Talk:The Kooks

Notable live performances
Is Naives TOTP performance really worthy of mention? It was no more special than any other performance, nor was it the bands debuet appearance on the show. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.14.45.236 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * As far as I can remember, it really helped boost their sales, and is credited as a major peformance for them, I will try to find a link which backs up this source. Nick 17:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I have added the trivia template as the Performances list is growing but without a single supporting reference as to why anything on the list is notable. I suspect the whole list could (and probably should) be removed without detracting from the rest of the article. Any notable performances could be included in the text of the article rather than as a list. Lame Name (talk) 06:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Bassist
is Max their origional and only bass player? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.131.76.195 (talk • contribs) 15:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * He's been in the band certainly since before March 2005 (the first time I saw them), and I'm sure he was in the band for a long time before then. Although recently they've had someone else playing bass sparodically since Max has been in and out of rehab. I forget what the other bass player's name is, but I think he's the band's guitar tech. Sven945 17:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * his name is pete denton, and he was asked by the band to be their fulltime bassist, after touring with them as a stand in for max. once it was clear max was no longer dependable, they made the change. interestingly, this happened months ago, but its just recent that photos are beginining to reflect this line up change (ie, hes pictured second from the left on thiir main wiki pages promo shot). pete also plays lead guitar for his own project, paris trading. i know most all of this simply because he is a mutual friend; however, how to present (on wikipedia) this level of hear-say is beyond me; do i simply ask him to confirm all this so we can update it? carlos 20:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Try to find something in print from a reputable source. As long as it's a verifiable fact, it could be added to the article with a footnote. The band's official website still lists Rafferty as bass player however. The band appeared on Letterman tonight, but I couldn't tell who was playing bass. It appeared to be the same lad that was on stage with them four nights ago in Chicago, but there's no telling when the Letterman show was taped. Patrick925 04:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but Max is back now!!!!

standard
this is mostly hyperbole.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Discotrash (talk • contribs) 14:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * er, how is it? example? Alex 10:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Naive / Naïve

 * copied from Talk:Naïve (The Kooks song)

I don't know why the page has been created at "Naïve" rather than "Naive" - all references to the song in all sources spell it the English way - without the "ï". Most important of all are the CD itself, and the band's official website. If there is no disagreement, I will go ahead and move the page to Naive (The Kooks song). DJR (Talk) 12:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 'Naïve' IS English, albeit it a pretentious version. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Damiancorrigan (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC).

UnOfficial / Unofficial?
Surely UnOfficial (see External Links) should be spelt Unofficial, without the capital O, to keep with proper English? Or am I just totally deranged? Please tell me what you think... Matty! 11:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you're right although, to be honest, half of the links on this page probably aren't worth keeping. Any views? Oggy 18:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Like the libertines?
Sorry, but the kooks sound nothing like the libertines, or dirty pretty things for that matter...--Therealchaffinch 19:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

With a Northern accent?
I don't think so. More like a West Country accent to me, best evidenced by the 'Don't let me down' line. Perhaps even bordering on Chinese on 'She Moves in Her Own Way'. mat_x 08:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced that it's even appropriate to put in anything about their accent on Wikipedia. As you've just demonstrated, everyone has their own ideas about what type of accent it is! If no one can verify what type of accent it is then it should be removed. Oggy 15:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

More info
What the hell? Surely we want more information that that pieces of unnoteworthiness! A.S.A.P. please, thank you. Scotteh 15:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you trying to say that we need to improve the article? If so, I agree! See my message below. Thanks. Oggy 13:30, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Luke Pritchard is the prime example of a drug addict, puking on himself and convulsing in bathroom stalls. Lovely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.235.198.242 (talk) 03:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Issues/Areas for improvement
There are a couple of points I feel need raising about the article: Please post any comments! Thanks. Oggy 13:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Can we come to some consensus regarding "Slave to the Game"? It seems every time someone removes it, someone else puts it back up! From what I've heard, it was distributed only at gigs. Does this make it a single or not?
 * Does the article really need long lists of planned appearances and past appearances? No other band articles have them, and it makes Wikipedia look more like a place for advertising their future performances (this information is available elsewhere). If a performance is really notable then it can be worked into a biography, which leads to my next point...
 * The article really needs some sort of biography! I'll do my best to add some stuff soon, but I could really use the help of someone who knows more about The Kooks than me!

