Talk:Tina Turner/Archive 1

I wrote something
Do not delete write something ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericd (talk • contribs) 02:08, 8 September 2002 (UTC)
 * I wrote something. Not much, but something.  --KQ 02:16 Sep 8, 2002 (UTC)

She was in one of the Mad Max movie but wich one ?
 * The last one, about the Thunderdome.  --KQ

What is a "mythical single"? soulpatch

The 'BEF' link currently refers to the 'British Expeditionary Force' rather than the 'British Electric Foundation'... though it would be funny if she had collaborated with the former. FriedBunny 23:54, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've changed the BEF link to Heaven 17. I'm still trying to imagine the British Expeditionary Force teaming up with Tina Turner. Willard 22:47, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Geeez I started knowing this great artist since my elementary school days. SHE IS A REAL PERFORMER !

Is Tina Turner is still singing, i mean churning out hits??? Gosh !!

Gay Icon Project
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Question on intro
Should Tina Turner be identified as Native American in the article? Like myself, she has Native grandparents, but having Native ancestors does not make one Native. First Nations folks have a very specific experience with oppression that most Black folks know nothing about, even though we face racial oppression too.

Consider this: Most white Southerners have African and Native ancestry, but would we dare call them Black or Indian? No! Most people would never make that mistake.


 * They're her grandparents, so that's close enough to make it notable. Plus, she does have Native features as well. I have only one Native American great grandparent, admidst an otherwise African-American family line, so I don't really claim anything else but Black. --FuriousFreddy 16:35, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ike & Tina Turner discography?
Where should the albums and singles information for music released under the Ike & Tina Turner name be listed (i.e. "River Deep - Mountain High", "Proud Mary", etc.)? --FuriousFreddy 16:46, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nutbush
Tina Turner was born in Nutbush. Snoop 18:14, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Buddhism of

 * According to SGI-USA, she's a Nichiren Buddhist. Can anyone confirm that?Gammadion 14:09, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's well known. Here's cbs news: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/09/11/60minutes/main232429.shtml ~Syl 11/10/05

For information on the Buddhism practiced by Tina Turner, here is the SGI-USA website. http://www.sgi-usa.org/

Erwin Bach
Does anyone know something about Erwin Bach????

He's a German born EMI Records Executive, 16 years younger then Tina Turner. He's already said he's in love [luve]with anna mae bullock aka tina turner.He broke down that wall of pain that ike turner put up against tina turner.Erwin and Tina they've been together for 20 years they make a beautiful couple.They've been with each other for as long as i've been born 22 years.

182 Million People for a Single Concert?
There's no way 182 million people paid to see a Tina Turner concert. But they did. There isn't a venue in the world that could house that many people (Maracana Stadium in Rio seats about 180-184 thousand). Cite?

Yes, it was 182,000 not million. --Kentucky1333 21:32, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

She did hold the record by drawing that 182,000 (not 182 million) fans to her Break Every Rule tour at the huge Maracana Municipal Stadium in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I guess that was in 1988. That was in a single show by a single performer alone. This particular show was also released on video and now DVD too. Check it out. It was I guess one of the greatest & most massive one-night rock & roll show I have ever seen. I do not know whether any other performer broke this record for a single show. From this show onwards Tina Turner continued to be identified with massive crowd concerts in huge stadiums.

Tyler Jeter
I don't think the information about Tyler Jeter belongs in the introduction, plus it doesn't really read as encyclopedic. I did a quick check on google and couldn't find a listing on Tyler Jeter, and he doesn't pop up on imdb, either. Therefore, I'm removing the mention. YggdrasilsRoot 02:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * There's no such thing as a "great great cousin" so I'm deleting the new mention, too. I don't think Tyler Jeter is a person of interest, since I could find no mention of him elsewhere (no google, no IMDB, and this is supposed to be someone in the movie industry). If someone could provide a credible source, I would maybe feel differently, but as it stands, I see no need for this inclusion.  It doesn't add anything to the article and actually sounds like a vanity link/mention.  Even with a source, I don't think it has any place in the introductory paragraph - it's trivia, which is what the trivia section is for. YggdrasilsRoot 18:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

It was actually 188 000 people

The Best
According to german wikipedia The Best was #15 in the US. Here it says #6. Who's right? 217.190.180.234 11:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The name can be german
Sandra Bullock said Playboy the name comes from Germany... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.24.19.103 (talk • contribs).

