Talk:Sharon Newman

Newman or Abbott?
If the "Common name" thing is such a big deal, why is this article entitled "Sharon Abbott" and not "Sharon Newman" when "Sharon Newman" is her common name, a name she carried for nearly 11 years until she suddenly married Jack Abbott! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.28.110 (talk) 06:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, Sharon has been referred to as "Sharon Newman" for years, but as soon as she married Jack Abbott it was a different story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AugustAugust (talk • contribs) 19:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, whenever Sharon and Jack split, Sharon will be reverted back to Sharon Newman! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.133.58.107 (talk) 05:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep Sharon Abbott as the title. If she ever divorces Jack, we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Kogsquinge (talk) 07:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I know what is going to happen here, the issue of "Sharon Abbott" vs "Sharon Newman" vs "Sharon Collins"!! Before you ALL get into this crap let me state that wikipedia goes by a common name standard, thus solving the problem. Sharon is known as "Sharon Newman" (search google or log onto CBS.com) if and when she divorces Jack, it will NOT be (Sharon Abbott) or (Sharon Collins) a name she rarely uses!! Also more proof exist in the simple fact, Sharon went by "Sharon Newman" for over 10 years on the story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.85.219 (talk) 20:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Sharon and Jack are now divorced so can the mane be reverted back to Sharon Newman?Sparrowhawk7 (talk) 19:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

VOTE! Newman or Abbott??
I thank I agree with the unsigned, she's been "Sharon Newman" way longer than shes been (Sharon Abbott) or (Sharon Collins). I vote Sharon Newman or at least Sharon Collins Newman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AugustAugust (talk • contribs) 09:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Comman Name
Sharon's page should have as it Newman and not Abbott because she had been knowing for the longest as this show than as Newman.--M42380 (talk) 02:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Sharon's page never should have been moved away from Sharon Newman.Rocksey (talk) 03:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Requested move
Move Parsecboy (talk) 00:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Sharon Abbott → Sharon Newman — Sharon Newman is the character's common name. — Rocksey (talk) 05:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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Husband ..Adam Wilson or Victor Newman, Jr.???
His legal name is "Victor Newman, Jr." according to the reverend on the December 28th episode when they married. Her name is Sharon Newman seeing as how she's not "Sharon Wilson" so shouldn't it be listed she's married to Victor Newman, Jr. not Adam Wilson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.94.131.250 (talk) 09:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I changed the article back to Sharon Newman from Sharon Wilson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AugustAugust (talk • contribs) 04:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Victor & Sharon?
Hi. I'm 2 episodes behind. Are Victor & Sharon married? I've only heard rumors. Can someone provide a a valid source?  Soap Jar 21  Talk To Me 05:48, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * According to today's episode, Victor proposed. No marriage, yet. Musicfreak7676 (talk) 20:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes - but also are they officially engaged? From what i saw, she didn't actually accept; just took the ring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoapJar21 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox
I have some suggestion for improvement. The occupation is quite long. Looking at FA article Poppy Meadow you may notice that her job titles are simplified to the generic job title. I think this would benefit adopting this style. If Sharon has owned businesses then "business woman" would be a suitable replacement and in brackets the relevant years. It is just a matter of being concise.

I also noticed that there is the unfortunate case of a still born baby, now we do not normally include them. Essentially they are not characters, they are plot devices and without having a name to put to the object, well it comes off as a little clumsy and something you'd typically find on your average soap fan site.

Is gender really detrimental to the article though. I think it is fairly obvious that she is female. I find this field useful for androgynous characters. Rain  the 1  00:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right. It's an issue with U.S. soap articles. Exactly. I always thought it was stupid that it said "Gender: Female" it's already clarified. I can remove student but as for the rest I'm not too sure. I will also rm the stillborn baby, you're right, it isn't a character. The thing is I wouldn't clarify her as a businesswoman. She co-owns Cassie's Challenge, a benefit for her daughter but other than that she owns nothing else. What if I change it to: Owner of Crimson Lights, Spokeswoman (2004-07), Restless Style co-founder (2008) and her jobs from 2012?  Ar  re   05:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * After having a look at Poppy's page, it's easier in situations like that. However it's a bit difficult for longer running characters, especially for 18+ years. Ar  re   05:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Poppy! :D Yes, the infobox was a bit long, but looks better now! — M.Mario  (T/C) 18:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks good writing them as you did with "Spokeswoman (2004–08)" - You could carry on with..