A target to aim for would be the Arctic Monkeys article. Iorek85 09:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

in my opnion, slave to the game should definately be considered a single, even if it was only distributed at the gigs. they intentionally put it out there for people to listen, and even those who didnt get their hands on it at a gig have it one way or another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicyeah42 (talk • contribs) 02:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I changed X2 plat to 3X plat
accoarding to MTV. their album went triple plat. -thebird

Possible Link
http://www.themusiczine.com/content/view/131/42/ - Gig review, couldn't see a better place for it.

http://www.prefixmag.com/reviews/cds/K/the-kooks/inside-ininside-out/2655 - CD Review. Should we add a Professional Reviews section?
 * The album review can go on the Inside In/Inside Out article. Thanks. Oggy 17:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Http://www.thekooks.co.nr > Another The Kooks forum

Whoever has written this article has got totally confused between Luke Pritchard and Johnny Borrell. Please change this so that this article is wholly about The Kooks and not confused with Razorlight.

More about band's history
I checked their wiki entry to know more about the band, but there is little to mention about them. Anyone up for it? --Soetermans 23:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Indie?
'Indie' has lost all meaning today, in the sense that it in no way denotes a band's record label status- it is simply a catch-all term that is applied to a guitar band whose music sits between harder rock and country/acoustic. The Kooks are most definitely not Blues rock though, and i'm not sure they are post-punk revival either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sausage Faced Weasel (talk • contribs) 13:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Should they really be called indie? Selling over a million copies on a major label (Virgin), doesn't seem to tie in with this. I understand that people refer to a genre as indie, when many of the bands they include in the genre are not on independent labels, but I prefer the old labelling of rock/pop. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.48.1.25 (talk • contribs).


 * I agree. "Indie" isn't a genre, it's a name for bands who somehow made it out of the unknown. The Kooks's style is poprock, with somewhat of a ska/reggae influence. Bands listed as indie include French electropop Air, Britpop Arctic Monkeys, harcore punk Fugazi... It seems that anything can be labeled as indie. --Soetermans 18:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Also agree, this bans is far from indie, their album is released by a major (virgin labels) and their genre may be classified as brit pop, just like SOME indie-bands (e.g. franz ferdinand), but being britpop doesn't make something indie. The term is too often used incorrectly when it comes to Brittish bands. (Mellow gold 22:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC))


 * Several sources list the band as being an "indie" band, or at least part of the "indie" scene. It must be borne in mind that the policies that dictate what should be included in Wikipedia are not whether or not something is true, but whether or not it can be verified by reliable sources.  Suggesting that the Kooks are not an "indie" band without adequate reference is, ultimately, in breach of WP:NOR.   DJR  ( T ) 02:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

To the first poster in this section: this is a universal encyclopedia, it doesn't matter what you "prefer", your personal opinion is not taken into account. Also, Kooks are less indie than, say Klaxons but are very far from Britpop, The Kooks are not even pop! Wikipedia's definiton of Britpop: "Britpop was a mid-1990s British alternative rock genre and movement that was at its most popular in Great Britain." The word indie has evolved and is now a genre not merely referring to bands signed with independent label, i expect most of you being from america find it hard to grasp that something new, exciting and popular emerged from somewhere outside of your continent, but it has, this should be shown in Wikipedia, all the above written by you is your opinion, not fact. Here I give you fact, Wikipedia's definition of indie: "The term (indie) has since become increasingly popular and is now often used to describe anything in music that is characterized by its perceived indepency from mainstream or pop culture as a whole. As such, it can be seen as a synonym for alternative music.[2][3]" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_%28music%29) Oh, oh dear, the indie classification remains. Phelim123 17:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Whatever,wikigeeks. The Kooks are no way indie.Britpop and Post-Punk Revival are rubbish aspects of what only the mainstream people think of indie. Black metal technically is indie,Nirvana were (at first) indie.....it isn't really atyle.Its just a word used by commerciaal radio and magazines to make 'Post-punk revival' and 'britpop' more understandable to teenagers. 'Indie kids' listen to Fleet Foxes and Godspeed You!Black Emperor. Unless they're posers,generallly Mainstream Jocks and Abercrombie&Fitch types listen to the Kooks,The Killers,Franz Ferdinand and the Arcctic Monkeys and other bands that are not Indie! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.106.144 (talk) 21:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Short and to the point: signed to major label = not "indie". The end. Gmags2003 (talk) 02:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC) 23 August 2009

Article expansion?
They are a big band now, in the UK at least, so why hasn't someone expanded the article? Surely there is someone capable of doing a write-up about them inside of the basic stats + trivia we have at the moment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.215.133.210 (talk • contribs).