Goldeneye
This section of the article needs to be cleaned up. "Tina looking gorgeous" and whatnot is not my version of neutral point of view... 77.110.48.71 (talk) 09:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Dates? Tina 's marriage to Ike Turner
On Ike's wiki page it says 62-78. I think it also says 62-78 on imdb. Do we have concrete confirmed marriage dates? Tina married Ike in Mexcio, but he was still legally married in US to Lorraine Taylor, so did Tina have 2 remarry him? _Lilkunta 17:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

"Tina Tawanda!!! AHH!! :) is the top-selling solo act in music history."
Actually, that's Michael Jackson or Elvis Presley (most commonly awarded to Michael Jackson). Who the hell writes this incorrect crap? And where is the source for that claim? I'm rather sure that Janet Jackson has also outsold Tina Turner, as has Celine Dion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.124.78.90 (talk) 09:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

Check the sources dumb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.11.102.61 (talk) 00:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Selected filmography
As per Wikipedia is not a collection of lists, I have reduced the "Filmography" section to just the films that have Wiki articles, and renamed it to "Selected filmography" ... people can click the IMDb External link at the end of the article to see the subject's full filmography with links to information about each of their films.

I have also used  19xx  tags for the years of the films, something that Some Other Editors do not appear to understand, since they seem to think that just linking  19xx  somehow has encyclopedic value. "Anonymous edits without comments may be reverted by anyone."

I am placing this boilerplate message on this Discussion page before I actually make the changes, so that I can just put "see Discussion page" in the edit summary, and hopefully not have my edit summarily reverted as vandalism by Some Other Editor.

Janet outselling Tina Turner? Don't make me laugh. She has sold more concert tickets than any other woman and most men in history! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.36.133.35 (talk) 14:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Race
Why do you guys have her as african american? are you doing the one drop rule. She is 3/4 Native American and 1/4 Black. She is not full black —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * If you have a citation from a reliable source for that, feel free to change the article to match while adding the citation. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 01:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Black is her social racial identity. She was socialized as Black as were her recent ancestors. Black isn't an actual bloodline. It's a label, an identity and she's been known as nothing less than for the span of her career. She's Black; African-American with a multi-ethnic/racial heritage. Relir 22:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Most African Americans have some Indian ancestry. Slave breeding began in the 1790s, and many of the original slave mothers were Indians.  After emancipation, many freed slaves became members of Indian tribes.  A person's ancestry can be less than 25% African (the rest being a mix of Indian, White, and Chinese), and will be called African American.  However, if she has three grandparents who were considered Indian, then she would be considered Indian.  — Randall Bart (talk) 19:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Tina participated in the series African American Lives 2 program that aired on PBS and she found out that she has no Native American ancestry, although she and her family always believed that they did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.3.222 (talk) 05:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The previous commentator is absolutely right. Tina Turner found out that she had no Native American ancestry in the series African American Lives 2. They also pointed out that most African Americans do not, in fact, have Native American ancestry (although they like to believe so). Actually, African Americans are much more likely to have European ancestors. The host of the program discovered that he was 50% European! Drumdiva (talk) 17:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

