Talk:The Clock Towers

Not "Largest Hotel In the World"
This is clearly not the "largest hotel in the world." By any measure, the hotel portion of this building is not exceptionally large; it has either 858 or 1,005 rooms and suites, which doesn't even put it in the top 100 worldwide. I will accordingly delete the words "and largest" from the description. Bry9000 (talk) 03:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The arabnews.com source says 3,000 rooms. But that's still not close to being the world's largest. Bry9000 (talk) 04:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Pictures of the Clock?
WHAT THE-??!!! Who deleted the two pics of the clock??? WE NEED THOSE! can someone tell me please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhinomantis88 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC) Controversy? We dont need that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.143.129 (talk) 16:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Please, add this external image of the clock taken by sultan_almasoudi (@sultan_almasoudi on Instagram)

https://scontent-arn2-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14374032_554585701399482_1175830768_n.jpg

https://www.instagram.com/p/BKYrMyjAKln/

83.253.201.242 (talk) 11:25, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

My Favorite
(Rhinomantis88) This is my fav building of all, I like clock towers, but am I the only one editing this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhinomantis88 (talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Seven star hotel?
The article calls the hotel "seven-star", although no hotel accrediting organization uses more than five stars (sometimes with a 'superior' modifier)--the article the seven-star claim links to indicates that such a rating is meaningless and only done for PR purposes. Therefore I am changing it to read "five-star". Dziban303 (talk) 01:12, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Erroneous Material
Unless a reliable citation can be found for the claim that the Abraj Al Bait towers final mass will be the greatest in the world, I vote that it be removed, as I cannot possibly believe that these commercial towers will have a greater mass than, say, the Great Pyramid. - Campanile 21:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You're definitely right; I put the fact tags a while ago, and sources have been given, so the information can now be removed. Raime 22:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding recent height changes
Recently, there has been some editing indicating that the height of the tallest tower will now rise to 595 m and 101 stories. This may very well be true; please do not regard my recent reverting of edits to mean that I think it is untrue information or vandalism. However, the reference used in the article supports the 577 m height of this building. If the height has been increased, then a new ref is needed to support this new, speculative statement. Until then, this should remain as is. Thanks, Rai - me  20:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Non-Muslims
Why have Non-Muslims no access to the Abraj Al Bait Towers? --88.78.243.211 (talk) 19:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * huh? because it's located next to religious site in a city with religious significance? What would be Non-Muslims doing in Mecca? OneGuy (talk) 20:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Clock?
Looking at the official site, it doesn't appear as if the clock is a design element anymore. Can someone confirm that this is the case?--C.Logan (talk) 13:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You may be referring to a previous design of the complex. The most current design includes the clock. M5891 (talk) 21:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Uses of tallest tower?
Obviously it will not be a fully hotel building, or the Emirates Park Towers Hotel & Spa article wouldn't be claiming that it is about to take over the tallest hotel spot. More information is necessary.Amyzex (talk) 19:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Crescent Moon imitates the Red Star?
This thing looks like more or less a direct a copycat of some post-WWII monumental palaces in Moscow, which Stalin had built, using german POW labour. See: 

I can't grasp why saudis want to imitate "soviet gothic" architecture 20 years after the USSR collapsed? 87.97.100.84 (talk) 21:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Controversy
Why no mention of the controversy over this project? See: here, here, here and here for example. Astronaut (talk) 03:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

dear ? what ever your name i would suggest you first study the history Islamic architecture, Muslim used to built minerates dooms early 12th century it Russian who copy the Muslim architecture. have u not visited the great palace of Spain built by Muslims. Blue mosque of Istanbul turkey, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.59.80.153 (talk) 04:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Historical Ecyad Castle was destroyed to build these structures. It should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.164.213.126 (talk) 15:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Just to point it out, the controversy discussed appears twice... prominently at the end of the article's introduction and again in it's own section... since it's featured so significantly in the intro, I'm not sure it's necessary to have another whole section, especially if it's only one line long. Importemps (talk) 10:43, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Clock
So the clock faces will be about 250 feet in diameter? Wow. Daniel Christensen (talk) 00:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

That means that the minute hand will have to travel 360 feet in a hour and the hour hand will go 30 feet in a hour. On a regular sized clock looking really close you can visibly see the minute hand moving, and on a garden clock it's obvious. A clock would have to be 12 times larger diameter to see hour hand movement; and this is by FAR. Now, what if it had a second hand... LOL I'm sure it won't but that would be cool. Daniel Christensen (talk) 00:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

A smooth motion second hand would go about 4 miles per hour. Daniel Christensen (talk) 00:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

There seems to be an inconsistency regarding the clock size, between this article (80 m.)and List of biggest clock faces (40 m.). The clocks in fact look smaller than the 65-meter spire.

