Talk:Thoughtworks

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I felt points #1, #2 and #4 in the Controversies Section were not, well, controversies.
 * 1) The part about Open Source has been edited and moved to the Open Source section. No where does TW make "claims of being a BIG open source contributor". Even if it did, BIG is a relative term which cannot be refuted by the justification that followed. Hence I did away with that phrase, rest of the wording remains intact. Let the reader draw a conclusion if the contributions are BIG or not from the information that follows.
 * 2) The part about Python isn't "controversial" in any way and has been moved to a newly created Technologies Section.
 * 3) Again, the part about Cruise isn't a "controversy" as reported by any media or discussed in any fora (If it is, then please cite). I haven't changed the wording of the paragraph, just relocated it to a newly created Cruise Section. [-hyfather] Hyfather (talk) 00:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Can an editor please explain why the 'Controversies' section is allowed on this page? It's clearly presented from a biased POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.143.220.130 (talk) 14:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I really hate to sound cynical, but it even seems like most of the comments on this talk page could be Thoughtworks employees discussing how to better punch up the listing to make it as persuasive as possible(?)

The article is also full of what really seems like "original research," i.e. knowledge based purely on personal experience and interpretation, without citing sources for many assertions.

Jupitermenace

No mention on Martin Fowler?

Yeah, we need to add Martin Fowler, Pramodkumar Sadalage, Obie Fernandez - well whoever has published or is going to publish. Maybe a separate publications section. Any info for the timeline would be appreciated too. I was figuring on including Martin first in the History section - he was the root of the switch to XP in '99 after all. DarkseidX 12:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, need to add content on sections
 * ThoughtWorks and Ruby on Rails
 * ThoughtWorks and Google Web Toolkit
 * ThoughtWorks training in general and the University in particular

Also need to check on the CFO - shouldn't it be Graham Webster? The official website says it's Eric Lougmiller DarkseidX 09:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Also adding important TW alumni like JoeWalnes, NatPryce, GregorHohpe and others might be a good idea.

Need some disambiguination info on Forte - is it the 4GL app server? Also more on the languages timeline and the interactions with Sun and Microsoft during the introductory phases of Java and .Net DarkseidX 05:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I am making an educated guess that Forte refers to Forte 4GL and am changing the link to reflect that. However, this needs to be checked. Twisted86 22:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

The 'culture' section is totally not NPOV 05:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.200.39.75 (talk • contribs).

"ThoughtWorks' culture is built around a belief that relationships between people are very important." I need some copy to follow - something like "As a consequence, ThoughtWorkers maintain personal relationships with peers around the world" or some such. I'm having trouble framing it. Essentially the impact it has on bridging tarditional communication problems and the (unsusually) high degree of feedback it engenders. DarkseidX 07:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

We need an NPOV review by an unbiased reader... especially segments in Culture, and TWU DarkseidX 07:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to cite some reliable sources for some of the material on corporate values? Stumps 10:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

ThoughtWorks and XP
Text currently says "Extreme Programming, the software engineering methodology practised by ThoughtWorks" ... but in the Bangalore photo I don't see anyone pairing? What's the story? Stumps 10:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Good point - I'll try to get a better one. This was taken during a lunch break - all the idle workstations in the picture are 'pairing' machines; laptops are mostly used for personal work. DarkseidX 12:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Cool. I thought it looked like the traditional "pair lunching" was in progress :) Stumps 12:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Something should probably be mentioned of their IPO which didn't happen, and the put which they are trying to figure out how to repay. See http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/(5iwbml55qliqzireoy5eoe45)/download.aspx?ID=79250 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.129.121.62 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree entirely. The company seems in some trouble to get out of this hole. Another relevant link: http://briandonovan.info/self-assembly/2006/08/02/thoughtworks-solving-the-put-issue/ --Rhebus 16:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:TW Logo noTag onBlk.jpg
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Controversies update
I propose the following addition to the current Controversies section since court decisions have been made:

This case was decided in 2006. The company then began a process to redeem preferred shares on a quarterly basis with what it determined to be the legally available funds for redemption. SVIP refused to provide the necessary documentation to receive payment for its redeemed shares although several other shareholders have done so. In 2007 SVIP initiated another suit to force the company to redeem all its shares at once.

