Talk:School refusal

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categories
This article is of course important to explain some phenomena in Japanese education, but it is nowhere limited to the country. The article contains no Japan-specific information. So it shouldn't be in the country-specific categories. -- Mkill 04:13, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The current entry is not limited to any country as it is a stub, however, I intended to provide specific history of the phenomena relevant to Japan and that is why I provided links to Japan (I just got hammered with university work this week and a troll attack). Known as Toukyoukouhi in Japan, school refusal is seen as a much greater crisis than in the United States and elsewhere due to the Confucian influence on Asian cultures and the high value placed upon education in society.  I could write something to that effect now, but I wanted to properly expand it with sources and citations.  I'm going to add the categories back in and throw in a few Japan-specific paragraphs the next time I modify the entry okay?  The other solution is to create an article for Toukyoukouhi, but to be honest, it would probably become merged with this stub eventually. --Mdziesinski 10:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I would rather merge Truancy and School refusal in one article and make an extra article for the Japanese situation. -- Mkill 14:52, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

It might be worth noting that the ages provided -- 5, 6, 10, and 11 -- are synonymous with introduction into a new situation; in the United States, those are the ages in which children enter elementary school, or move in turn to middle school. Is there a primary source for definite correlation? Theogrin 17:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Autodidactictly
From the History page: 'Factors that cause school refusal behavior: Replaced using drugs with a more positive example of what kids would rather do. Wikipedia doesn't need to be another media source of moral panic' Autodidactictly? Is there any example of this as an alternative? Or is this just an excuse to ignore the drugs problem>Shipsview (talk) 22:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Article problems
I've tagged the article for several obvious problems. It's written as a piece of advice on what to do, hence the tone and POV (non-neutral) tags. JoshuSasori (talk) 02:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

The following bulleted item: "Children with social phobia with smooth transition for shyness is to find the start of school is often a tedious. These children generally have a tendency towards acting fearful or depressed under this condition, or if bullied or over-stressed. School phobia is the rarest form of school anxiety." has major grammar issues. I'm not sure what it is supposed to say but someone should rewrite it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.243.224.224 (talk) 17:47, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi 146.243.224.224, thank you for your comment! You're absolutely right and I have copyedited the sentences, and also added a tag that this needs to get a source. With friendly regards,  Lova Falk     talk   08:53, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

No discussion of abuse and bullying as reasons why the kid might be avoiding school?
While I'm not up to doing a section myself, I was struck by the exclusion of any possibility that the child or youth might be facing a genuine threat at school (OK, there's one link to "Bullying" at the very bottom of the page.) The diagnosis section presumes that the refusal must be some sort of psychological abnormality. It does not even mention any attempt to find out if the kid is being bullied, sexually abused, or otherwise given good reason to stay away from school. --71.62.74.115 (talk) 13:20, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I entirely agree that bullying may be a significant factor and that it probably deserves a section of its own. I am going to add a small section in hopes that someone with more information may expand it. VictoriaWordNerd (talk) 03:22, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Bias against children
This point:

It is important for parents to keep trying to get their child to go back to school. The longer a child stays out of school, the harder it will be to return.

Seems to contradict the following:

However, it may be hard to accomplish as when forced they are prone to temper tantrums, crying spells, psychosomatic or panic symptoms and threats of self-harm. These problems quickly fade if the child is allowed to stay home.

The obvious conclusion, it seems, is that making the a child go back to school is not a good solution, since allowing them to stay home fixes the problem. Saying "It is important for parents to keep trying to get their child to go back to school" implies that forcing children to go to school is a good idea, even in the face of severe emotional distress, as if children do not have the right to make their own choices. While this might be a common attitude in modern western society, it is still an example of bias, and not something that can be assumed on an article like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:F02:E369:85AA:7DCE:BCEE:4F40 (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Should the names of specific self assesments be aadded?
Sorry if the name is long, I'm wondering if (the subject), I only know that the SCARED-R includes measuring the symptoms of School phobia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.126.11.220 (talk) 18:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Classification conundrums
Currently, "classification", contains two aspects of school avoidance, but ends on said "assessment" section, which clashes with the first two. I suggest either integrating this last section into "treatment", as assessment is often considered the first part of treatment, or giving it its own section if that is too debatable. "Signs and symptoms" might not be representative, as "assessment" discusses the problems inherent in trying to correctly assess symptoms and signs, rather than the signs themselves, but it could serve as a useful epilogue to that section too. Speaking of "classification" the introduction to the article mentions four reasons for school avoidance, and I found myself looking for descriptions of those reasons in classification, to no avail. This is my first discussion post, sorry if I messed anything up! Porkbellied (talk) 03:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)