Talk:Thomas Isherwood

International youth career
Sources say under-15, why is this being removed? GiantSnowman 07:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sources Bradford City, Daily Record, The Scotsman. GiantSnowman 08:19, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you explain your reasoning for removing the U15 side? Kosack (talk) 08:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello GiantSnowman and Kosack! As I explained in my edit summary, it's up to each national football assocation to decide how to classify their youth caps. The Swedish Football Association have a very clear classification system which is based on the UEFA tournaments (U17, U19 and U21). If we take Isherwood as an example, his matches 2013–July 2015 (15 to 17 years old) counts as Sweden U17 caps, and his matches August 2015–2017 (17 to 19 years old) counts as Sweden U19 caps. There is and never has been a Sweden U15 team. Sweden U16 and Sweden U18 are just the names for the U17 and U19 teams pre-August 2001. This is the standard for all and many other UEFA assocations use the same praxis. However, this might be confusing to you as the FA use the U16–U19 classification system instead (not even they have U15). Bradford City, Daily Record and The Scotsman probably just translated Isherwood's caps into their own classification system to help their readers understand. That doesn't mean it's a good source compared to the Swedish FA. After all, it's the Swedish FA, not Bradford City, Daily Record and The Scotsman, who classifie their own youth caps. For example, I wouldn't try to change Neymar's youth caps into neither the Swedish nor the English system. The Brazilian Football Confederation have their own system (U17, U20, U23) and that's the way it should be. // Mattias321 (talk) 10:18, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying, what's the age group before under-17 in Sweden? I believe most European nations generally follow the UEFA levels of 17, 19 and 21 but there are certainly times where this can differ, for example the Wales under-20 side was created just to compete in a tournament. Also, England do have an under-15 side. Kosack (talk) 11:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * As I said, there is no age group before under-17 in this classification system. Isherwood's matches in 2013 and 2014 (as 15 and 16 years old) counts as U17 as well. Sorry I missed England U15, but they don't seem to have a article here on Wikipedia. Anyhow, I strongy think that the Swedish FA is the most reliable source in this case, and therefore that the article should be changed. // Mattias321 (talk) 12:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The permanent merging of age groups seems a bit strange as there are sources claiming that Sweden were fielding an under-18 side as recently as last year . Although Sweden may primarily field the three main age groups, is there is a chance that a team was fielded at U15 level, U16 level, etc for whatever reason? Kosack (talk) 14:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * As I said before, no. You may classify it as a U15 or U16 match (as the English FA does), but the Swedish FA lump them together as U17. Strange or not, this is how the Swedish FA does it. And this system with three categories in Sweden dates back to the 1950's with ungdomslandskamper (youth, U21), juniorlandskamper (junior, U19) and pojklandskamper (boy, U17). And, as I stated before, many other UEFA countries use this praxis as well. And yes, the English FA will of course say that England U18 played against Sweden U18 as it makes sense in their own system. That doesn't mean the Swedish FA use this system for their players. And why should Soccerway be regarded as a more reliable source than the Swedish FA? After all, it's up to each national association how they classify their caps. All use the same praxis. Why should Thomas Isherwood be an exception? // Mattias321 (talk)</b></b> 20:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Mattias' explanation does seem to be consistent with other articles as I can't see any mention of U18, etc in another Swedish player article during a quick scan. Kosack (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2019 (UTC)