Talk:Taiwanese identity

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POV issues[edit]

The article currently reads like one that favors Taiwan independence. It does not represent in a balanced way the reunification side. Strong citations, which are glaringly absent, would be needed for the assertion that the majority of "Taiwanese" are the descendants of aborigines and ethnic Han. Ironically, the true aborigines are some of the strongest supporters of the pan-blue coalition these days.Ngchen (talk) 02:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable[edit]

OK, books.google.com and scholar.google.com seems to show that the topic is notable. It may help to use some of these sources to add to the article. Suntag (talk) 04:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to "Taiwanese identity"[edit]

To call it a "crisis" is a bit POV. Suggest we simply call it "Taiwanese identity" and allow the article to cover more than just the issue of Chinese imperialism's affect on Tawianese identity. Readin (talk) 17:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

potentially useful info[edit]

I removed this from the Republic of China article as the balancing information had been removed. It might be of use for this article.

It is argued that the growing military threats of Mainland China towards Taiwan contribute to the increase in demands for political steps towards independence and international support for it.[1] The PRC follows a version of the One China Principle, which states that "(1) China is one country; (2) Taiwan is an inseparable part of China; and (3) the PRC is the sole legitimate government to represent China". The PRC considers that Taiwan and mainland China share the same culture, and thus uses this and the One China Principle as a ground for reunification.[2]
Likewise, during the martial law period, the actions the Kuomintang took to suppress Taiwanese culture and identity is argued to have alienated the feelings of some people on Taiwan, and thus ended up having the opposite effect, and building up a Taiwanese identity.[3][4] Today, the current KMT government often claims that the culture of Taiwan is more "Chinese" than "Taiwanese".[5]. In 2008 Ma Ying-jeou was the first ROC president to lead the ceremony honoring the Yellow Emperor, and it has been argued that it was actually done to imply that the culture of Taiwan is in fact Chinese. [6]

Readin (talk) 13:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  1. ^ ""Taiwanese Identity and Democracy: The Social Psychology of Taiwan's 2004 Elections" book review". Information Division, Taipei Economic and Cultural Office. Retrieved 2009-05-07.
  2. ^ "Taiwanese Identity and the "One China Principle": Policies of the Lee Teng-hui Administration towards China". Tokyo University of Foreign Studies. March 2001. Retrieved 2009-05-28.
  3. ^ Blumenthal, Dan. "Gordius in the Strait: A New Taiwan and an Impatient China" (PDF). Retrieved 2009-05-07. KMT policies that promoted social discrimination, suppression of both Taiwanese culture and linguistic expression, and an unequivocal concept of "one China" all further alienated the Taiwanese and helped to foster a new "Taiwan identity." {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  4. ^ Shambaugh, David L. (2006). Power shift. University of California Press. pp. 179–183. ISBN 0520245709, 9780520245709. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: invalid character (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)
  5. ^ Simpson, Andrew (2007). Language and national identity in Asia. Oxford University Press. p. 252. ISBN 0199226482, 9780199226481. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: invalid character (help)
  6. ^ Turton, Michael (9 April 2009). "The Culture of Taiwan: President Ma Ying-jeou's symbolic gestures matter". Wall Street Journal Asia. Retrieved 2009-06-04.

Neutrality[edit]

I think we should discuss the issue together in Talk:Sinicization#Taiwan, as the issues are related.--pyl (talk) 18:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV noticeboard[edit]

Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Republic_of_China.2FTaiwanese_Identity

Overlap with Taiwanese People[edit]

This article seems to have some serious overlap problems with the Taiwanese People article. We need to more clearly define what each article is about and put information in the appropriate article, with cross-references as needed.

To get the discussion started, some topics that need covering and where they belong:

  • Taiwanese Identity
  1. . Current attitudes in Taiwan regarding how people identify themselves and how they identify Taiwan's relationship with other countries.
  2. . The history of the attitudes in Taiwan regarding how people identify themselves and how they identify Taiwan's relationship with other countries.


  • Taiwanese People
  1. . Famous Taiwanese people.
  • Both or Not sure
  1. . Distinguishing characteristics of Taiwanese people.
  2. . Ancestry of Taiwanese people, and the history that lead to it.
  3. . Ethnic percentages
  4. . Rules and Regulations of the ROC regarding citizenship and residency.


Readin (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This Taiwanese Identity article should, I believe, cover the question of what makes a person say "I am Taiwanese". This not a legal question, it is a question of how one views oneself. To a lesser extent it should also answer the question of why outsiders will identify a person as "Taiwanese". The article should also cover the history of those questions.

The Taiwanese People article should be a description of the people. The tricky part is defining "which" people we're talking about. This may inevitably lead to discussions about identity and legal definitions. Readin (talk) 14:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to "Taiwanese national identity"[edit]

The major problem of this article is that its topic is not defined precisely enough. I suppose what makes the topic relevant is not the common identity of the people that live in certain geographic space but the identity that emerges from shared political environment, namely the national identity. In this way Taiwanese identity is a political project, closely related to taiwanese internal political struggles. it is not the matter of what taiwanese identity really is, but how different political poles try to construct it. Tetapehta (talk) 08:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV[edit]

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:
  1. There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved
  2. It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given
  3. In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.

Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and delete[edit]

This article has serious NPOV issues. I suggest that we merge it with Taiwanese people and delete it. The lead is basically an editorial (which I've replaced), the history section is redundant with Histoty of Taiwan (and Taiwan) and poorly sourced. DrIdiot (talk) 18:21, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've already merged the sourced sections of the History section here as well as the polling into Taiwanese people. The rest I think isn't really worth merging. It's either unsourced or poorly written (e.g. "Different perspectives of history" and "Relationship between Taiwanese identity and Chinese identity"). DrIdiot (talk) 19:49, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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