Talk:Sexual jealousy

More Detail for Sex Differences
Could go into more detail here:


 * "For men it is felt as a threat to his relationships future because he could be cuckolded into raising children that are not his own. For women they can lose their relationship and all the benefits that entails to another."

How has this been shown in research and are there citations for this? Also, what exactly is meant by "all the benefits that entails to another"? Resources? Protection? Emotional benefits?

Tinaballerina02 (talk) 15:16, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Article requires additional verifiable and credible sources
The article could be made further verifiable through an additional breadth of credible sources. For example, Harris (2003)[1] also reviewed sex differences in sexual jealousy through different forms of data (self-report and psychophysiological. She also found that women are more impacted by their partner's emotional infidelity, and men are more impacted by sexual infidelity.

Furthermore, there is a lack of intext citations: "For men it is felt as a threat to his relationships future because he could be cuckolded into raising children that are not his own. For women they can lose their relationship and all the benefits that entails to another." There is no source for this. Simply including the Wiederman and Allgeier (1993) [2] paper would have been sufficient to back the statement made. This reference would also enable writers to introduce other explanations for sexual jealousy.

Additionally, links to pages such as Masculine Psychology could be made. Sections could also be split into human sexual jealousy and sexual jealousy in primates, to compare different behaviours.

Mshahzad1 (talk) 20:04, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Expansion on evolutionary explanation for sexual jealousy
Could improve and expand the evolutionary aspect of sexual jealousy. Perhaps go on to talk about whether there are any evolutionary or adaptive reasons for sexual jealousy and what kind of social implications sexual jealousy has in todays society

L.Flank (talk) 21:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Mate guarding and sperm competition
This article could be improved by adding information about sperm competition and mate guarding, and how this related to sexual jealousy. This would tie in to the previous comment about evolutionary reasons for sexuality. It could also include information about the physical adaptations due to sperm competition, such as the coronal ridge on human penises and physical penis adaptations in other animals. Oryx7892 (talk) 12:37, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Sexual jealousy in humans be merged into Sexual jealousy. They both explain the same thing and could both do with a proper clean up. It is confusing having both pages. The page Sexual jealousy can encompass both humans and other animals in one location. Nicolehyare (talk) 17:24, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Proposed bibliography additions
I intend to edit and expand the current content on the sexual jealousy article. Here are some sources I may use to do that:

Duncombe, J., Harrison, K., Allan, G., & Marsden, D. (Eds.). (2014). The state of affairs: Explorations in infidelity and commitment. Psychology Press.

Erber, R., & Erber, M. W. (2016). Intimate relationships: Issues, theories, and research. Psychology Press.

Buss, D. (2015). Evolutionary psychology: The new science of the mind. Psychology Press.

Carpenter, C. J. (2012). Meta-analyses of sex differences in responses to sexual versus emotional infidelity men and women are more similar than different. Psychology of Women Quarterly, 36(1), 25-37.

Harris, C. R. (2003). A review of sex differences in sexual jealousy, including self-report data, psychophysiological responses, interpersonal violence, and morbid jealousy. Personality and Social Psychology Review, 7(2), 102-128.

Emily.marie94 (talk) 12:39, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

PS364 Article edit
Myself, NicoleHyare and MShahzad1 intend to edit this article, focusing on sexual jealousy in humans; We plan to edit the current headings and the following information;
 * Sexual jealousy in females
 * Sexual jealousy in males
 * Explanations
 * Cross-cultural differences
 * Conclusion.

We will also edit the introduction and simplify the current content on the page. If any other groups from PS364 would like to edit this article as well, please coordinate with us - we may change what we intend to do. Emily.marie94 (talk) 15:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Sources to use
I plan on adding something about sperm competition and the evolution of sexual jealousy as an adaptation. The source for this information is a book chapter on sperm competition and the evolution of sexual jealousy. I also plan on using this article which is a review of the current literature on sperm competition. More importantly, I will relate this to male sexual jealousy, since there is already an article on Sperm competition. Further sources I plan on using are a review of the sex differences (paying particular attention to males, whilst my group members can take the female focus). This source will also be useful for our introduction. This book by David Buss written in 2000 will also be useful to the group. This meta-analysis provides a comprehensive review of sex-differences in jealousy and will also be useful for our topic.

nicolehyare (talk) 09:32, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Proposed bibliography additions
I plan to focus on cross cultural differences in sexual jealousy, how these compare between men and women and how different explanations can be used to support these differences. This will be done using the following references and more:

Wood, W., & Eagly, A. H. (2002). A cross-cultural analysis of the behavior of women and men: implications for the origins of sex differences. Psychological bulletin, 128(5), 699.

