Talk:Srubnaya culture

Incorrect name
Note that the correct Russian name for a timber construction is srub and nothing else. It is incorrect to take the truncated adjective. HJJHolm (talk) 09:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Further: Either both, Yamnaya / Srubnaya, OR, Yamna / Srubna, OR, Yama / Srub. I meanwhile favor the full native forms, because the translations often do not make sense. E.g. "pit grave" is a kind of tautology, and gives no hint to the geography or original language of nomination. I hope the archaeologists feeling responsible for these articles eventually grasp that. Thank you. 2A02:8108:9640:AC3:3054:144F:5565:6347 (talk) 05:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 15 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move as proposed. I sanity-checked the NGRAMS link - it's convincing. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 20:26, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Srubna culture → Srubnaya culture – Unclear why it was renamed from it's original "Srubnaya culture". Google NGRAM registers multiple usages of "Srubnaya culture" and doesn't register "Srubna culture" at all. Google scholar mentions 232 articles that mention "Srubnaya culture" and 65 "Srubna culture". Many of these appear to come from Ukrainian articles )9/10 on the first page of search results) too. Regular google registers 20600 pages that mention "srubnaya culture" and 11600 pages that mention "srubna culture" IT appears to me the renaming was done as a POV edit to push a particular (Ukrainian language-derived) form of spelling on Wikipedia. 217.118.79.38 (talk) 18:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

--Relisting. 193.34.160.162 (talk) 01:47, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes, I've most often come across the culture as being named the "Srubnaya". It should be moved to that name. Same as with Yamnaya. --Hibernian (talk) 00:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


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Map
We should have a map of the extent of the Srubnaya culture. I believe J. P. Mallory printed one in his book Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture. Krakkos (talk) 13:12, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Cruel grammar and style
Not only the "Genetics" paragraph here is cruelly written: Passive voice, hidden Subject name, ... 95.90.202.94 (talk) 07:10, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I removed some more redundancies and corrected the passive voice. 2A02:8108:9640:AC3:59F3:9629:F65C:25AB (talk) 08:27, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

"A 2017 genetic study published in Scientific Reports" is a cruel, unscientific style, hyding the deciding, due, and usual citation of the author (and year).2A02:8108:9640:AC3:59F3:9629:F65C:25AB (talk) 08:38, 5 January 2021 (UTC) The bottom paragraph of the "Genetics" chapter ("2018") lacks the source at all, because obviously not the cited Narasimshan (2019). Completely confused!

Genetics
Thanks for uploading the genetic results. Regrettably, the writer overlooked that nearly all of his copied examples overlap each other (e.g., I0361,0430,0424,0232,0233), because Narasimshan includes the Mathieson results.HJJHolm (talk) 09:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Update information: In total, we (state april, 2022) have 17 analyses of Srubnaya, plus 13 analyses of Srubnaya-Alakul, A L L  radiocarbon dated between 2000 and 1500 BC, which makes the time limits cited obsolete.HJHolm (talk) 14:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Suggested translation from ru.wikipedia
An evaluation of the ru.wiki article would be very welcome, however, not e mere translation, because the sources there are as old as those here, and the extreme research history in both the intro and a seperate para are not wanted. Essential authors appear anyway with their results.HJHolm (talk) 07:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Language
"Its area, which coincides with the presence of Iranian hydronyms" < Wrong! Hydronyms are neither normally nor neccessarily four millennia old, but rather here (re)named by the Scythians far in AD!HJHolm (talk) 08:16, 2 April 2022 (UTC)