Talk:Sisimiut

Sisimiut is the northermost spot in Greenland.

Akamalik lies here
The very big fishing ship Akamalik lies here, at least accordning to swedish tv. Should be mentioned, and Akamalik should also have a page of its own. See for example
 * https://exchange.dnv.com/Exchange/Main.aspx?EXTool=Vessel&VesselID=22089
 * http://www.jtashipphoto.dk/A-N/Akamalik/JTA-Akamalik.htm --Mats33 (talk) 22:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Misleading population graph
The graph File:Sisimiut-population-dynamics.png is currently misleading, or more specifically violating recommendations in WP:GRAPH, in particular Don't draw misleading graphs. For instance, due to incorrect origin of y-axis, the graphics "fools" the reader by indicating that population sunk by 50% from 1993 to 1994, while according to the numbers the fluctuation was less than 1%. Oceanh (talk) 13:59, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is misleading. The changes in population are small, and it is these small variations that are of interest, for all settlements in Greenland. A graph with the y-axis starting from 0 would be useless for all of them. I can add the y-axis label though. — Algkalv (talk) 20:59, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for response and for your arguments. As I am not an expert on demographics I can not take part in discussions on that subject. If this type of graph is a standard and widely accepted way to present population growth, then it is probably "ok", provided a cited reference to the adopted method or practice is given. If it is not, I would recommend to avoid introducton of new or nonstandard graphical presentations in violation of WP:GRAPH. Oceanh (talk) 13:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Every single bar is supplied with a number. Had I included only the axis threshold label, then we might discuss issues. There is nothing wrong with this graph. Standard != axis at zero. — Algkalv (talk) 13:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Merging short paragraphs
I don't know if you know but short paragraphs are frowned upon at GA and FA level. They disrupt the flow of the article. Paragraphs should be of reasonable length and comprehensive. It is not necessary to break everything down into tiny sections. Dr.  Blofeld  21:18, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * While some of the sections can be combined (Europeans with Colonial Era, and Municipal center section removed), it is wrong to dump the entire history text into one gargantuan section. These are very different eras, and artificial joining of the sections does not help in any way. Please provide a pointer to GA requirement that there should be no subsections. The current era subsections are long enough on their own. — Algkalv (talk) 21:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Featured articles like Washington, D.C. have "gargantuan" history sections, although its history is relatively much shorter. Yes my main concern was the one liner Europeans section. Merge that with the Colonial sera that would be better.. Dr.  Blofeld  21:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * That example is not useful. This isn't even close to a featured article, and in all likelihood will never be, simply due to the subject matter. Again, there is nothing in GA guidelines to indicate this sort of mergning. Also, remember that there is a difference between an article about a village and an article about London. There is even a wikipedia essay about that. It's called scope. If you support the merges outlined above, let's do it. It will improve the article. — Algkalv (talk) 21:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Good articles like Chamba, Himachal Pradesh are hardly big cities. Dr.  Blofeld  21:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Again, please provide a hard guideline, because for any example, there is a counterexample. I explained above why merging long paragraphs for very different eras is harmful. — Algkalv (talk) 21:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Just avoid one line paragraphs is all I'm saying. Dr.  Blofeld  21:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. — Algkalv (talk) 21:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

That's a big improvement. I don't have a problem with sub sections provided they are relatively balanced and paragraphs rather than sentences. I would recommend either fleshing the sub sections to the Economy section out or merging them also. I just want to ensure that these articles pass and I think they can with minimal work.... I just require a little freedom to try to improve the article without being reverted 3o seconds after changing it that's all. Have faith in me is all I'm saying.  Dr.  Blofeld  21:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

The population figure needs a ref though... Dr.  Blofeld  21:51, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Good work with the economy section, article looks stronger already. The biggest weakness now is the short climate section.  Dr.  Blofeld  21:53, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you combine the two celebrations photos into a right-aligned multiphoto as in this revision? (though then the vertical would need to go, as it would be a dupe) — Algkalv (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, the lead should not have citations per wp:lead. The population section contains a ref. It would be better if the ref was moved to the infobox. — Algkalv (talk) 21:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure, move the citation to pop in infobox. Yes aline the double photo, damn I forgot how to do a stack image one on top of the other... I've begun expanding the climate section. It needs doubling in length I think, perhaps more about seasonal winds etc. Also the last paragraph to geography needs more text. Dr.  Blofeld  22:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok. More climate is good, if you can find references (I found them hard to find). Will do the lead and the image stack. Btw, please add edit summaries for your edits; it's a lot clearer then, and not just me, but anyone who looks at history. Particularly at that stage in the article age. — Algkalv (talk) 22:08, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

OK. I'm off now but some recommendations. Housing should be merged into pop section which should be renamed Demographics. Education should be seperate from economy.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  22:17, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. — Algkalv (talk) 22:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Starting to look better now. I discovered http://www.clim-atic.org/documents/2010%20docs/Biogas%2520Production%2520from%2520the%2520waste%2520of%2520the%2520shrimp%2520manufacture.pdf. Could you use it to write a section on Environment/concerns?<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  10:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware of any environmental concerns, so it's best that you add that section/subsection. Also, there is a number of mostly minor issues with the latest additions. I'll address them later. — Algkalv (talk) 10:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

You are not an easy man to please sir.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  10:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know what that's supposed to mean. The content you add is subject to the same scrutiny as mine, or anyone else's. — Algkalv (talk) 10:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It's looking better, is it not?<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  14:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Absolutely. — Algkalv (talk) 15:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

That does mean a lot, I thought you were not happy with me editing it. Does Sisimiut have a local newspaper. I found a mention of a radio station http://www.sistus.gl/page.asp?content=program&lang=dk but I don't know if we can write enough for a media section.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  15:56, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Probably not, as nearly all, and all notable outlets and orgs are Nuuk-based. — Algkalv (talk) 15:58, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