Buunk, B., & Hupka, R. B. (1987). Cross‐cultural differences in the elicitation of sexual jealousy. Journal of sex research, 23(1), 12-22.

Geary, D. C., Rumsey, M., Bow-Thomas, C. C., & Hoard, M. K. (1995). Sexual jealousy as a facultative trait: Evidence from the pattern of sex differences in adults from China and the United States. Ethology and Sociobiology, 16(5), 355-383.

Hupka, R. B., & Ryan, J. M. (1990). The cultural contribution to jealousy: Cross-cultural aggression in sexual jealousy situations. Cross-Cultural Research, 24(1-4), 51-71.

Burbank, V. K. (1987). Female aggression in cross-cultural perspective. Cross-Cultural Research, 21(1-4), 70-100.

Wiederman, M. W., & Allgeier, E. R. (1993). Gender differences in sexual jealousy: Adaptionist or social learning explanation?. Ethology and Sociobiology, 14(2), 115-140.

Mshahzad1 (talk) 21:53, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Edits
I have edited and added content to the heading "Male sexual jealousy". nicolehyare (talk) 11:31, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Peer Review
I will be addressing the section entitled 'Cross Cultural Differences'

Overall, the base content here is really well chosen and appropriate for the article you have chosen to expand. For the final draft I would just suggest adapting your style into more flowing prose as it is currently difficult to read in some places (This may already be your intention - sorry if it is!) For instance, in the 'Evocation of Sexual Jealousy' section, you could join the studies findings into a couple of sentences. Alternatively, adding a separate sub-heading for the studies findings, or adding bullet points, would mean you could still separate out the findings for each country on different lines as you have done. Whilst copy-editing, I will leave these parts (i.e. with colons and numberings) unchanged so that you can alter them as you wish. Additionally, whilst your points throughout are good, you could work on linking your paragraphs more within each subheading.

I like how you have explicitly states that sexual jealousy is mediated by culture regardless of sexuality. However, this statement (reference number 35) may be more appropriate in the lead into your cross-cultural differences section.

In the evolutionary psychological model paragraph, you could consider contrasting the factors that liberal cultures give weight too, with another more conservative culture. This would add weight to your claim that different weighting are given to triggers of sexual jealousy cross-culturally.

In regards to the paternity certainty paragraph, it would be good to define paternity certainty for readers who don't have any background knowledge. A restructuring of the sentence beginning 'in 'natural fertility countries' may also be necessary, as its message is a little unclear currently. Psuncv (talk) 16:15, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Peer Review II
The edits to this article so far have made a great addition. I just have a few feedback comments after reading through the article:


 * Be sure to carefully check over edits before posting as some sentences did not fit together properly/random full stops or articles starting as if in the middle of a sentence. I have gone through and tried to copy-edit any such mistakes I found.
 * The male sexual jealousy paragraph seems to run as more of an explanation rather than just a description of what it is – could these explanations be integrated into the Explanations section, as some of them are already repeated in the Explanations section anyway? Maybe writing it in a similar style as the female sexual jealousy section, with the different types of jealousy a male might display, examples and research.
 * The Explanations section adds a lot of really good information to the article. Could you possibly add another sub-section to this outlining where the explanations cross over in terms of similarities? And maybe any research that combines the two explanations form a nature-nurture kind of perspective (if such research exists)?

Hope these suggestions help! JS.Chester (talk) 16:33, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi JS.Chester, thanks for your useful suggestions! I am editing the male sexual jealousy section and I am currently working on the final piece in my sandbox...working on exactly what you said :) Thanks for the feedback. nicolehyare (talk) 08:42, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Peer Review PS364
These comments refer to the section "Predictors of sexual jealousy"
 * I have made a few copy edits of spelling etc, but generally not much to correct on this front. Reads well.
 * This section is generally clear and concise. Under the attachment heading: Consider briefly defining what is meant by attachment and the attachment styles mentioned, maybe just a brief "i.e." in brackets would suffice, just for readers who are maybe unfamiliar with this in order to clarify how this is related to sexual jealousy.
 * There are several statements in this section without citations, and it is not clear where this information is from. I have added where these are required.

Hope this helps.

Tesjh27 (talk) 22:04, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will make the changes on attachment that you have recommended and I have added the citations where you indicated. Emily.marie94 (talk) 20:30, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Peer Review
The following notes address the section entitled ‘Explanations’

Overall, a great job. You manage to sum up a lot of information concisely. My group have found it difficult to write consciously about evolutionary theory as it is easy to spend a lot of words just giving background theory before getting to the point.

a) I have attempted to clean up the intro paragraph. I have just cut a few words that I don’t feel are needed.