According to this link the clock faces will be 43 by 43 meters. AstroLynx (talk) 15:33, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Now this article has 46 m and 'List of biggest clock faces' has this 43 m. Where is the consistency? 82.141.116.243 (talk) 14:29, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Who is the designer/manufacturer for the clock? It doesn't seem to be a Rolex or any other standard brand. Any input or information would be valuable. Thanks

spartymantz (talk) 13:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

This is plagiarism
This building looks like Empire State Building or Big Ben. It imitates strictly European architecture. The only difference is, that this one will be bigger...--77.113.169.14 (talk) 15:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Size comparison diagram?
Could someone whip up a diagram showing the relative height/size of St. Stephen's Tower (Big Ben) versus this one, for visual comparison? Like, two silhouettes drawn to scale? That would work well for this article, since Big Ben vs. Mecca Clock Tower is a pretty popular comparison. (Yes, I know that Big Ben is the bell, not the clock.) Thanks. Dave (talk) 22:05, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I pasted Skyscraperpage.com image's of both buildings onto their scale background (96.3m vs 600m). That Mecca travesty is naff and hideous.
 * Big Ben and Mecca Clock Tower Comparison at Tinypic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.149.206 (talk) 09:39, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅ for the clocks&rarr; cm&#610;&#671;ee&#9742;&#9993; 21:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Completed?
Is this really completed? The CTBUH and Emporis both list it as 'topped-out'. Astronaut (talk) 16:40, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

It is not completed from what I have heard (the cranes are still up and apparently the back still isn't done having the facade installed) Aausterm (talk) 21:00, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

NO Controversy Section?!?!
Honestly, I have the feeling that the style and location of this building is *bound* to cause major controversy. I have no in-depth knowledge of Islamic culture, but I would expect the vicinity of the Kaaba to be treated with more decency. The building is clearly violating the scenery (drawing attention to itself instead of the pilgrimage site), it is inherently Euroamerican in style (a rather gloomy mix of the Stalinist style, art deco, and neogothic - in this non-artist's opinion), and it seems very bland and unpolished.

A quick google search revealed a couple of bloggers who share my opinions, for instance this one http://stylishmuslimah.blogspot.com/2011/07/good-bad-and-ugly-of-makkah-medinah.html (ok, she seems kind of biased against the thing anyway, but I'm sure there's more objective criticism out there). Are blogs not accepted as sources?

Chymæra (talk) 02:04, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Not really d a n n o  19:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Rename to Makkah Royal Clock Tower Hotel
Most sources, including the hotel site itself and CTBUH call this the "Makkah Royal Clock Tower Hotel". That should be the name of the article. It's also more user friendly for English-speakers than an Arabic name. --Wester (talk) 11:01, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "Makkah Royal Clock Tower Hotel" refers to the main tower. The complex is called Abraj Al Abait. Check: Abraj Al-Bait Endowment Complex at CTBUH site. Doblecaña (talk) 12:18, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Literal translation name
Can we add that Abraj Al-Abait literally means House Towers? Abraj al Bait - Abraj is plural form for Bruj meaning towers. Al Bait is the shortened form for "Bait ul Allah" or House of Allah. It means Towers of Bait ul Allah. Source (non-reliable) Doblecaña (talk) 12:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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5th or 6th tallest freestanding structure
Paragraph 1 says: "The central hotel tower, the Makkah Clock Royal Tower, is the fourth-tallest building and sixth-tallest freestanding structure in the world."

Paragraph 3 says: "The tallest tower in the complex is the tallest building in Saudi Arabia, with a height of 601 metres (1,972 feet). Currently it is the fifth-tallest freestanding structure in the world..."

Which is correct?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldbluebucket (talk • contribs) 04:40, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * According to List of tallest freestanding structures it is the 6th tallest freestanding structure in the world Grey13z (talk) 08:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

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Who made the clock?
The 'description' section says it was made by German PERROT GmbH & Co. KG Turmuhren und Läuteanlagen, while the "spire" section says the clock was made by Dubai Premier Composite Technologies. I think the former is true, but can someone with more knowledge than me please sort this out? Thanks! --95.89.78.72 (talk) 13:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Change page title from Abraj Al Bait to The Clock Towers
there is new branding for towers name to be The Clock Towers Esraanabil1992 (talk) 16:44, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * yes agree
 * https://theclocktowers.com/ Ashrumntam (talk) 12:52, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

need to update the title to The Clock Towers
the name of the complex has been updated to "The Clock Towers"

The Clock Towers Are one of the largest most valuable mixed-use projects in the world that must be visited. They form one of the most condense projects worldwide that has many different elements and dispense high-end unique services to ensure a memorable experience for every visitor on their journeys. The skyscrapers contain a seven-story shopping mall that offers international fashion brands, hypermarkets, a medical clinic, a civil defense station and many other necessities providing convenience and efficiency to all visitors and making it a one-stop destination. Ashrumntam (talk) 12:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * A technical page move has been requested. Currently The Clock Towers redirects to Rugby Central Shopping Centre however that article makes no mention of the term "The Clock Towers" and is probably an informal nickname of little importance, worse case we simply add a dab to the top of this article to that article. This article concerns one of the largest and most extensive buildings in the world (second most costly), and it is extremely notable due to its location and visibility. -- Green  C  16:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Roof height correction
The roof height was changed without WP:RS by a now-blocked user (see: ). Since I have already reverted this user three times on this page, to avoid the appearance of edit warring or violating WP:3RR, I would like a separate user to revert to this edit. Thanks! Wikipedialuva (talk) 08:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)