One of my geo needs as a reader is to see where the town is located in relation to the capital of Nuuk. I was wondering if we could introduce File:Grenland CIA map PL.gif or something similar to the top right of the geo section and move the current photo down a bit to the left? You could modify a map of course just to show Sisimiut and Nuuk. I think it is needed though. What do you think? Yeah i saw somewhere the distance is "321 km" but then falling rain said 173 miles. What a shoddy site that is!!! Thanks for verifying the 320.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  16:17, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The proposed map is not very good. A small location map that shows Nuuk near the southern extremity, and Sisimiut near the northern extremity can be crafted, but that requires substantial work to produce if this is to be a quality product − a matter of several days or longer. I'd say that's something to keep in a to-do list for later. It's not a ga requirement, but I agree it would be nice.

Fallingrain should be erased from the surface of this globe. — Algkalv (talk) 16:25, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that map is crap I know, I was thinking actually more like your map with just Nuuk and Sisimiut marked, Hey did you know I actually put falling rain on the proposed black list but it still hasn't been erased. That was at least 9 months ago.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  16:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Alignment
Per WP:Images, the images should be on the right, unless there are expceptional circumstances, and a lot of text to support such special alignment. In the case of transport in this article, there isn't. — Algkalv (talk) 16:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not bothered either way, but four images in succession on the right looked odd. Oh, also there is inconsistency in fullstops in the image captions. It needs to be consistent one way or the other.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  16:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, there are too many images in the transport section, which will be raised as an issue. Four is indeed too many. The airport has its own article, and the heliport photo can easily be removed from this article; I believe it should.

As to the dots, if the caption is a proper sentence, it should include a dot, otherwise, it shouldn't, from what I've read. I have not checked all captions. — Algkalv (talk) 16:43, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Much better. Looks almost perfect now. I'd also get rid of the Taseralik photo. For some settings available in Wikipedia, it will overlap the section below. Would you agree with a removal? — Algkalv (talk) 16:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, remove it the overlap looked ugly, the preak I tried was even worse. . Up to you whether you want to remove the new photo I added of tourists I'm not too keen of it I wanted to see what it looked like.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  17:06, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * My personal opinion is that it's low quality, and doesn't really add anything to the article... I think two images in that section are fine. I could upload a museum photo though. — Algkalv (talk) 17:10, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. OK just the sign will do. If you do have another photo of the musejm/local crafts or anyting that would be good.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  17:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I have photos of the sculptures (all kinds), but any upload would be a copyvio. I can only upload the building itself. — Algkalv (talk) 17:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

That's a pity. Yeah let's see the building. If you have any photos of sealskin items/crafts this would be good this photo would be nice.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  17:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't. I also think any more images would be overdoing it, again per wp:images. — Algkalv (talk) 17:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Except for one image of the aerial. I think that is essential to go at the beginning of the geography.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  17:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think the first photo in that section gives a good overview of the town environment already. — Algkalv (talk) 17:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Well it is poor quality, I agree, never mind.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  17:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * To sum up, I think the article has been much improved. Another pair of eyes than ours would be beneficial at this stage. — Algkalv (talk) 17:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Almost. Climate and Demographics need fleshing out a bit... I think the geo distance is very important in the intro as it immediately gives the reader an idea of where it is in relation to the largest town in Greenland. just saying it is on the Davis Strait isn't helpful enough in my view. It looks fine now I think. <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  17:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Agree on distance. I think demo and climate sections are good as they are, and more than sufficient for ga level. Expansion is always good though. One of the reqs for ga is article stability. We're there, I think, but what would be good now is a hunt for typos, colloquialisms, etc. Preferably from a so inclined editor who has not been involved. The famed another pair of eyes trained on the detail. — Algkalv (talk) 18:25, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Well there can be such a thing as "overediting". I did ask Nvvchar to see if he could scrape together some info on utlilities/culture which will be interesting to see. But I've finished working on this until the review now. I created Template:Sisimiut which needs filling. I started a restaurant but I'll move on to my other work now. Air Greenland looks good enough already to me, most of the "issues" in the past GA reviews were almost entirely aesthetic issues. <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  18:32, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * We're in agreement then. Thank you for your work on the article, regardless of ga nom as such. — Algkalv (talk) 18:37, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks! I think between the two of us we know what we are doing and seem to agree on most of the changes that were made today which is promising, even if some of them intially seemed undesirable to each other. I await the GA review, its GA quality in my view. An FA on this town though would probably be virtually impossible unless somebody actually has some detailed books on the town. I want to take Nuuk to GA at some point but it needs a lot of work.<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.  <em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld  18:59, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Needs work
It is generally a very good article and the problems may have been introduced since the GA review above, but the colonial era section is very confusingly worded. It's not clear which settlement was the original Holsteinsborg or whether all of them were grouped under the term or whether they moved from one to the other, and in the current text there appear to be buildings constructed at the present site decades before it was settled. — LlywelynII  02:43, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free to make the changes you deem appropriate then!♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:20, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I do and will for the ones I fully understand (e.g., I added more info on the origin of Holsteinsborg); still, there's plenty I don't know (e.g., the Moravians raised a church in Neu-Herrnhut in 1747, so if anything this is the oldest surviving church; but even that seems dubious: the Moravian Brethren Mission House is still around; so what is the legitimate title? Oldest Lutheran church? Oldest church still in use? No idea). I can still tell that someone should fix it if they know better. Hence, the talk page bit.


 * edit: Well, there's one mystery solved. Oldest surviving church proper. — LlywelynII  11:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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