Talk:Sanzō Nosaka

Death
How did he die? Where did he die, and under what circumstances? Boneyard90 (talk) 11:30, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I found a source that says Nosaka "died at his home... of old age". I'm adding the info to the bio. It's interesting that none of his obituaries or biographies mention him having any long-term health problems. One said that he checked himself into a hospital when he was 100 just to avoid the media!Ferox Seneca (talk) 06:10, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedia Britannica states that Nosaka died in Tokyo (which is where his house would have been).Ferox Seneca (talk) 08:23, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

-WHO IS "Matsu"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.187.129 (talk) 17:17, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Matsu was the the name of Kenzo Yamamoto's wife, as the paragraph describing the circumstances of her death indicate.Ferox Seneca (talk) 01:17, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Accuasations of Nosaka being a police spy
Nosaka Sanzo was accused of betraying the Sorge ring and a number of communists of Japanese descent living in the United States. The accuser was Ito Ritsu. Ito was called the judas who betrayed the sorge ring. From this source. Stalin's Spy: Richard Sorge and the Tokyo Espionage Ring By Robert Whymant Page 322

Ito Ritsu, was a communist agitator who, to some Japanese left-wing circles, was a police spy for the Japanese authorities. From this source Stealing Secrets, Telling Lies By JAMES GANNON(Greg723 (talk) 02:49, 30 June 2014 (UTC)).

Needs more accusations of Sanzo being a police spy. (Greg723 (talk) 03:00, 30 June 2014 (UTC)).

Since Nosaka's article is ranked as a good article, this information should go thru the talk page.(Greg723 (talk) 05:38, 30 June 2014 (UTC)).


 * I appreciate your interest in the source. Regarding your information, it would be more clear if the some related issues could be addressed. When was this accusation made, and in what context? If it was within Nosaka's lifetime, how did Nosaka address it (if he did at all)? If it was not made within Nosaka's lifetime, why not? Did it have any effect on Nosaka's life or reputation? To what degree do scholars (or others) regard the accusation as true? What was Ito's motivation for making this accusation? What was his relationship with Nosaka? Who was it who called Ito a "Judas"?


 * Regarding your sourcing: could you please provide full (MLA) citations? A full citation for a book with a single author should contain at least this information: author; full title; city published in; publishing company; date published; ISBN#. (Plus the page number(s) cited, of course!)


 * You can find many examples of full citation on this website: https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/747/06/Ferox Seneca (talk) 13:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Suggestions
This is an interesting article. There are some suggestions about improving the article: Thanks. --Tinpisa (talk) 21:29, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Scandal: Could add The Japanese party newspaper reported at the time that Mr. Nosaka had told a session of the central committee he had nothing to say about the matter. from Ref#4.
 * Mr. Yamamoto is referred to as a legendary spy in the article per ref#4. However, there is nothing in this source to support this. All it states is legendary Japanese Communist, Kenzo Yamamoto. Maybe, the correct source could be linked.
 * The article attributes with his common-law wife, Matsu, since 1928 to ref#4. However, there is no mention about Kenzo Yamamoto's wife in the source. Maybe the correct source could be linked.
 * There is a statement that While in London he became active in communist circles... attributed to ref#4. But the source only states he returned from study in Britain, where he had helped to found the British Communist Party in 1920. Probably the correct source could be linked to support that he became active in communist circles in London.
 * The article attributes he and four other members of the JCP were elected in the 1946 election to ref#4. The source only says before returning to Japan in 1946, when he was elected to Parliament. It does not mention the four other members of the JCP. Probably the correct source could be linked.
 * The sentence Most of his colleagues active in the JCP, who were not able to go abroad, were subsequently arrested by the kempeitai is unsupported by the source ref#7.
 * The sentence Nosaka joined the faculty of Keio University in the lead is unsupported in the article.
 * The phrase if Soviet forces were ever able to occupy Japan is unsupported by the source #1.