For sure Tina Turner is the top-selling solo act of all time.
tina turner has sold more concert tickets than any other performer there is, MORE THAN MADONNA,CHER,ELTON JHON,BRIAN ADMAMS,MICHEL JACKSON AND JANET JACKSON, ETC...it was stated during an interview at the canada AM.the video of the interview is avalable on youtube. she also holds the record of drawing the biggest paying audience to a one night concert alone.
 * That does not make her the biggest selling solo artist of all time. Sales is based an 'record' sales, and even if the 150 million is correct, it is way off the known figures for any of many other solo artists, male and female. Refer List of best-selling music artists. Stop adding this falsehood to the article. As for biggest selling concert artist, also probably not true, so a reference is required, or it should be removed. I believe that worldwide, this title belongs to the Rolling Stones, and probably in the USA it is her, but that is for one country only. Maggott2000 22:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have been through 1,000+ net sites, and there is little data on overall sales. Those I did find rane from 50m to 66m. Nothing like the 150 million reported. I have linked to the two highest found. Most others say 50m. Please note that the linking to List of best-selling music artists as a reference is not allowed as considered a non verified source. Also, the information was wrong on that page also, so amended to suit. Maggott2000 00:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have reversed the following comments "biggest female artist in Europe". The preceeding statement to this does NOT make her the biggest, nor is she as per above. Removed "biggest solo act of all time". Again not true as per list of best selling artists. Removed (not including sales from Ike and Tina Revue) as it already specifies from 1984 onwards. Maggott2000 01:44, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Total sales of 150 million
I have removd this for the following reasons. That as a solo artist she sold 60 million, then this means that prior to her solo career she would have had to sell 90 million. Within RIAA, there are no creditations for any of the earlier albums, so it is not even remotely possible to have been achieveable without sales in the American market. It should also be noted that if 90 million was achieved, Ike and Tina Turner would have been one of the biggest sellers of the 60/s and 70's. Also not possible Maggott2000 20:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Minor clean up
After fixing some small details, I went for a minor clean up. All picture headings were in bold type (no other Wikipage has that) and there were a few POV statements. --Soetermans 20:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Albums sales data
The data showing is neither referenced or accurate. Should some detail be found, then it should be added. "Foreign Affair" said 10m, ref says 6m. "Private Dancer" only 2 sources say 20m, all others say 10 - 11 million only. "All the Best" says 5m, but was not a best selling album in 2004 or 2005 (Refer UWC ). "Break Every Rule" says 15m. Sold 3m in the US, 400,000 in Germany, and 600,000 in the UK. these being the three largest markets (and Japan, but foreign sales are not big there), it is not even plausable to have sold this amount of albums sales worldwide. Maggott2000 04:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

180 million in sales
This source says that Tina Turner sold 180 million albums worldwide, this is a verifiable sourcethe information was taken from her own biography. If somebody disagree please leave a comment in my talk page. Salmoria 2 july 2007(UTC)
 * It is a verifiable source. I do not consider it realistic, but wikipedia is not about truth, it is about verifiable sources. One could debate that the authors of the article are not subject matter experts in this field, as they are technical writers, but you can argue that for nearly all referencing. Maggott2000 19:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

This 180 million record sales needs to be corrected. I love Tina Turner, but she by-no-all-means has sold 180 million albums! That would mean she has sold more than Whitney Houston, Madonna, and Mariah Carey and that is simply not true. These three artists are in the 150-160 million range and they have had numerous big selling albums, not just one big album like Tina (What's Love Got To Do With It) and a few moderately selling albums like Tina. And trust me, I love Tina. But if this article is referring to her album and single sales added together, then that needs to be stated like: ...total album and single sales combined of 180 million. or something to that effect. Proper writing requires letting the reader know what you are actually stating, and not leading the reader into a false interpretation. It makes no sense to read a few different articles and, for example, it states Act A has "110 million albums sold"; then read Act B's article and it states "130 million records sold". This will lead many readers to believe Act B sold more albums than Act A, when in reality Act A sold 110 million albums and 50 million singles, and Act B sold 80 million albums and 40 million singles. If you are not telling the reader you are combining figures, it leads to a false impression that Act B has sold more albums than Act A. This is because many people will read records to mean actual albums. The definition (rightfully) can go either way: albums only or albums and singles combined. There is no problem with Tina's statistics showing her albums and singles combined; it just needs to be stated it's being relayed that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 (talk) 00:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Top Forties
From Pvt. Dancer...did Tina not have 6 Top 40 hits..... The questionable on is I Can't Stand The Rain.....  I am sure it went Top 40 on the Hot 100 ....let me know....

I Can't Stand the Rain was not released as a single in the United States. -Beethovenrox —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beethovenrox (talk • contribs) 20:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

It DID NOT in the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.216.188.251 (talk) 21:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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Album sales
I have found many verifiable sources saying different things and numbers, i changed some sales in different albums using the highest numbers found related with the album sales. Salmoria 21:04 4 july (UTC)

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180million+5million
i eddited the 180m adding more 5 million of her "all the best" album, she had 180m by 2000 and "all the best" was released in 2005 and sold over 5 million copies. Salmoria 21:25 8 july 2007

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First son
According to this, her first son (with Raymond Hill) was born in 1958 not 1960, which would make more sense given the timing of her involvement with Ike. Ghmyrtle 11:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

On the name "Tina Turner"
This is a brain dump of the absolute truth as I know it. Much may be wrong, and I am not going to edit the page. It is probably slanted toward Ike's side of the story. It is provided as grounds for further research. I refer to Tina Turner as "Anna" to be unambiguous.

Ike created the name "Ike and Tina Revue" and named the singer in the act "Tina". There was at least one singer other than Anna who played the role of Tina on stage in the Ike and Tina Revue, before Ike married Anna. She wasn't called Tina Turner until after the marriage, and no one else was called Tina Turner, but Ike claims that she cannot use the stage name Tina Turner, because that was her name as part of the act and not her legal name. (She could call herself Anna Turner, if she wanted.)

Anna had walked out on the tour and would likely be found liable for damages. Ike was threatening to cease selling anything where she had royalties, and he had both that right and that temperment. She would need to build her career with a new name, while paying Ike for damages, while Ike is performing with a new woman named Tina Turner. This is why Anna gave up all her royalties for past work and her share of Ike's millions stashed all over the world in exchange for the name Tina Turner.— Randall Bart (talk) 20:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Most of that is true. But what was left out is that Tina (I will call her "Tina" as she has been going by that name longer than she's been going by Anna) could have possibly won in court and would NOT have to pay damages to Ike for walking out on him on tour. Her life and health were at stake as she was consistently being beaten. For instance, what if I hired you to fix and upgrade 100 computers in my office and it was going to take you three months to do so. Now what if I beat you every day you came in, and you ended up in the hospital on a few occasions, so you stop coming. I cannot realistically expect to win in court because you didn't finish fixing my computers. What most likely WOULD happen is: You will get to keep the money you've earn so far for the computers you did actually fix; or you will get paid in full on the contracted amount, even though you didn't finish, because it was due to MY behavior that you couldn't finish fixing the computers. And let's not forget, in Ike and Tina's situation, he had money tucked away alright, but they also owed lots of money to the record company. Tina was half responsible for this because she was part of the act as well, even though Ike never personally shared much of the money with her (the record company has nothing to do with that, however). So Tina may have walked away from what money Ike did manage to put away, but she also walked away from the debt he had accrued in THEIR names. At this point Tina left Ike in 1976, and she was now divorcing him in 1978. She didn't need this to drag on any longer. Essential she wanted nothing to do with Ike whatsoever, and getting spousal support payments from him, or working on business deals he started while they were married would have kept him in some part of her life. So she walked away from it all; the money and the debt.

