Talk:Subgroups of Amish

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Articles about Amish denominations (sects, subgroups) were stubs for a long periods of time. I think there are few trusted sources of information about separate Amish groups and differences between them. If new verifiable information will be, redirects can be converted back to full size articles. Alexander Roumega (talk) 15:42, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

A couple random things that seem out of place
♦ Etymology of Swartzentruber - Is this necessary? While I found that little paragraph interesting, it seems to just be trivia, which I thought was disliked here on Wikipedia? It seems especially odd since there's no discussion of the origin of other Amish surnames. A section or article regarding Amish surnames & where they come from might be a nice addition to Wikipedia, and the area I think this paragraph should go into. I propose this paragraph be deleted or somehow worked into the article so it's not just a bit of trivia.

♦ Troyer Church/Tobe Church? - The header for this section says Troyer Amish, the first sentence refers to a Troyer Church, then the rest of the section refers to a Tobe Church. In particular, these two sentences throw me: The Tobe church remained mainly in Wayne County although they split into 'Tobe Old Order and Tobe New Order. The Troyer church' eventually moved to... Does anyone know which it is? The two bishops mentioned in regards to this subgroup both have the surname Troyer, so I'm inclined to believe it's Troyer Amish/Church. I'd like someone who's more familiar with the topic to chime in on this & perhaps even just fix the section. Thanks! Kailey elise (talk) 12:23, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I just rewrote that section to try to make it more obvious. Hackey55 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Suspenders on Swarzentrubers
There is a sentence in there that says that Schwarzentrubers wear only one suspender. I don't think this is a universal practice, and this might be a little confused. I do know that some Schwarzentrubers and Nebraska Amish wear broadfalls with laces instead of a button flap. Is there regional variation?

Also, it would be good to include the Kenton and Paoli groups in the offshoots of the Schwarzentrubers like the Troyers and Tobes. It is really odd that the New Order Tobes are so worldly and yet come from such a conservative group. That would be worth comment, too.198.229.214.54 (talk) 14:19, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

It says that Swarzentruber buggies have staggered lantern so as not to be confused with vehicles, but aren't buggies vehicles? Shouldn't it be motorized vehicles? I don't want to edit the text myself, since I'm not a native English speaker. /Bcarlssonswe (talk) 04:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Meaning of the name Swartzentruber

Link 8 dosen't work anymore. I don't agree the name means "seller of black grapes".[8] at all. The meaning derives from "trueb" "trüb" "turbid", as the small river is in this valley in Emmenthal Switzerland, Trueb, very black and turbid indeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.230.49.133 (talk) 06:00, 12 January 2014 (UTC)