Talk:Storm Eva

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File:Waterside Bar and Restaurant Summerseat - geograph.org.uk - 314912.jpg is the former mill at Summerseat, converted into a public house, that collapsed. Mjroots (talk) 23:21, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if helps or not, but I've just uploaded some photos from late yesterday of the water levels at the Manchester Ship canal to commons:Category:Storm Eva. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:36, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Eva and the subsequent Atlantic depression
Consideration should be given to separating the article on Storm Eva from that for the Lancashire and Yorkshire floods of 25-27 December 2015 as they were two separate events.

Storm Eva was named by Met Eireann and related to the low pressure area which brought strong winds to Ireland and parts of NW Scotland during the evening of 23 December 2015. The Met Office had a low impact yellow warning for wind in force for NW Scotland, but this did not meet the criteria for naming on its own. The associated frontal zone cleared the UK on 24 December by which time the low centre to which the name Eva had been applied had passed well to the north-east of the UK.

The Lancashire and Yorkshire floods were caused by the next weather system which included a wave depression and a stationary front resulting in large rainfall totals and floods. Although this weather system followed in the broad south-westerly flow which had also carried Storm Eva two days earlier and you could argue that there was a tentative frontal link to Storm Eva which was north of Norway by then, it would be difficult to argue that these are the same event.

It should be borne in mind that the Met Office and Met Eireann only name storms which have significant wind impacts and not rain. Hence the issue of a red warning for rain does not automatically trigger a name. Three weeks earlier Storm Desmond was named due to warnings for wind impacts expected over Ireland and NE England. It was co-incidental that the frontal system linked to the parent low also caused exceptional rain and the associated red warning over Cumbria. In this instance there was a direct link between the named storm and the flooding event and this was reflected in official communication from the Met Office.

However, in no official communication from the Met Office was the flooding event of 25-27 December referred to as Storm Eva. Even the news release about the red warning for rain made no mention of the name. The Met Office's official page on Storm Eva only refers to the wind event of 23-24 December. Thus the media's application of the name Eva to the flooding event two days later, whilst convenient for journalistic purposes, is inaccurate. Thus I would suggest the article on the flooding event should be separated from that for Storm Eva. In fact Eva, whilst having some impacts in Ireland and NW Scotland on the night of 23-24 December, may not even warrant its own article at all, but could be merged back into the main 2015–16 UK and Ireland windstorm season page.

Revelina (talk) 20:32, 27 December 2015 (UTC)Revelina

In light of Revelina's comments I think it would be advisable to move the flooding aspects to 2015 Great Britain and Ireland floods. I've stated on the Desmond talk page that I think the events we've seen are best described as flooding rather than as "wind storm" events which I think the Met Office have been clear are the subject of their naming project. As a side point, I don't think the title image depicts "Eva" at all, given it would be much further north.Lacunae (talk) 21:22, 28 December 2015 (UTC) Given the date on the image and FUB analysis, the image is of the low named Daniel by them http://www.met.fu-berlin.de/de/wetter/maps/Analyse_20151227.gif and is not the Eva/Chuck/Staffan low, so I'm going to remove without some evidence supporting it.Lacunae (talk) 21:42, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Agreed that the image was definitely of the low pressure area which followed Eva. A new image of Eva on 23 December is now in place on this page and on the main 2015–16 UK and Ireland windstorm season page to preserve consistency. I have also updated the entry on the Storm Eva section of the 2015–16 UK and Ireland windstorm season page citing evidence that Storm Eva only related to the low pressure area and frontal zone which crossed the UK on 23-24 December.

The majority of the information in this page refers to the low pressure area (named Daniel by FU Berlin) and associated slow-moving front which caused the heavy rains resulting in the Lancashire and Yorkshire floods. This low was not named by the Met Office or Met Eireann since there were no wind warnings associated with it. Thus the majority of information in this page does not directly relate to Storm Eva at all. I would favour moving all remaining relevant information on the Lancashire and Yorkshire floods into the 2015 Great Britain and Ireland floods page and removing this page as Storm Eva on its own could be succinctly covered in the 2015–16 UK and Ireland windstorm season page.

Revelina (talk) 12:55, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Merge to
Hi could you add a link in the   parameter of the merge to template you added to this page, so that we can see where the discussion is? Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  22:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)