They split up?
Who said they split up? They only said on myspace, that they will take a break from a very busy year.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.60.174.77 (talk • contribs).

Genres
Surely "TopShop Rock" can't be included as a genre? WHirl 22:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

THE KOOKS IS GEWOON EEN FANTASTISCHE GROEP EN DAAR MOET JE GEEN DOEKJES ROND DRAAIEN

WEET IEMAND OF ZE IS IN BELGIË GAAN OPTREDEN

Trivia

 * Luke Pritchard announced in an interview on a French TV show that he attended the same school as Lily Allen (Bedales).
 * According to the website of sponsors NME, The Kooks gathered the lowest-ever crowd for an NME stage headliner at T in the Park. This is thought to be heavily attributable to their being placed as headliner on the bill, while The Killers, a more popular band, headlined the Main Stage at the same time.
 * The song "See the World" has featured in the skateboarding game Tony Hawk's Proving Ground.

Cleanup
I've added a Cleanup template to the article, it's got some major faults.

kiac (talk) 10:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Firstly, Notable performances is not notable in wikipedia. I've never seen it in another article, especially not a featured/good article. It should be retyped out, illustrating the significance of the band playing these shows, in a Touring or Live Performances section. Also, should be in the correct prose (Manual of Style), Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a directory of concerts.
 * Secondly, the lead needs improvement.
 * It's hard to believe, with all the edits on this article, that a UK #2 album has a whole three lines written on it.
 * The other section (on Konk) is badly written and also needs correct prose.
 * Singles chart references. Album chartings.
 * Promotions - delete.
 * There's some random links in the references.
 * Half of the External links aren't justifiable. Wikipedia does not require a link to 10 fansites, if any. Pretty sure google can do that.
 * I was about to comment on the "notable concerts" section - and I agree - it just seems like trivia - and I can't quite see why some of them are notable anyway. It's just a very incomplete gigography.  Booglamay (  talk  ) - 17:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Add to Kiac's list WP:LINKSTOAVOID WP:SPAM. Piano non troppo (talk) 06:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Ignored!
None of my suggestions are being taken seriously. They are changed back as soon as I go back on the page! Please explain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.83.207 (talk) 04:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Indian Rock? Kerplonk? The Kocks? You idiot... More commonly known as a tool, twat or douchebag. k-i-a-c  ( hitmeup  -  the past ) 05:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

To Sum Up my Changes...
Overall I think the changes I have made to this page have been beneficial. These include:


 * - Wrote up Intro
 * - Wrote up Inside/Inside Out
 * - Wrote up Konk
 * - Wrote up Departure of Max Raferty
 * - Added Image of The Kooks

Throughout I have either entirely added new info or merely used the info this article contained and rewritten it to flow better, have also added more references and deleted trivia where I thought fit.


 * I think the lead needs another rewrite though, expansion of the article in general is needed, and I think a few more pics of The Kooks inserted throughout would be welcome. Also a Live performances Section and a Musical Style/Influences Section needs to be added to this article. Any contributions/help is welcome and appreciated.

Have also submitted article for assessment to music project group.

--RavensFists (talk) 01:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You've done a really great job mate. References are solid, and the expansion has improved the article an absolute heap. I copyedited it for you, there was a few issues with the MOS, but no biggy, all fixed now. Hopefully I can zip through and reference the discography section for you and it should get a decent assesssment. Just need to keep improving and expanding and hopefully we can go for Good Article eventually. k.i.a.c  ( talktome  -  contribs ) 06:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, discography is all done. Just going through the references at the moment - there's a couple of problems. I've replaced Song365, with what seems to be the original source, but it is a Fanzine - not particularly reliable. Also, things like Wordpress and CDbaby shouldn't be used. CDbaby being a retailer, is not considered reliable. Billboard did an article on them, haven't got to reading it yet, but surely it could replace some of this information if you can't find more reliable sources. k.i.a.c  ( talktome  -  contribs ) 08:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the help, great have to have someone experienced editing here too, this is the first article I've ever edited on Wikipedia so I'm still getting to grips with MOS and the quality of referencing needed, but hopefully will learn along the way. Unfortunately looking at the waiting list for assessment on the music project page the article probably won't get assessed for years, or never. Will rewrite lead now and go on the search for better references in the hope of finding more info for expansion. Thanks again --RavensFists (talk) 16:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Good luck with the GA. I'll try and get some more fixes in, strengthen the lead and fix up the references names for you in the coming days. The article could possibly do with a Style/Influences section as well, if you want to be completely sure of your coverage on the topic. k.i.a.c  ( talktome  -  contribs ) 01:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

