Talk:Sumud

The concept did not exist prior to the 1967 war?
The heading paragraph of the article suggests that this concept emerged only after the 1967 war and the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. I am just wondering what about the reaction to the Arab-Israeli war of 1948 and the ethnic cleansing that occurred during that war (at least according to many credible historians)? Are there no recorded instances of the use of this concept, or at least an allusion to it, following the ethnic cleansing of 48 and the creation of the State of Israel? SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 18:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * So far, I have not been able to find any sources that suggest that the concept was articulated as such prior to 1967. I will keep looking, but I would not be surprised if it indeed only emerged after 1967. The period between 1948 and 1967 was on of deep trauma and an almost paralytic type shock that effectively inhibited the emergence of organized grassroots resistance efforts. (See Palestinian people for more on that.) Like I said though, I will keep looking. There may have been antecedents to its formal articulation that have since been discerned by scholars in the field. We will see. Thanks for your comments.  T i a m u t talk 00:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have found one article that indicates that "even before the language of sumud entered the Palestinian vocabulary, staying put was identified as an obligations of ..." Unfortunately, I cannot access the whole article since it's a pay per-view type thing (DIFFICULT DISTINCTIONS: Refugee Law, Humanitarian Practice, and Political Identification in Gaza. If you know how we could see the full context of the quote, that would be great. But I'll keep looking anyway, since I suspect that while the term was not clearly defined prior to 1967, the general idea was practiced. Need to find more complete sources though, before I make the leap to adding it to the article. Thanks for your raising of the issue.  T i a m u t talk 02:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Holy Land Trust
The Holy Land Trust is not the same organization as the Holy Land Foundation. The latter is based in Texas, while the former is based in Bethlehem. Please do not delete material sourced to the Holy Land Trust based on your confusion over its identity with another unrelated organization.  T i a m u t talk 11:52, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You are so right! Ahh, it's quite late and was already looking at Holy Land Foundation. sorry for the mix up! 13:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)Wikifan12345 (talk)
 * No problem. Its an easy mistake to make if one is unaware of the existence of other similarly named organizations.  T i a m u t talk 13:33, 27 February 2010 (UTC)