In 2010 the Delaware court ruled in ThoughtWorks’ favor, and SVIP is appealing the decision to the Delaware Supreme Court.

Does anyone have other or different information before I do this? I am editing this on behalf of the company. Wordsugar (talk) 16:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup
Hi user:Sharialaw1. I noticed you were reverting my edits and thought maybe we could talk about it here.

We could start with the Controversies section. The only citations used for this section are court records and a quick Google News search did not reveal any independent, secondary sources, such as articles from established news articles, which would be especially prevalent of a requirement for highly contentious material. CorporateM (Talk) 01:29, 25 December 2013 (UTC)


 * IMO the controversy is not particularly notable. Could go. Wwwhatsup (talk) 09:50, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Jquraish (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Updating old page to remove dead links, fix inaccuracies, add updated text, improve citations, and link more internally.

In first paragraph, link from "contributed to a range of open source products" "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThoughtWorks#Open_source_contributions" appears to be broken. Please remove.

1980s to 1990s
In the late 1980s Roy Singham founded Singham Business Services as a management consulting company servicing the equipment leasing industry in a Chicago basement. According to Singham, after two to three years, Singham started recruiting additional staff and came up with the name ThoughtWorks in 1990. The company was incorporated under the new name in 1993 and focused on building software applications. Over time, ThoughtWorks' technology shifted from C++ and Forte 4GL in the mid-1990s to include Java in the late 1990s.

1990s to 2010s
Martin Fowler joined the company in 1999 and became its chief scientist in 2000. In 2001, ThoughtWorks agreed to settle a lawsuit by Microsoft for $480,000 for deploying unlicensed copies of office productivity software to employees.

Also in 2001, Fowler, Jim Highsmith, and other key software figures authored the Agile Manifesto. The company began using agile techniques while working on a leasing project. ThoughtWorks’ technical expertise expanded with the .NET Framework in 2002, C# in 2004, Ruby and the Rails platform in 2006. In 2002, ThoughtWorks chief scientist Martin Fowler wrote "Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture" with contributions by ThoughtWorkers David Rice and Matthew Foemmel, as well as outside contributors Edward Hieatt, Robert Mee, and Randy Stafford.

On 2 March 2007, ThoughtWorks announced Trevor Mather as the new CEO. Singham became Executive Chairman. Also in March 2007, Rebecca Parsons joined ThoughtWorks as Chief Technical Officer.

2010s to present
In 2010, Jim Highsmith joined ThoughtWorks. Also in 2010, CTO Parsons was named as one of Fast Company's "Most Influential Women in Technology". At the start of 2012, ThoughtWorks moved its 40-person sales team on straight salaries instead of commission. In early 2012, Aaron Swartz joined the company. In May 2012, Ken Collier joined the company.

In April 2013, ThoughtWorks announced a new collective leadership structure and appointed four co-Presidents of the global organization. The appointments followed the announcement that the then current CEO, Trevor Mather, was leaving ThoughtWorks to take up the role of CEO for the Trader Media Group.

In May 2013, Dr. David Walton was hired as Director of Global Health to "lead its practice in serving the technology needs of healthcare institutions in resource-poor environments." Walton has done work in Haiti since 1999, including helping establish a 300-room, solar-powered hospital and the establishment of a noncommunicable disease clinic. In 2015, Guo Xiao, who started as a developer in ThoughtWorks China in 1999, became the Chief Executive Officer and President. Also in 2015, Chinese marketing data company AdMaster acquired Chinese online form automation platform JinShuJu from ThoughtWorks.

ThoughtWorks has more than 3500 employees, working from 36 offices in 14 countries.Jquraish (talk) 21:40, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You seemed to proceed with making the edits even though nobody has reviewed them, which is not a good thing. I also don't seem to find the controversy section on the current version, so I'll have to add the COI template to the page. Regards, VB00 (talk) 08:42, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Tone on the Page
I am posting here to enlist help in removing promotional text from this page. Here are some areas that I am finding particularly promotional:


 * Recent History (2010s - Present)
 * Corporate Philosophy (COVID PR)
 * Buzzwords in Hiring
 * Buzzwords in Agile adoption
 * Promo in Continuous Integration
 * Open Source Software
 * Awards and Recognition

Thx 70.79.172.75 (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)