About the Controversy Section
Okay, from what everyones telling me the Controversy section has to go, as it's point POV. However I happen to think it's mainly neutral in tone and fairly well written. Also looking at The Killers article, it contains a Controversy section and is also listed as a GA......

However if anyone can rewrite it back in to main history section please go ahead, as I'm at a loss as to where it may fit properly so it can flow.

Thanks, --RavensFists (talk) 11:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Bad Link
Hi, I just noticed that the Max Rafferty link in the fourth paragraph of Rafferty's departure and Konk (2008–present) links to the wrong Max Rafferty, but I can't edit the article.

PS. Sorry, I don't know how to the the nametag thing at the end

~pritstick94 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pritstick94 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Paul Garred Has Left
This needs updating as Paul Garred has left in late 2009, you can see here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/music/newsid_10050000/newsid_10057100/10057182.stm "In late 2009 drummer Paul Garred departed following to a nerve problem in his arm, following bassist Max Rafferty, who left to be replaced by Peter Denton." Martyncoup (talk) 20:25, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated, thanks. Also put some stuff in about the splitting issue. kiac.  ( talk - contrib ) 06:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, he has now been officially replaced by Chris Prendergast, they have updated this on their Facebook page - http://www.facebook.com/thekooksofficial OllieBarnard (talk) 10:57, 15 April 2010 (GMT)

Hi there, I took the time to update the article concerning the Garred/Prendergast switch. Just to let you know. --Georgepauljohnringo (talk) 14:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Paul Garred is back
Chris Prendergast was a temporary drummer, while Paul was recovering from an arm injury. Now Garred is cured, (there's a few recent videos where he appears performing with the band) he becomes again the offical Kooks drummer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.4.93 (talk) 13:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Junk of the Heart
the new album's been released, how about creating the article for that?

don't know how to do the signature thing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.231.164.127 (talk) 04:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Years active
Hi, years active states 2002, but it says they were formed in 2004? Not sure how they can be active before they formed.

Can someone with an account change this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.6.125 (talk) 12:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Recent changes
I reverted your edit because it appeared as blanking without any given explanation. I will address this edit on more detail:
 * Firstly, the line up changes do need to be mentioned in the lede. I think you are right that the current level of detail is not needed but it has to mention the original line up, the current one and notable replacements (not session musicians).
 * Secondly, the section header for the Konk album should be neutral i.e. lineup changes as opposed to 'upheaval'. I agree with the edit on the album and line-up section, although some of it could do with better sourcing (avoid using the Daily Star). Rafferty's side of the story needs to be included more to give balance.
 * Thirdly, the Pritchard comments and sections of the reviews were removed. They do add to our understanding of the development of the band and I think they need to be included. Not excessively, but two or three would be sufficient. Some mention of chart success needs to be added. I agree with the move of the picture.
 * Fourth, if Garred's issues surfaced in 2009 then having it under the Konk album section appears odd. The original text suggested that his injuries were psychological, but that was without a reference. If it can be properly referenced, then it should be included.
 * Fifth, I'm not sure if the sentence "because Garred felt he wasn't ready for the rigors of playing live every day" adds anything, as he left the band soon after. Is see no issues with the three last edits. Please avoid using bare URLs, it leads to linkrot. Karst (talk) 22:58, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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B-Sides and Demos
The Kooks have released many B-Sides and demos over the years. For example, the single for Naïve featured a b-side song called Tea and Biscuits while the single Sofa Song contained a b-side called Something to Say. In more recent albums the Kooks have released very little in terms of b-sides, the only one coming alongside the down EP which contained 3 bonus songs. Although, there was a deluxe album that coincided with the release of their 4th studio album listen. No b-sides were released alongside Let’s Go Sunshine. DavidHogg67 (talk) 23:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC)