Talk:Timeline of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill

OUTDATED LINKS
Just passing through. I note that a number of the references are outdate, no longer display what they proport to, etc. especially on some items that may be somewhat controversial. Later. -Passer-by, Feb23, 2013154.20.243.40 (talk) 23:55, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

POV-Check
Can someone with some familiarity with this event evaluate the timeline to verify it is balanced? Thanks! Jminthorne (talk) 03:47, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there any basis to assume that it isn't balanced?-- Pink Bull  04:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * At a glance, I had trouble identifying the method for inclusion items in the timeline. I believe the line "May 11 - BP, Transocean and Haliburton officials testify before Congress blaming each other for the incident" (which after a second look does not appear to be supported by the citation) also made me feel it should be reviewed. Jminthorne (talk) 05:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I changed the reference. Business Week's headline is "BP, Halliburton, Transocean Blame Each Other in Gulf Oil Spill"  There are currently 52 rederences on this article.  Americasroof (talk) 11:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Sale of Tony Hayward's shares
Is the fact that Tony Hayward sold roughly 30% of his shares on March 17 relative? Jhendrix (talk) 01:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If he acted on information that wasn't public knowledge, the sale may be ruled as insider trading, which is illegal. USchick (talk) 19:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I deleted the line entirely. There is no evidence to suggest that Hayward's sale of stock was in any way related to the oil spill and thus should not be included in the timeline of events that lead to and followed the disaster. In fact, its inclusion in this article violates NPOV by implying that the CEO was engaged in insider training, when in reality he had no way of knowing the spill would occur. 208.69.104.5 (talk) 15:46, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This information is related to the explosion and oil spill if Tony Hayward know beforehand that something will happen. However, there is no such evidence. Therefore, I don't think this information belongs here and should be removed as irrelevant. Beagel (talk) 17:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It was the only item that I've put that I have qualms about and I only included it because of the initial post. There is interest in it but there is no cause/effect and no direct tie to the spill other than incredible timing.  If it's kept it should probably be clear that it was not illegal or imply that he somehow sabotaged the rig.Americasroof (talk) 17:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What I don't understand is why, despite the evident consensus that everyone on here agrees that this information should not be included (at least until some correlation with the spill is established, or even suggested by the mainstream media), someone keeps putting it back in the article. Deleting it again.208.69.104.5 (talk) 13:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no defined consensus. I have my concerns about the item but there is interest in it.  I don't like it being deleted "anonymously".Americasroof (talk) 14:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Article needed?
Many of the individual line items from this list seem non-notable. Has the need for this article in general been established somewhere? Jminthorne (talk) 03:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It was discussed here. Beagel (talk) 04:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that and wasn't sure if a consensus was reached elsewhere since the only reply was a "no" to the idea. Jminthorne (talk) 04:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The comment was a suggestion for sources for a timeline article. There's no requirement that you get a consensus before starting an article.Americasroof (talk) 11:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I put my comment on the main article's talk page. It seems that there are lot of details in this article which are irrelevant from the timeline point of view and belong rather to the main article. For readability, the timeline article needs extensive cleanup. Beagel (talk) 22:25, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Splitting the article
At this time before I run reflinks the article is 90K. I'm thinking of splitting it:
 * Timeline of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill (a table of contents article)
 * Timeline of the Deepwarter Horizon oil spill (up to May 31, 2010)
 * Timeline of the Deepwarter Horizon oil spill (June 2010)

I suspect the huge amount of press is about to trail off so after June it will probably go back to multimonth thereafter. The June portion is 50K now for two weeks! Beagle, I know you don't like me putting in so much info. But I'm trying to capture it in a relatively clinical format so we can keep track of what is actually happening. Americasroof (talk) 03:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No need for splitting yet. Most likely it possible to cut the article size significantly by proper cleanup. E.g. there is no need to mention every time when the site is mentioned, where exactly it is located or how deep the water is. These things will not change by time-being, at least not in the short run. Also, I really don't understand how the Tony Hayward's shares sale is related to the oil spill (and yes, by my understanding there is clear consensus to remove this from the article). There are several similar things and therefore critical copyediting and cleanup is needed. Beagel (talk) 06:42, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:Size says it needs to be split. When it hits 100K I will split it (it's 96K now).  If somebody wants to create a different simple timeline that can also be done.  This article names names and gives dates and is heavily referenced.  This is a very complex issue.  The "instant analysis" that people try to impose on Wikipedia creates all sorts of mischief and inaccuracies.  The spill main article has all sorts of problems and I think often doesn't properly cover the nuts and bolts.  There's still no consensus on the Hayward stuff. There's both pro and con.  I adjusted it to my satisfaction in the article. It's been edited again.Americasroof (talk) 13:31, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. The more I think about the barebone timeline with main article spinoffs into more detailed timelines is actually a good idea and when I split it that will be my intention.Americasroof (talk) 13:37, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Size is certainly an issue but as the spill is still ongoing I think that it would be better still wait and see what would be the logical point of time for splitting. May 31 is in middle of progressing events and is not associated with any breakthrough event in the process. Maybe there would be any better point for splitting. Beagel (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I do value your opinions and appreciate your considerable work in cleaning the article. I was thinking of splitting on months and using as this article as a very top level timeline.  I can't imagine it will continue with the same amount of info coming online.  I will hold off for the momemnt.02:22, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * At 125K I had to split it. I'm still committed to eventually making this a barebones timeline with spin offs.Americasroof (talk) 02:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Coast Guard logs
New data out from Center of Integrity obtained from Coast Guard: http://www.publicintegrity.org/documents/entry/2124/#document/p42  Hope this helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.13.68.101 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 22 June 2010
 * That is an excellent source! Thank you! 17:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Too long, too detailed
This article is getting out of hand. Is it really necessary to have detailed blow-by-blow accounts of what is happening every day, so much so that June and now July need their own articles? I believe the purpose of this encyclopedia is to summarise what happened and point readers in the direction of more detailed information in reliable sources. It is worth remembering Wikipedia is not the news. As it stands, a lot of the content if this page (and subpages) could be moved to Wikinews or deleted. Astronaut (talk) 11:30, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Merge / Fork
I think the merges out are a extreme and create massive overlaps in coverage making accuracy, updating, and maintenance a nightmare. I've added merge proposals to consolidate these. If the information's getting too detailed, perhaps someone needs to consolidate it better to the key points. Shadowjams (talk) 01:37, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have maintained all along that the timeline portion can/should be a barebones main article with more detail on the subpages. This is a very complicated issue.  There's an unfortunate aspect to Wikipedia that editors feel compelled to instantly analyze current events and the result is usually unreadable.Americasroof (talk) 01:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

relevance of MMS retirements
I believe the retirements of Birnbaum and Oynes, and particularly Oynes, are relevant to this timeline. Oynes announced his retirement almost immediately after the initial rig explosion and then re-announced it on May 17th with a new hurry-up date. I believe that, at a minimum, the 2nd announcement dated May 17 should stay in the database. DocWhom (talk) 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

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