 * Jabot Cosmetics Intern (1995–96) - Intern (1995–96) or Student (1995–96)

Co-owner of Crimson Lights Coffeehouse (2001–05) - Coffeehouse owner (2001–05) or Coffeehouse co-owner (2001–05)


 * Or I do know that Ken Barlow adopted a unique style of listing current role and previous ones after. Sharon could be her current role (previously student, spokeswoman, etc.) I am slightly confused though; I got the impression from the info box that she has been an active business woman. It says that she has owned two businesses or organisations - and co-founded a style company. Think of it like J-lo's info box - you say she is an actress, singer, fashion designer etc - but not an actress in several films, a singer of so many songs, a fashion designer of this clothing range and that clothing range etc. So just think of Sharon as the same - she is "this, this and this" but not "this working at this place, and that working at that place". You can see for yourself which of the two are long winded.


 * Maybe I have brought to many other topics into this. And hey, let’s not forget you have created what could be considered as the best article on a daytime soap character. But that is because you have actively listened and taken on-board advice previously from editors and improved the standard. So please take this as constructive, after all they are only small issues - it is when they are big when it is time to worry.21:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you both. I'll alter the occupations. Thanks for the advice. Ar  re   00:57, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh and thankyou for saying that, it's very nice of you. Todd Manning is a good article other than him I don't know of many good articles within the scope of U.S. Soap operas so it would be really nice for Sharon to be next. I value anything you say Rain, you are the one that taught me basically how to do stuff on here anyway:) Ar  re   01:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * K, sorry for another message but I've adjusted the occupations in the info-box. Since 2009, Sharon has worked on-and-off with Newman enterprises for their cosmetics division after being offered a job in Jan. 2009 by Victor Newman. Plus, she started (co-develops) a consolidated line earlier this year and was CEO, so I wrote businesswoman for all of that. What do you think? Ar  re   01:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * CEO is a separate job title/role (I think), so I'd include that separately. The rest sounds fine though. Rain  the 1  01:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. So should I just write CEO or CEO of Newman Enterprises? Ar  re   03:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just CEO. Rain  the 1  03:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Split

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A few editors have opinionated that the character development section of this article is rather lengthy and instead of condensing it, it should be moved to its own article titled Character development of Sharon Newman. I think it would be good but I still have a few concerns and want opinions about this. Ar re   14:57, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, Sharon's development section is quite lengthy. I suppose moving it to its own separate page would be good.  Creativity  97  15:01, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I would support whatever you guys think is best here but just wanted to add that I don't think it has to be separate, Todd Manning is quite lengthy, although has more subsections I guess. I do think though, that when character development gets this in depth, it can be helpful to move storylines ahead of the section, so the reader gets the brief background before delving into each piece, rather than reading the full plot summary again after. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 17:02, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose: Character articles get lengthy, YES, but in my opinion dividing the article would just make things a bit too complicated. When one goes to a character's article, they expect to see all the information provided about that character, within the article. I think just giving the article the appropriate subsections would be fine; but separating the article into two, NO.--Nk3play2 my buzz 17:41, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I support the idea of a split. The section is way too long compared with the other sections and the topic is well defined. — ΛΧΣ  21  17:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * While I think it would be good I do agree with Kelly, Todd's article is a GA and is even longer than Sharon's. The storylines used to be infront of all of that but I moved it. It didn't flow right... idk... Ar  re   18:36, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I oppose this change - keep it as one. It is the standard for the character development section to be longer than the others. The sections flow quite well and I am sure the general reader will not be confused. I think the length of the individual subsections within the character development section are acceptable. Rain  the 1  23:52, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Split into separate article, and have a couple paragraph summary in this article.  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 22:12, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose Should this be split into two separate articles, there is absolutely no chance the new "character development" article would survive an AfD. The article isn't too long, and I can see no reason for this to be split out. This type of content fork isn't necessary. AniMate 05:06, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


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