Talk:Stephen Harper

RFC: Second longest PM from right of centre party
Which paragraph should "The longest-serving prime minister from a right-of-centre party since John A. Macdonald," be in? Option A has this fact in the first paragraph of the lead whereas option B has this fact in the fourth paragraph of the lead.

 Ak-eater06  (talk) 04:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC) Option C (remove)
 * Option A (version until May 15, 2022)
 * Option B (current version)

Survey

 * Option A - reasoning stated in discussion  Ak-eater06  (talk) 04:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Option B - Though I would argue that "a party with Conservative in the name" would be more accurate wording. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 05:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Option B - or even not at all.  It’s not that big a deal.  He is not the longest ever, even within his party, and it’s not something frequently said or making a functional difference to his life.  Cheers
 * Option C should not be here at all. This is not wording used in any academic publication to describe any conservative leader in this type of context. Should have been removed off the bat not and rfc as to where. Lot of cleanup needed in our PM articles and this could be a start. Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 00:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
I have opened this RfC due to debate on whether this fact should be included in the first paragraph. In my view, it is very notable that Harper was the longest-serving right-of-centre PM since John A. Macdonald due to the Liberals dominating Canadian politics for the entire 20th century (hence I think it should be included in the first paragraph). However, a user made a good point saying it doesn't fit MOS:LEADBIO, which is why I started this consensus to see what everyone thinks.  Ak-eater06  (talk) 04:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Any sources for wording in this context.... not a synthesis of sources? This isn't something academics word in this fashion..thus for sure shouldn't be in the lead. Conservative leader is what is used even in tertiary sources like us. Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 00:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Economic management
The original text is far too wordy and precise, if people want exact data they have the sources for that exact purpose (rewritten parts in brackets), remember that this is Wikipedia, not datapedia

<<During Harper's tenure, Canada had [ significant budgetary surpluses in 2006 and 2007 ]. Following the 2008 financial crisis, Canada ran deficits from 2008–2013. The deficit was $55.6 billion in 2009 and was gradually lowered [until 2014 when it was balanced with a surplus]. For the first 11 months of the 2015–2016 period, the federal government was on track for a $7.5 billion surplus. [] Following the 2015 federal election and a change in government, the 2015 fiscal year ended in a $1 billion deficit instead. In 2010, Canada had the lowest debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7 economies. The Economist magazine stated that Canada had come out the recession stronger than any other rich country in the G7. [ ]>>

Of course you might not completely agree but a rewrite is in order for at least some of that. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 01:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Only edit I have to the above.
 * recession of 2008-2016 2601:248:C000:3F:41AF:BA75:2DBE:F0B2 (talk) 05:43, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <<During Harper's tenure, Canada had significant budgetary surpluses in 2006 and 2007 . Following the 2008 financial crisis, Canada ran deficits from 2008–2013. The deficit was $55.6 billion in 2009 and was gradually lowered until 2014 when it was balanced with a surplus. For the first 11 months of the 2015–2016 period, the federal government was on track for a $7.5 billion surplus. Following the 2015 federal election and a change in government, the 2015 fiscal year ended in a $1 billion deficit instead. In 2010, Canada had the lowest debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7 economies. The Economist magazine stated that Canada had come out the recession of 2008-2016 stronger than any other rich country in the G7.>>
 * Any disagreements? I'll give it a week or two CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 23:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I strongly disagree. The more precise the better because it provides complete information about the government's economic management. You can not change it just because JJ McCullough said it.  Ak-eater06  (talk) 02:47, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree with you, the more percise the less it provides useful information, the overwhelming majority of users won't be gaining anything from something so pointlessly precise CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 19:32, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sidenote, what does a NJ senator have to do with this page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._McCullough CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 16:02, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's the orignial vs mine above, which sounds most enticing?
 * During Harper's tenure, Canada had budgetary surpluses in 2006 and 2007 of $13.8 and 9.6 billion respectively. Following the 2008 financial crisis, Canada ran deficits from 2008–2013. The deficit was $55.6 billion in 2009 and was gradually lowered to $5.2 billion in 2013. In 2014, the federal budget was balanced with a surplus of $1.9 billion. For the first 11 months of the 2015–2016 period, the federal government was on track for a $7.5 billion surplus. For 2015–2016, the federal government projected a $1.4-billion surplus. Following the 2015 federal election and a change in government, the 2015 fiscal year ended in a $1 billion deficit instead. In 2010, Canada had the lowest debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7 economies. The Economist magazine stated that Canada had come out the recession stronger than any other rich country in the G7. In 2013, Canada came out with Global Markets Action Plan to generate employment opportunities for Canadians. CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 16:04, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Harper as a member of the committee of 300
Stephen Harper is a member of the committee of 300. A significant part of his biography that is omitted. A part of such an entry should include what is the committee of 300 and how did Harper end up on it. 66.185.202.161 (talk) 20:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Preceded by John Key
The article currently lists John Key as preceding Stephen Harper. They must mean Jean Chretien.

Semi-protected, so I'm unable to edit, but this is a no brainer IMO. 198.2.78.141 (talk) 16:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * (Or I suppose it should be Paul Martin, but either way, it certainly isn't Mr. Key.) 198.2.78.141 (talk) 16:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Look more closely at the infobox. He was preceded by John Key as IDU chairman. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Right you are. Thanks for the correction! 198.2.78.141 (talk) 15:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)