeks ago. If you can find that article and link it as a source to as many of the products as you have listed, it will better support this claim. Otherwise we will likely need to remove them without any sources.
 * You would be better to have the company names be links to articles in Wikipedia and then have the company sites be entered as sources for each product. I would propose the source be entered as attached to the product model being used since that is what needs the source in the table. Then the products should not be linked to the companies' web sites like you have now. If you can find the internal Wikipedia article on the products then that would be better, otherwise I think there are too many external links in the main article. However if you can find another article that uses this many external links in a "Feature Article" or "Good Article" status then I will stand corrected.
 * &sect; Music Sorter &sect;  (talk) 06:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I forgot to sign my post. I will make proper adjustments to the table with the proper sources. I couldn't find an article with this many external links either, so I will change that too. Also, it seems there was an announcement for a new product SF-2000
 * Ijkim88 (talk) 18:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Now after a couple years, I would say this kind of advertisement cut-n-paste would not be appropriate for an encyclopedia. Especially now that the company is just a part of LSI, this can probably be summarized for historical value. W Nowicki (talk) 21:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I see you updated the tense of the article which seems appropriate, but I am not sure I agree the table should be deleted. People come to Wikipedia to learn about products. The table helped identify products that use the SandForce controller and participate in the SandForce Driven program. There are a number of articles that have lists like this. How is this not encyclopedic? I propose we add it back in, but maybe remove the older products. &sect; Music Sorter &sect;  (talk) 18:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds like we need a third opinion. I would say the guidelines WP:LINKFARM WP:NOTADVERTISING and WP:NOTCATALOG all apply here. This is just a litany of URLs promoting products without any sources. It is guaranteed to be out of date as people read it in the future. Readers who want an up to date list can go to the company web site, that is not a job for Wikipedia which has a neutrality policy. Other encyclopedias do not include product promotion like this; it belongs in some of the many product guides that exist. These kind of dated product pages need to eventually be removed from other articles too. Thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 18:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You are probably correct that more opinion may be necessary here. You said this is a litany of URLs without sources, but maybe you are only looking at the talk page table above. To enable this discussion I have restored the last version from the public page here to ensure the discussion is considering what was actually on the page. Every entry is absolutely sourced and this list does not exist on any current web site. I disagree with your assessments on the three WP guideline links. In each case I do not believe the individual criteria for those apply to this content.


 * I also propose that this list is no different from the many "List of ..." pages in the computer technology area that are constantly getting updated including List_of_flash_memory_controller_manufacturers, List_of_defunct_hard_disk_manufacturers, List_of_solid-state_drive_manufacturers, List_of_HTC_phones, List_of_multi-touch_computers_and_monitors, List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors, and many, many more. In fact some of the lists like List_of_Crystal_Dynamics_video_games are Featured Lists and have more association with your WP guidelines than the SandForce Driven list. You said the SandForce Driven list has to be maintained, but it needs no more editing than this Crystal Dynamics list over time. &sect; Music Sorter &sect;  (talk) 06:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I think this table may have multiple sources, updating all of it would be tedious and maybe redundant to a degree. I also agree this table is very much like the other lists and requires the same maintenance over time. The table has been there for 2 years and it does not seem appropriate to delete it now when there was no opposition raised. I propose we add it back at least for now while we continue to debate and get additional inputs/references on its appropriateness. Belmond (talk) 08:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)Belmond

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Not every company listed in the table participates in the SandForce Driven program, but they do identify the controller in the SSD is from SandForce.

!===Systems=== In December 2010, SandForce announced the expansion of the SandForce Driven program to include system manufacturers naming Eurocom as the first member in that category. The system manufacturer offers configurations that include SSDs which include SandForce controllers.

!==SandForce Trusted==

After the success of the SandForce Driven program, SandForce created the SandForce Trusted program in January 2011, which identifies approved vendors that provide equipment, tools, and services compatible with SandForce SSD Processors. It is a form of Approved Vendor List that helps SSD OEMs and manufacturers get a higher level of service and support from the companies on the SandForce Trusted list. Each member company ensures that their products and/or services fully support SandForce SSD Processors and provides response to SandForce customer inquiries within 24 hours. SandForce created a new SandForce Trusted logo which member companies use in their advertising and promotional materials.

Sandforce AES encryption
Hello, Please somebody edit encryption section in article: " It is linked to the BIOS password and encrypts the user data at the full speed of the data as it passes through the controller." This information is wrong, SandForce do not use bios password, instead ssd controller uses standard ATA user and master hdd passwords specified in bios (or by utils like HDPARM/HDAT2).

"An optional disk-level password can be required prior to system boot adding an extra level of data security assurance for business travelers carrying confidential information." from http://www.sandforce.com/userfiles/file/downloads/product_briefs/LSI_SandForce_2200Client_PB_120618.pdf

Intel SSD 520 based on sandforce: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/ssd-520-aes-tech-brief.html

http://communities.intel.com/message/120689#120689 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.177.109.226 (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)