Talk:The Boat Race 2012

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 * Schramm
 * Lindeman
 * Thorp
 * Nelson
 * Scharp
 * Dudek
 * Ross
 * Garratt
 * Bosson

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 * Zeng

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Belated peer review comments
I read this when it was at PR and never got around to making comments. Here are a couple of initial notes; I'll add to this as I go through the article.
 * I think the lead should be a trifle longer. Perhaps a sentence about the race itself before mentioning Trenton Oldfield; currently the lead jumps from saying Oxford were pre-race favourites to mentioning the race was halted.  How about: "Cambridge won the toss and chose to start on the Surrey side of the river.  Partway through the race, with the boats level, ..."
 * You didn't comment on this one -- not sure if you missed this. I still think this would be a helpful change. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 10:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't miss it, and I agreed with your comments. Following some PR comments from Ruhrfisch, it's been a little reworked, perhaps it'll suffice?  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:33, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The extra material in the lead certainly helps. I do still think it's a little odd for the lead to jump from a sentence about preparation to a sentence about the race being halted.  I think adding the sentence-and-a-half I suggested above (or something similar) would help the flow. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 23:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

That's everything I can see. The article is in good shape; just a couple of niggles. -- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:32, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I also think the lead should mention that an Oxford rower lost his blade; it seems to have had a major influence on the outcome and so should be covered in the lead.
 * Mentioned that now. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:35, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Can we link "Tideway" in the reserve race description?
 * Linked. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:35, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "The Boat Race is a side-by-side rowing competition between the University of Oxford and the University of Cambridge. First held in 1829, the competition is a 4.2 miles (6.8 km) race along The Championship Course on the River Thames in southwest London." The race has occasionally used different courses, and I don't think this sentence should imply otherwise.  I'd also like to avoid the repetition of "competition", if possible.  How about "The Boat Race is a side-by-side rowing competition between the University of Oxford and the University of Cambridge, first held in 1829.  For most of race's history it has been held on the 4.2 mile (6.8 km) Championship Course on the River Thames in southwest London" with perhaps a note after the second sentence giving the years in which other courses were used?
 * Have removed the repeat of competition, but loathe to add footnotes to every one of these to part-describe the other places that the race has taken place, I'll leave that to the main article (which will be an effort to fix up, but ....) The Rambling Man (talk) 21:37, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Um, yes, a hundred-odd identical footnotes does seem a bit much. I still don't like the implication that the course is the same, though.  I understand that your phrasing doesn't actually assert that, but "is a ... rowing competition ... held on the Championship Course" does imply it.  What do you of adding some phrase such as "now held", or "held, for most of the race's history"? Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 10:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I added "currently" to ensure that accurate and knowledgeable readers wouldn't be upset! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:33, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That works. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "For the first time in Cambridge's Boat Race history, their boat featured just one British oarsman, Mike Thorp, who, along with David Nelson and Oxford's Karl Hudspith, were the only rowers who had featured in the 2011 race" I had to read this a couple of times, and cross-refer to the table, before I realized that the coxswain is not counted as an oarsman.  (Duh.)  I'm not a rowing aficionado, but then many other readers won't be either, so perhaps this can be made clearer.  How about: "For the first time in Cambridge's Boat Race history, their boat featured just one British oarsman, Mike Thorp; the cox, David Nelson, was also British.  These two, along with Oxford's Karl Hudspith, were the only rowers who had featured in the 2011 race."?
 * Re-read it myself, and found it confusing but not for the same reasons. Have re-phrased to accommodate your concerns and my issues... I think!  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:41, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You have the source for the table attached to the word "Source:"; I think I can guess why you did that, but I don't think it's necessary. I think you could add the ref after the "P = President" note.
 * I think it'll cause more trouble than it's worth. Most FAC people tend to ignore tables in any case, too complex for their prose-esque minds.  Plus sometimes I have to use sources exclusively to reference the presidents. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I don't really like it, but I must say I can't suggest a better option, so let's see what happens. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 10:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "himself part of the successful and lighter 2011 Dark Blue crew": do you mean lighter than the 2012 Dark Blues, or lighter than the 2011 Cambridge crew? I would assume it's the latter but it should be clearer.
 * Rephrased to cater for this obvious confusion! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:53, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "Barn Elms" is mentioned in the text but not shown on the map. If it's not going to be added to the map, a phrase of description should be added that either relates it to the map or gives a distance: e.g. "just past Fulham Football Club".
 * Added more. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "Despite rating higher and taking an early lead, Goldie was caught by Isis at Barn Elms, and held a half-length lead by the Mile Post": as written this means Goldie held a lead by the Mile Post, but that doesn't seem to match the next sentence, in which Oxford is said to extend their lead.
 * THINK I've fixed that.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:59, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Better, but "extending their lead to over a length by Hammersmith Bridge" is a parenthetical comment so should strictly have a comma before "extending" too. That would give you a comma on both sides of "and", which I would be OK with but which some people might see as comma-itis; you could leave it that way or rephrase if you don't like it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 10:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Attempted a reword. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:33, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "continued to pull further away": you don't need both "continued" and "further"; I'd cut "further".
 * Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "It was the first time the race had been stopped since 2001": this makes it sound as if it had been stopped at least a few times, whereas it appears this was only the second time. How about: "This was only the second time the race had been stopped", perhaps with a note outlining the previous incident.
 * Rejigged, but still unhappy with it. We'll see what those FACers have to say.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:48, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I think this is fine now. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "Oxford cox Zoe de Toledo made a request that the race be re-rowed as a result of the broken oar": this is the first mention of a broken oar; earlier it just says that Wienhausen lost his blade. If that's because it was broken I would suggest saying so at first mention of the incident.
 * Bah, boatie thing I suppose, oar/blade all the same. Have re-jigged a little.  The Rambling Man (talk)
 * I didn't know that blade was used to refer to the entire oar, but that wasn't my point. It seems that you're using "lost his blade" to mean "lost the use of his blade" because it was damaged.  On first reading I took it to mean "dropped the blade in the water".  Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 10:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually he did lose half (or thereabouts) of his blade. Hopefully between the updated lead ("... suffered irreparable damage to his blade following ...") and the slight rewording in the main part of the article, this is covered now. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:33, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not completely convinced that "lost his blade" in the main text won't mislead other readers as it did me, but you've made it clear in the lead, and I've now read over it too many times to be sure. I've struck this comment; let's see what folks say at FAC. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 23:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Mike Christie, your time and efforts much appreciated. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Struck most comments above; added a couple of notes in one or two places. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, sorry I missed your responses, which I've hopefully now addressed. FAC is live, baton down the hatches....!  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:33, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * One minor point left unstruck above. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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 * Very kind, as one of the main authors I very much appreciate your feedback! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Hanno Wienhausen's seat
The Main race section reads "...Oxford's number six, Hanno Wienhausen..." yet the table in the Crews section places Wienhausen in seat four. Is that an error? Regards, Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 00:16, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should be four. Thanks, and fixed.  The Rambling Man (talk) 11:22, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Cambridge Crew Order
The Cambridge crew order is wrong. It was: Garratt, Sharp, Dudek, Thorp, Ross, Lindeman, Schramm, Nelson. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvW0j5Ua6cI 20s in — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:470:9400:F120:E394:F60:66FE (talk) 21:07, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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