 * Wow: thanks for going over the article in such detail! Do you have a particular background in Japanese history or communism, or are you just especially detail-oriented? I will address your suggestions point-by-point.
 * I don't have any problem with altering the article to state directly that the Japanese Party newspaper reported that Nosaka had nothing to say, but I don't see the difference between that and the current version. The line "I have nothing to say" is quoted in the article it is sourced from, and readers can tell where it was reported from the source.
 * Kenzo Yamamoto is described as "legendary" in the Pace article, and this interpretation is properly sourced.
 * It is true that the Pace article doesn't mention Matsu. The rest of the paragraph discusses Matsu in more detail, and all details are properly sourced to the Kirkup article. I could shift the first citation several words to the left, if you believe that readers will find this confusing.
 * I don't understand the point of removing the reference to Nosaka becoming "active in Communist circles" in London. The previous sentence (sourced from the Kirkup article) states that Nosaka was introduced to Marxism for the first while studying in London, and he must have become active in British communist circles in order to have become a founding member of the British Communist Party (which the Pace article explicitly states he did). The statement that Sanzo circulated among British Communists is an obvious statement that must have happened, according to the sources cited.
 * The Pace article doesn't mention the exact number of seats gained by the JCP in 1946, but the CIA report by Taylor (p.3), sourced later in the same sentence, does. As per your suggestion I deleted the earlier reference to the Pace article, because the Pace article does not discuss anything not mentioned in Taylor's report.
 * Page 124 of Ariyoshi, Beechert, and Beechert states that, after Nosaka escaped Japan, "practically all of his colleagues in the Communist Party leadership were in prison." I made a mistake citing this page, and accidentally wrote "123". This mistake has been corrected.
 * The sentence "Nosaka joined the faculty of Keio University" is found in the second paragraph of the Kirkup article, and is properly sourced.
 * The Kirkup article states that Nosaka "advised Stalin to maintain the status quo in Japan, though he suggested that the Emperor Hirohito should be replaced by Crown Prince Akihito." Because Stalin would have no influence on the Japanese political system unless the Soviets occupied Japan, I'm sure that Nosaka's advice refers explicitly to a hypothetical Soviet occupation of Japan.Ferox Seneca (talk) 02:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the detailed reply. I read the article and found it interesting, but found some inconsistencies when I looked up some of the references. I was trying to draw your attention to the words session of the central committee and spy (points 1 and 2). Maybe it could be stated that Nosaka told a session of the central committee. Also there is nothing in the source to support that Yamamoto was a spy. The phrases active in Communist circles and if Soviet forces were ever able to occupy Japan are OR and synthesis and must be removed. Moreover as you say these phrases are implicit from the circumstances, it would be clear to the reader even if they were removed. The second para states he graduated from Keio University. Would this mean he was a faculty of the Univ? Thanks once again. --Tinpisa (talk) 09:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know much about Kenzo Yamamoto, but I can't find any reference to him being a spy, except for the spurious accusations made against him within the USSR that he was a spy for the Japanese. I will change "spy" to "communist" in the article.
 * The second paragraph of the Kirkup article states that Nosaka "was a professor at Keio University".
 * As per your suggestion, I inserted a few words into the second last paragraph stating that it was the Party newspaper who reported that Nosaka had nothing to say.
 * I think we might have a different understanding of the prose of the article. The phrase "he was active in communist circles" means "he got to know other communists". It's sourced that Nosaka founded the British Communist Party with other British Communists, so I believe that it's implicit in the source that he got to know other communists.
 * I'm sure that I've read another source that discussed in more detail Nosaka's pre-1945 advice to the Soviets regarding the Imperial family, but I can't seem to find that source right now. I'll change the prose of the sentence to something more neutral until something turns up clarifying the context.Ferox Seneca (talk) 07:18, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! IMO there should also be a sentence in the main body that Nosaka was a faculty at the Keio University, and you could source it to the Kirkup article. Thanks once again, for considering my suggestions. --Tinpisa (talk) 15:38, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Very good article
I enjoyed it. (Is there nothing about his early life: where born, family etc.?) MathewTownsend (talk) 01:38, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't discuss it in the article, but the infobox on the right states that Nosaka was born in Hagi, Yamaguchi. He had a wife name "Ryu". Because the rest of his family is never mentioned in any articles about him that I have found, I believe that the couple was childless.Ferox Seneca (talk) 03:21, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll consult some print sources later to see if I can get more information about Nosaka's early life.Ferox Seneca (talk) 03:28, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I added some details about Nosaka's family background, and about the earliest periods of his life. Authors probably choose not to write much about Nosaka's life before he attended university because that portion of his life was probably not especially notable.Ferox Seneca (talk) 12:13, 8 December 2011 (UTC)