Talk:Star Wars Rebels/Archive 1

Lux Bonteri
In the article is says that Lux Bonteri is in the series as Ashoka Tano's husband and Senator of Onderon. Can someone provide reference? I did not see this in the series and have not been able to find any supporting material to suggest this either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2EC9:9D90:882B:FC6:8029:5FEE (talk) 17:18, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Kenny Baker
In the cast list there is a line that says Kenny Baker will reprise his role as R2D2. How will this be done? In most of the live action films Baker did some of the movements for the robot prop, but he did not do the voice which was supplied in post production by sound designer, Ben Burtt. In an animated series like SW Rebels, I don't see how he can participate as a voice actor for the part of R2D2 —a non speaking part.

A quick Google search does not seem to reveal any press release from Lucasfilm or Disney on the issue, nor is there any listing for SW Rebels on Baker's IMDB profile, however it does mention that he will be participating in Star Wars Episode VII. Further, this wiki article does not have a citation for the supposed inclusion of Baker in the series cast.

My feeling is that this should be removed until there is confirmation from a reliable source such as an official media release from Disney/Lucasfilm or a write up about the series from a reputable news source. Codymr (talk) 00:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Short films
How should these be added here? As the first episodes, outside of any official seasons? Or in their own section? Any ideas? - adamstom97 (talk) 08:00, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Spark of Rebellion made available early
Should this be mentioned somewhere, that before the official premiere on oct 3, they have released this via the DisneyXD app http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Star-Wars-Rebels-Take-Over-Your-Galaxy-Earlier-Than-Expected-67525.html 98.243.94.83 (talk) 18:41, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Star Wars Rebels premiered in Germany in different cinemas yesterday. See: http://www.disney.de/kinopreview/index.php 77.2.204.71 (talk) 15:35, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Star Wars low importance?
I realize this isn't exactly Episode VII important, but since this show is the first canon thing produced by Disney in the Star Wars universe, I personally think it should be mid-importance. However, I'm not a member of the WikiProject, so it's possible there's a reason for the low importance. Any thoughts? Luthien22 (talk) 02:04, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

James Earl Jones/Darth Vader in Premiere?
There's some discourse as to his appearance. Many people, especially outside of the US are saying that there is no scene where Jones' voice makes an appearance. I've watched it myself and can't recall hearing him anywhere either.

There's talk that he's being spliced in on the re-runs, or maybe a DVD exclusive, but my point is that he shouldn't be listed as making an appearance in the premiere episode if in fact that is not the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-kun (talk • contribs) 22:18, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Read the article before speculating about what it says next time. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * it's appeared in reliable sources (eg. the official Star Wars website) that Darth Vader makes an appearance in the extended version of the premiere, which will air/aired on ABC. Luthien22 (talk) 17:53, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Luthien22 for being a little more courteous than the other guy. While I understand it comes from an official source, that other guy is very adamant about hiding wikipedia references to actors (particularly non-main cast) until they actually make their appearances. The fact that a version has already aired without JEJ means that until the ABC version actually airs, for all we know his appearance might not even happen until a DVD release. I personally can't recall the last time a segment in a TV show was exclusive to one channel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-kun (talk • contribs) 09:04, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * If I am the 'other guy' you are referring to, than I apologise for my previous comment, though I am serious about what I said, and I would ask if you could refrain from personal attacks. We all just want to help here. Now, I don't know what you mean by hiding references. That really doesn't make any sense to me. As for the JEJ info, we have a reliable source (one of the creators of the show) explicitly stating that it is going to happen, so it belongs in the article. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:11, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * A bit stale, but please assume good faith and avoid attacking other editors. Discuss issues in a civil manner and discuss any personal problems you might have Adamstom on his talk page. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 14 Shevat 5775 04:57, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

In America I have seen several times the scene with Darth Vader, in a holo-call talking to the Inquisitor. He tasks the Inquisitor to kill all "the children of the Force" because "they must not become Jedi". This confused me as the series insists there are Jedi remaining. It seems no one knows about the survival of Yoda or Ben Kenobi, though Kanan sees the hologram message Ben left at the end of the final prequel film. It lasts only a few seconds and now I can't find it at all, making me think it was somehow deleted on video-on-demand or else they are moving it around from episode to episode.21:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Episode Order
So according to Disney XD's schedule, the first two parter is episode 1, droid episode is 2, the last episode was 3, so on and so forth.....1rkhachatryan (talk) 08:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * On StarWars.com, SoR is not considered part of season 1, while DiD is listed as season 1 episode 1, and referred to in behind the scenes stuff as the season premiere. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Episode tables
I put SoR in the table with the shorts because it is outside of season 1, kind of like the pre-season before the show really started. I understand that some people thought it was a short or something, but now people could think it is a part of season 1, now that it is under the season 1 header. The way I had it before, there was no short or film header, just a table for stuff outside of the actual seasons. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


