Talk:Seattle

Native Language of Seattle
Lushootseed is the native language of the Seattle area. A place's native language is closely associated with that place. It has been in use for thousands of years and continues to be used in the community. It is not just a random language. Like any other article, the native language translation can appear in the lead. @Magnolia677 PersusjCP (talk) 22:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, see other cities like:
 * - Pamplona, where the native language Basque is used
 * - Dublin, where the native Irish is used
 * - Canberra, where the native Ngunnawal is used
 * - Auckland, where the native Maori is used
 * - Rennes, where the native Breton is used
 * - Luleå, where the native Sámi is used.
 * Wikipedia has established a precedent for the addition of the native language of the land and people who are Indigenous to the city and area, regardless if the language is majority-spoken (It certainly isn't in most cases) or even discussed in the article at all, although most feature a paragraph or two regarding the languages. To me, a disqualifying factor is for an ancient people who no longer exist, such as the Romans, Goths, etc, where inclusion of those relevant languages would go somewhere in the article where they are discussed, which happens on a great deal of articles. However, this isn't the case with Lushootseed, for the Indigenous people of Seattle, the Duwamish, still exist in the form of several organized tribes, and the language is still spoken in those communities to this day. PersusjCP (talk) 23:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * MOS:LEADLANG states: "if the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name may be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses. For example, an article about a location in a non-English-speaking country will typically include the local-language equivalent. In this article, the Duwamish people are mentioned in one sentence, and the Lushootseed are mentioned in one sentence. Moreover, the Native American population of Seattle is 0.4 percent.  Hardly comparable to Gaelic in Dublin!  I think you have misinterpreted to the policy.  Would you consider reverting your edit? Magnolia677 (talk) 15:13, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Lushootseed is a language, not a people. How many sentences would it take for you to think the history warrants mention? In Luleå, there are ZERO sentences about the Sámi. You had better go change it. Rennes has a single paragraph about the Breton language, and a single sentence about early Gaelic inhabitants. Dublin has a section about the Irish language in Dublin. There is just as much which could be written about Lushootseed in Seattle, but that of course wouldn't be related to the article, would it? Auckland has a few "unrelated" sentences about the Maori. Canberra has a large section devoted to its native peoples.
 * The double standard here is showing. Native history belongs in articles. Regardless of how much is written, the consensus on Wikipedia is that Native history belongs. If you want me to write more about Indigenous history in Seattle, I sure can do that. PersusjCP (talk) 16:29, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, the Indians were everywhere, up and down the coast, in tiny numbers, or seasonal settlements, leaving behind traces of archaeological remnants, and now they comprise a tiny percentage of the population. This article's association with the various tribes who migrated through the area hardly merits mention in the first sentence. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You are wrong on literally every count, it's impressive. Indigenous people still exist. Historically, the Duwamish were in large numbers, with at least 17 villages. Not just random people migrating around. You are wrong about "traces" of archaeological elements. The archaeological history of the Indigenous peoples is vast and can be seen in cultural centers and museums across the country and even across the globe. It isn't "various tribes who migrated through the area," there were YEAR ROUND COMMUNITIES no different to any pre-industrial settlement anywhere in the world.
 * It's clear you are incredibly biased against this history. PersusjCP (talk) 17:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm just seeing this comment., I think you should strike your statement speaking about Native Americans and American Indians in past tense. We are still here. And we more than migrated through areas of this continent from the extreme arctic to the Gulf of Mexico into Latin and South America. Indians as you refer to them, inhabited these places and called it home. They have names. They are people and they formed nations with laws, customs and traditions. Whether we agree with it or not the land was taken from them and many tribes and nations suffered unspeakable horrors at the hands of the colonial empires including mass loss of life and culture. They shouldn't be cast aside with a wave of the hand as if they were irrelevant. Many of our population centers and cultural centers across North America began as Native American settlements and trading posts. -- A Rose Wolf  19:53, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That kind of sentiment is not only hurtful and stereotypical, but wholly inaccurate to reality. Completely the opposite of the kind of idea that Wikipedia should foster PersusjCP (talk) 19:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a general problem with Native language parameter.....that is many believe it's related to an indigenous population. This parameter is not for advocacy type edits but for first language of non-english places and things. That said the native language may be indigenous in nature..... what sources do we have claiming some sort of official status or recognition in this case? Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 19:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That's your personal issue with Native languages, you mean, and you always seem to pop up on articles where you can have the information censored from Wikipedia despite it being sourced. oncamera  (talk page) 02:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 02:44, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * We have to wait until the colonizing government declares an official status to the languages they systemically erased to add sourced information to Wikipedia? Hilarious demand. oncamera  (talk page) 15:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * "Colonizing government"...friend, this is Wikipedia, not a college campus. Please respond to the questions and keep the discussion civil. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Magnolia677 They did respond to the question? They asked why would Wikipedia rely on a biased source, that being a government which has a reason to suppress certain elements? Wikipedia doesn't only source its statements from the government, or else Kosovo would be called a region of Serbia, and not a country; or Taiwan a part of the PRC. That would be biased. PersusjCP (talk) 17:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Exactly so, PersusjCP. Why are we demanding biased sources? That's not the policy on Wikipedia. oncamera  (talk page) 18:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * A biased source helps no one, what would help here is a reliable third-party source. Crescent77 (talk) 03:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2023
The second paragraph under "Transportation" indicates that the 1 Line travels between Angle Lake and the University of Washington. A few paragraphs later it has the correct termini listed - so this is more about consistency.

Change to Angle Lake and Northgate (and then to Lynnwood, in Fall 2024). Scuplin (talk) 18:24, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Rehsarb (talk) 22:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

✅: It was clear enough to me what changes needed to be made, and I have done so. Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 04:49, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Religion
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/seattle-is-the-least-religious-large-metro-area-in-the-u-s/


 * An interesting result, one which highlights the consistent differences between what people say on surveys, as reflected in our article (only 16% agnostic or atheist), and what they show through their behavior. Are you proposing that we add something to the article based on this source? I would support it. HiLo48 (talk) 22:55, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @HiLo48 I'm unable to view the article text, but certainly welcome any appropriate article improvements. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:01, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. HiLo48 (talk) 06:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Seattle Washington maps1984
Sea 67.183.241.136 (talk) 18:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Population
Washington State's Office of Financial Management provides non-census year estimates of the total population. Should this article be updated to reflect the annual population estimate that's generated by the OFM? As far as I know, it is the best source for population estimates on non-decennial years. OFM estimates that Seattle's April 1, 2023 population was 797,200. 136.27.14.127 (talk) 01:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For consistency with other U.S. articles, the Census Bureau's annual July 1 estimates should be used here. The OFM's projections can be used as long as the two aren't mixed together.  Sounder Bruce  04:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)