Talk:The Windup Girl

Inaccuracies in the synopsis
I don't think this line is correct: "In light of the facts, Akkarat tries to make peace with Pracha, but Anderson coerces him to carry on with the regime change." Anderson was captured and being tortured while the facts were being ascertained. Once he is released, Anderson is surprised to find that Akkarat has already commenced with the destruction of the Environment Ministry before Anderson can bring his forces to bear.


 * You seem to be correct. The tone of the conversation misled me. Lake seems to dominate any conversation. A proper John Travolta. Here you are.. Akkarat, "The Somdet Chaopraya’s assassination has brought out a great deal of hostility for the white shirts. Protests outside the Environment Ministry. Even the Megodont Union is involved. People were already angry at the Ministry’s crackdowns. I have decided we will capitalize on this."Iceman87 (talk) 14:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Inaccuracies in the synopsis
I've just finished reading this book, and felt obliged to correct some of the more glaring inaccuracies in the synopsis. For example, while Trade Minister Akkarat may have been a general, he was never identified as such. "Somdet Chaopraya" is a title and shouldn't be treated as a name; in fact, after the S.C.'s death, when the White Shirts have been decimated and Akkarat is briefly in ascendance, he is referred to in passing as the new Somdet Chaopraya. MarkVolundNYC (talk) 16:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * you are welcome to correct it. glad to see this page has received attention now that it has won the nebula. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iceman87 (talk • contribs) 08:10, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * still in the stub class? what do i need to do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iceman87 (talk • contribs) 08:12, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Good beginning here, but the article needs more than a plot synopsis and Wikipedia links for the themes section. With some research, you should be able to find reliable sources that verify the themes. Also, publication information is useful. When and where was the book published? Finally add a "Reception" section with reviews, again using reliable sources. For now, I've upgraded to a start. Will keep the article watched, and let me know if you have questions. Have a look at Across the River and into the Trees at an article about a novel, although the article is still in the process of being developed. Good luck. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 14:48, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Controversies and criticisms
The book has been widely praised, but also widely criticized for sexism and for some mistakes in fact (hard to do in a SF book, but apparently Jaidee is an obscure girl's name; using it for a macho male Thai character is about the moral equivalent of naming a male character in a book set in the US "Millicent", the "Thai" phrases in the book are in fact gibberish, etc). One loud voice of dissent is a native Thai SF blogger who has posted some rather vitriolic reviews:

https://requireshate.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/first-impressions-paolo-bacigalupis-the-wind-up-girl-is-exotifying-yellow-fever-offensive-claptrap/

http://requireshate.wordpress.com/tag/paolo-bacigalupi-is-a-turd/

Leaving the tone of the reviews aside, she does point out some mistakes in research. She's certainly not the only one writing critical reviews of the book, but as a native Thai speaker I thought she had standing to critique the use of language.

Her blog is certainly notable, it's in the running for a Hugo for best fan blog site.

Is it usual to include a section on stuff like this in an article on a fiction book? I don't really know.

Baron ridiculous (talk) 03:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Sections on criticisms are not unheard of. "Reception" could be changed to "Reception and Criticism", or the criticism of the book as racist and sexist could be mentioned under "reception". It is not only A Cracked Moon/Requires Hate who has criticised the book, after all:


 * The Windup Girl: Orientalism, Science Fiction, and Wasn't Your Own Culture Good Enough for Your Dystopian Novel?


 * The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi Reviewed by Niall Harrison


 * #14: The Wind-Up Girl — Guest Review by Jaymee Goh (via requireshate)


 * swancon #3: the windup girl, paolo bacigalupi (book review + panel notes) (via requireshate)


 * L talk 11:10, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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