 * They way you had it set up lumped "SoR" in with the other shorts, particularly giving it the number 5.  Fifth what?  Fifth short?  I understand that it's not part of the first season, which is why I didn't include an episode number, but at least this way people won't think we've included it as another short.  For my mind the best solution, since "SoR" is its own entity separate from both the shorts and the season episodes, is to give it its own table, as was originally done, but this is apparently unsatisfactory to you as well so I created a compromise: it's not an ideal solution but I honestly think it's better this way than putting it in the table with the shorts. -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 09:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I combined the tables because I thought it was unnecessary to have them separate. My revision had everything that was not a part of a usual season together. There was no label saying shorts or film, and it was clearly stated above that there were four shorts and one movie released. If people can't understand that, then we should revert back to separate tables, but we can't put SoR under the season 1 header as it is now, because that is incorrect. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Outside opinion: it seems to me that SoR shouldn't be in either of the tables since it is a separate entity. Although the table containing the shorts doesn't explicitly say above it "shorts" in a header, it does say "Disney released four shorts and here they are". However, since having a third table with only one listing is a bit clunky, maybe the best solution would be to list SoR in the regular season 1 table, but have a note underneath it saying that it's technically not part of the season, but it functions as the first episode or something like that. Luthien22 (talk) 20:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that putting "SoR" in the table with the season one episodes is not ideal, but it's a lot better than putting it with the shorts. Unlike the shorts "SoR" was actually broadcast on television, not just something that was made available online.  The shorts were created as pre-release tidbits to whet the appetite for the premiere.  "SoR" is the premiere and putting the two together is inappropriate and incorrect. -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 21:06, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The three options are: make people think SoR is part of season 1; make people think SoR is not part of season 1 and somehow related to everything else that is not part of season 1; make people think SoR is not part of season 1 and not related to everything else that is not part of season 1. Of the three, having SoR in the season 1 section is by far the least appropriate and most incorrect. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Since there doesn't seem to be any more active commenting, I'm just going to move forward with option 2 as the middle choice, and add back the StarWars.com references for the numbering. If it doesn't work for someone, we can always resume discussions. Dancter (talk) 17:35, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The shorts were not only broadcast on television prior to the movie, but actually scheduled in some EPGs. That shouldn't be the point. Dancter (talk) 14:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I take issue with the notion that the numbering doesn't need sourcing. The fact that there has been so much back-and-forth reverting over it lately indicates that there needs to be some reference. The fact that an episode has aired doesn't not resolve its numbering. The episode number is not indicated in the actual episode, and the program guides I checked don't resolve it, either. I believe Tribune does note production codes, though, which only muddy the matter further. Most importantly, the article is relying on multiple sources that seemingly contradict the numbering being used, with no sources that actually affirm it. Dancter (talk) 23:10, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The numbering can be sourced (StarWars.com is probably best unless another reliable source gives the correct numbering), it's just the title and crew info that doesn't need sourcing once the episode has aired. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:15, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The purpose of my edit was for sourcing the episode number, but it is effectively the same as sourcing the title. StarWars.com coverage of the series trails the broadcasts somewhat, so it can only be used as a source for episodes that have already aired. Since that was deemed inappropriate, it becomes a bit harder to use the site to note the episode numbering. To the best of my knowledge, StarWars.com is the best resource we have at this point, though. Its revisions (corrections?) of the episode numbering can be actually be observed through the site history. Dancter (talk) 14:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I would assume that Disney XD, the actual network that airs the episodes would list the episodes correctly in their schedule....I wrote how they are numbering the episodes above in the previous section.1rkhachatryan (talk) 07:05, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Networks get it wrong all the time, and even air episodes in the wrong order sometimes. We need to go on what the producers and creative team say, as they are the ones who actually make the show. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:44, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Image?
I uploaded a non-free image of the characters to possibly use in the article. Should we use this image? Luthien22 (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, we won't really be able to get a free image of them, so I am happy for us to use it as long as that is what the consensus is. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:15, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Nobody commented against it, so it's going in. If anybody removes it, please state why in the edit summary. Luthien22 (talk) 21:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Proof and clarification along with confirmation of how many episodes of Star Wars Rebels: Season 1 there really are
I just found out yesterday from Lucasfilm's Matt Martin that Season 1 of Rebels is 16 episodes, but the actual first episode of the series is the 4 shorts and the second and third episode of Star Wars Rebels: Spark of Rebellion. Then, we get 13 regular episodes of Rebels throughout Season 1. So, this has to be a major editing change to the page of Star Wars Rebels with this shocking new information. Don't believe me that it's valid? Then, go to this link for proof: https://twitter.com/missingwords/status/533758965302063104. i
 * ... we already knew that. If you look at the production codes, it is clear that the shorts were produced as the first episode, the film was produced as the second and third episodes, and then the first episode of the first season was produced as the fourth episode. No "major editing change" required. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:25, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ...Sure you did, that's why after all this time it still doesn't say anywhere in the article that they add up to 16 episodes, effectively ignoring what the "Manager of Digital Content and Community Relations at Lucasfilm" has stated publicly about the episodes. It's actually not that clear at all, if it weren't for the "proof" comment above and the formula by the Lucasfilm manager I wouldn't have known to count number 13 as number 16, and it sure as heck would make more sense to me when I download them. Plus, the fact that he had to publish said formula should tell you something: "Shorts (1 ep) + Spark (2 eps) + 13 episodes = 16 episodes" In other words, according to Lucasfilms you have them numbered wrong. 24.79.36.94 (talk) 04:08, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If you look at the production codes, you will see that we did indeed already know this. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:29, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Episodes split
As far as I can tell, it is up to us when this happens, so could we discuss when we think we should make the move? I think we could do it now, seeing as how much episodes info we already have: we have a shorts table, a film table, a season 1 table, and early info on season 2. That is more than what most people have at this point in a series, I think. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? - adamstom97 (talk) 21:30, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * My personal rule is to wait until the first season is over before splitting into an LoE page. There's really no rush, but that's just what I do.  There's more content than usual here so it would probably be fine. -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 21:40, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind waiting till the first season ends. If that's what other guys are thinking, then we should probably just go with that. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:45, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Normally I'm in the camp to wait for the first season to end, but since the episode section's pretty bulky already, I don't oppose a move. That being said, if everybody else doesn't want to do it until then, I don't oppose that either. Luthien22 (talk) 17:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with waiting until the first season ends. There's no point in having a small article if the info can fit into the main one just fine. Dcbanners (talk) 20:13, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Star Wars Rebels Season 2 confirmed to be 22 episodes long in production code history
Season 2 is confirmed to be 22 episodes long, which includes Siege of Lothal, according to Pablo Hidalgo. Here's the link for proof and confirmation: https://www.facebook.com/infinata/posts/10153037474037085 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.109.138.19 (talk) 11:21, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Spark of Rebellion and The Siege of Lothal
On Starwars.com, The Siege of Lothal is listed as Season 2: Episodes 1-2. While Spark of Rebellion is not listed as Season 1: Episodes 1-2, it is treated as such on the Season 1 dvd and bluray. I recommend removing the "Films" sections and adding Spark of Rebellion to Season 1 as Episodes 1-2 and The Siege of Lothal to Season 2 as Episodes 1-2. This will make the page less confusing, and will reflect how the Star Wars Rebels production team actually treats the episodes. Source: http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels Aiorocks101 (talk) 19:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree. Especially "Siege of Lothal"; it was a special hour long season premier episode, but it is clearly part of season 2, and should not be listed separately. oknazevad (talk) 20:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Adamstom.97 for adding The Siege of Lothal to season 2. Aiorocks101 (talk) 19:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Characters Section is too Long
The character section on this page is way too long. I think at the very least the descriptions should be shortened or removed, and it's really not necessary to list every single character who's ever been in the show. Just the major recurring characters should suffice. 99.231.178.168 (talk) 06:20, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If consensus is that the character section is too long, it should be split off to a list of characters page, with just the main cast kept here. I think there should be more input here from others first though. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:14, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's a bad idea, actually. The section is getting pretty long, and includes many one shot characters. Keep the main cast and some of the major recurring ones, but move the full list to List of Star Wars Rebels characters. oknazevad (talk) 23:08, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Nika Futterman/Asajj Ventress edit
You said " I certainly hope no one is under the impression that this type of original research is acceptable" When I edited in that Asajj Ventress was dead by the time of star wars rebels, are you implying what I said was wrong? Because Her very OWN wiki page states as such. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asajj_Ventress#Novels