Yes, Ike did think of the stagename Tina for his lead female singer in the group because he like how it sounded with Turner. Whatever woman singer he had in the band, she was going to be called Tina. There was a different woman (women) during the early years before success, but it didn't last because she was either tired of the abuse by Ike and left, or maybe she was not as good. Either way, when Anna became Tina Turner, it was not only a boon for her but she took Ike to levels he had never known before either. So a judge allowing her to keep the name after their split was a fair tradeoff. After years of abuse and raising the children (some of which she was not the mother of) she left, figuring she could one day make a living with the name she worked hard for. And she was right; after releasing a couple of sub-par performing albums, she released "Private Dancer" and she was back, and her career was still successful for several years after that. Even now, she can likely sell-out an arena. She ended up richer (in more ways than one) than Ike Turner ever did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 (talk) 20:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

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I like Tina but two things I wanted to point out. First, it states Tina is a singer, dancer, actress, songwriter, and entertainer in the intro. No need to list "entertainer" because if someone does all the aforementioned things that makes them an entertainer. Its like saying someone is a surgeon, and then saying they are also a "doctor". That's obvious. So if she's an entertainer, what exactly is she doing outside of the things already named? Secondly, it states the sales for "Private Dancer" are 10-11 million or 20 million. That's a big gap, and the article loses a little credibility with a statement like that. If sales can be given for other albums released by other artists, then how come they don't know if "PD" sold 10 million or 20 million. That's bologny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 22:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

INTRODUCTION
I took offense to the "long, well-proportioned legs" part, which seems to absurdly objectify her and does not have a source (i.e. who says that she is well known for her legs?). I can't imagine an encyclopedia entry making the same reference for a man. I tried taking this out, but it was reverted without comment. Fair enough, but I'd like to hear why this sexist nonsense should remain.
 * The entire sentence is ridiculous. "...her instantly identifiable powerful voice, her amazing and spectacular rock concerts, and for her long, well-proportioned legs"
 * That needs to be fixed. Buyable
 * I agree the reference to her legs seems silly, but her legs are well known in popular culture. She had a long-standing deal with Hanes I think modeling pantyhose and did many commercials.--Lindsay 04:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I dont like the wording either, but it's true and better than 'nice legs' and I think its a bit silly to expect a source or citation for this sort of information (If I say the world is round, do I need to quote my sources?). --Dutchdavey (talk)

Herbie Hancock's River: The Joni Letters Grammy noms
Shouldn't it be included in the article that Herbie Hancock's album to which Tina contributed earned several Grammy nominations this year (50th Annual Grammy Awards), including Album of the Year, and that Tina is cited among the featured artists in this particular nomination? See reference http://www.grammy.com/GRAMMY_Awards/50th_Show/list.aspx - Lila, in December 13th, 2007.

This doesnt go under this category but does fit the grammy information. Tina Turner DID NOT win four grammy awards in 1985 and she IS NOT a winner of 8 grammies (unless you count We Are the World and Princes Trust and then she would be a 10 time grammy winner). Tina won best rock vocal, best pop, and record of the year (that she shared with Terry Britten). SONG OF THE YEAR was not a win for her. It was a win for the songwriters. I wish someone would correct this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.129.225 (talk) 03:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Now, it's actually a win! It won the Grammy for Best Album of the year! Please, that IS worthy of mentioning in the article. Turner was one of the featured artists in the best album of 2007! - Lila, in February 11th, 2008.

I agree. Someone should add that Tina has won a Grammy! It is one of the most important awards in the music business, and Tina hasn't won one since 1988! Check out the official Grammy Award Winners Database for the reference:

Ike's Comments about Tina
I just heard a reairing of an interview with Ike Turner from the 1990s on Fresh Air and he claims that Tina Turner's real name is Nell something. He also says that they were never officially married at all, it was what we would consider a common law marriage (my term, not his). It was interesting because Terry Gross was citing basic biographical information about Tina that he said wasn't true which is odd because they weren't any pieces of information that would reflect badly on him, he was just correcting what he thought was misinformation. Either this bio information is incorrect or his memory started fading when he got older. --Nwjerseyliz (talk) 21:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * He claimed that her original name was not Anna Mae Bullock, but Martha Nell Bullock. Badagnani (talk) 01:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)