Theories have been proposed in order to explain human sexual jealousy as well as the gender differences in human sexual jealousy. These theories also give reason for the observed variation in the degree to which people experience sexual jealousy.

(Evolutionary psychology perspective)

b) Maybe worth explaining WHY males want to ensure that they are not being cuckolded (e.g., the father does not invest resources into a child that is not genetically his). c) May also want to give a bit of background as to why there are gender differences in reproductive values. (e.g., males can produce many offspring whereas females can’t). d) The final sentence within this section does not relate easily to sexual jealously. Males and females are described as being ‘upset’ rather than being jealous. Maybe make this a little more topic relevant and relate back to jealousy. e) you may also want to change this final sentence from:

The evolutionary psychology perspective thus supports the evidence that suggests men are more upset by sexual infidelity, whereas women are more upset by emotional fidelity.

to..

The evolutionary psychology perspective has been supported by (whatever study) in which observed that male sexual jealousy is triggered by sexual infidelity, whereas female sexual jealousy was found to be triggered by emotional infidelity. Concluding that sexual jealousy may be an adaptive function in which is triggered in order to retain access to a valuable mate.

(Social- cognitive perspective)

a) maybe open this section with ‘the social cognitive perspective suggests that there are no inherent evolutionary induced gender differences’: just so the reader knows where to stand. b) you use the word ‘upset’ again; maybe change to jealous just because being upset and being jealous mean different things for this topic. Charleywoltynski (talk) 10:01, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your detailed feedback and suggestions!!! Really appreciate it. nicolehyare (talk) 12:38, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have made many of the changes that you recommended. Emily.marie94 (talk) 20:28, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Please resolve basic issues.
Despite the enthusiastic cheerleading peer reviews, I found a constellation of problems in the first few words of this article. For starters: Being as the article springs from such overreach, I'm led to suspect that there is further unfounded conjecture. Weeb Dingle (talk) 05:10, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It is stated that Sexual jealousy is… present in animals. The third sentence claims that The concept is studied in human and non-human primates, the only appearance of "primate," and that is the last time that non-human animals are even mentioned.
 * The second sentence begins It is founded on the instinct of keeping genes in the gene pool yet "instinct" never reappears in the article.
 * Of those three claims, none has a substantiating citation.
 * None of those claims is clearly supported in the subsequent article.
 * Given that human beings are a limited case of primates, and primates are a limited case of "animals that reproduce through internal fertilization," the article title is misleading. The title ought to be changed to something like Sexual jealousy in humans.
 * Feel free to clean up any issues, of course. Regarding the title, when it's the case that a topic is human-dominated in the literature, the article is usually going to be mostly about humans. The article might have a section on other animals lower. In the case of anatomy and medical articles, for example, we include an "Other animals" section; see WP:MEDSECTIONS. If enough material exists for non-human animals, then that topic might also get its own article, such as Pregnancy (mammals). If this article were moved to "Sexual jealousy in humans," "sexual jealously" would still redirect here unless a distinct Sexual jealously article could be made or unless it were turned into a WP:Disambiguation page. But WP:Primary topic, a disambiguation page wouldn't be the best choice because the vast majority of readers would be looking for the human aspect of the topic. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:13, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Another point. The implicit case seems to be made by the article that homosexuals (of whatever gender) do not experience sexual jealousy, seeing as they have no interest at all in seeking reproductive mates. (In similar fashion, I can infer that homosexuals apparently have no problem at all with adultery. I'm momentarily trying to unsnarl the gender-preference hairball over at Infidelity.) Weeb Dingle (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Pain
The first sentence of the article links to a more general article on jealousy, but does not mention the most salient feature of sexual jealousy - psychological pain (to which this article should link). Furthermore nowhere else in the article is the pain element mentioned. The article does discuss observable behavioral responses to this pain, but not the pain itself, This may be because behavior is observable and pain is not, except insofar as it triggers behavior. This might be a wise choice but it does represent a bias in the article, which should perhaps point out that the "pain" aspect of jealousy hss been omitted because it is not "objective". However, most people would consider pain to exist, even though it's "only" psychological and not directly observable. Indeed, pleasure and pain are the main drivers of human behavior. To put this in perspective, consider a hypothetical article on "skin burn" that instead of mentioning the associated pain, says only "skin burns trigger behaviors such as application of bandages and analgesic ointments". Paulhummerman (talk) 08:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)