 * Nobody ever claimed she wasn't dead. The original research I was referring to was the speculation that she is the voice. Everything must be verifiable. We never speculate. DarkKnight2149 05:08, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Cast table
Cast tables at main TV series articles are deprecated according to WP:TVCAST (notice the only two options are for "list" format, not "table" format). Please refer to these discussions: September 2014, November 2014, and August 2015. The upshot of these discussions was that TV cast tables were deprecated at main TV series articles, but were still allowed at articles like List of Star Wars Rebels characters. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:17, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

"1977 Star Wars" vs. "A New Hope"
It has become debated as to whether or not the article's lead paragraph should refer to the chronologically-fourth film in the Star Wars franchise as "the original 1977 Star Wars" or as "Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope". As the film's earliest title was simply Star Wars, and since its article, as well as its sequels The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, are referred to without the revised "Episode" titling, I think that the film should be referred to as such here.

The argument is that Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith is referred to with "Episode" titling, yet that is because it has been named so since its theatrical release. "Episode IV"'s original title is simply Star Wars. – Matthew  - (talk) 14:47, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree. The Episode IV title didn't come until the re-release.  Dark Knight  2149  22:06, 10 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't know why the articles don't use the episode titles, since that is their official current name. By your logic, a person who changed their name, even a country, would still be addressed as their former name in official proceedings. The Episode numbering has been recognised by the world, so i can't see why they aren't being used here on wikipedia. But since that is what you've decided, i won't interfere.

Is there some theatrical release name rule that wikipedia is following btw?--Refuteku (talk) 23:20, 10 November 2016 (UTC)


 * See the move discussions linked at the top of Talk:Star Wars (film). While I would support moving the all the articles to their post-Special Edition names, I doubt anyone else will, seeing that they've had three discussions about moving it back to the name with the episode number, and every one of them failed.  —  Gestrid  ( talk ) 01:54, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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