Talk:Tokyo subway

Ambiguity
Sorting this out will become a little difficult soon, since "Tokyo subway" is an umbrella term for all subways in Tokyo, while (effective April 1st 2004) "Tokyo Subway Co. Ltd" is the new name of largest operator Eidan -- and just to make life easier, they'll be calling themselves "Tokyo Metro", not to be confused with the Tokyo Metropolitan Bureau of Transportation of course... Ideas? Jpatokal 09:34, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Separate administration of two systems
The separate administration of two subway systems in the same city is unique in the world, says the article, but at least the Yokohama Subway has multiple operators as well. Any others? Jpatokal 15:12, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Nothing new under the sun
Wasn't it the case that, for many years, New York had two subway systems (the IRT and the BMT)--and then a third (the IND)--before it all came under the MTA? Even today, the PATH is a separate system that connects downtown Manhattan with New Jersey. 4.243.206.179 08:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Merging with Underground railway(metro/subway) of Tokyo
The Rt.Hon. 210.149.190.137, Esp. has suggested that this page be merged with Underground railway(metro/subway) of Tokyo (a direct copy of this page), but has offered no rationale. So I've redirected his/her/its version here. Jpatokal 03:43, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * The wordings of the two article are not identical. I myself prefer the wordings of the removed one instead of this one.


 * Why do you prefer them? Jpatokal 08:59, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Unique?
QUOTE
 * The separate administration of two metro (subway) systems in the same city is unique in the world and causes several annoyances for customers:


 * Double ticketing: The two systems cannot be used with the same ticket. An additional 90 or 100 yen is charged if one switches to a line in the other system regardless how short the whole ride might be.
 * Both systems represent the metro network with different maps in stations, trains or customer information brochures. The schematisms used to represent the line network focus on the system's respective own lines, making orientation difficult when changing the system. For example, in the Toei maps, the Toei Oedo Line is represented as a circle in the centre, implying a key function for Tokyo's whole public transport system, while in Tokyo Metro's map, the Oedo Line follows more its natural rectangular layout. Here, the centre line is the JR Yamanote Line.

ENDQUOTE

Jpatokal pointed above the Yokohama system is administered separately as well. Another example would be MTR and KCRC in Hong Kong.

oops image
Made a poste about image wasn't logged/something strange h'ppnd i'll check in later. Schlüggell | Talk 07:19, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Anyway, I've found one image in the necessary mem-size, that is legible, from 1999; its a wallpaper for personal use. Do I need to put my Japanese hat on for permission? Otherwise all the images I've found are huge-graphics aren't my thing, if someone could point me in the right direction. Schlüggell | Talk 00:45, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Terrorism
Shouldn't there be a section or at least a mention of the 1995 Tokyo subway chemical terrorist attacks? http://www.opcw.org/resp/html/japan.html

Female-only Carriages?
I've just read a single sentance in an article on a news site, that there are female-only carriages in the Tokyo subway? is this really true? Toby Douglass 11:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, see e.g. this page. Fg2 12:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The female only cars are not unique to Tokyo. I know personally that they are in opperation (during certain time periods) in Osaka and Tokyo on JR lines. 68.3.71.150 13:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have one or two photos on Commons, including Osaka and/or Wakayama. Not sure where they are, but maybe Train/Japan. Markings on the cars saying "women only" or the like. Fg2 20:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, bloody hell! what's the situation or problem that leads to this solution by the Metro company?  Toby Douglass 22:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * &rarr; Chikan. Jpatokal 02:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Number of stations?
The numbers of stations don't add up. The article gives these numbers: Metro: 168; Toei: 106; TWR: 8; Total: 168 Fg2 20:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed. And gave the whole article a major work-over. Jpatokal 04:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll say. Nice work! Fg2 07:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Busiest Station

 * The busiest station in the network is Ikebukuro Station, which averages 465,000 subway passengers daily.

I deleted this. It is unclear whether Ikebukuro is the busiest with 468,526 Metro passengers comparing to Shinjuku with 238,421 Metro passengers plus 340,175 Toei passengers. I hesitate to simply claim Shinjuku's victory because Metro and Toei stations in Shinjuku are so isolated that they don’t look like a single station. --Sushiya 02:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Difficulty comparing ridership
In the London Underground system, the ridership is stated as an annual number. Here it is stated as a daily amount. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.76.152 (talk) 13:31, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

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Combined "Tokyo Subway" page (confusing/incorrect??)
I am posting here after reading the Talk page on the Tokyo Metro page. I have added the below comments on that page and am posting it here too, only changing references such as "this page" so it is clear which page I am referring to. Happy to discuss anything further.

A long outstanding task from 15 years ago! I regularly visit the Tokyo Metro page but had never seen this Tokyo Subway page before. I disagree with User:Mkill as the Tokyo Subway page is confusing and misleading. I think having the combined info is far less user-friendly as the 2 subway systems are completely separate entities with different fares/ticketing/etc - a novice reader will think the 2 subway systems are 1 combined entity and will be confused & frustrated to find out that almost all tickets/passes only work on 1 of the systems, station maps/information mostly only show info for that subway operator, etc.

There are many confusing statements on this Tokyo Subway page. E.g.:


 * - "The Tokyo subway (東京の地下鉄, Tōkyō no chikatetsu) is a part of the extensive rapid transit system that consists of..." - there is actually no such thing as "The Tokyo Subway", a made-up term repeated many times through the article.


 * - under the list of lines it shows a number of other lines which essentially operate as a "subway" line but aren't included, some of which are "through services" to other company's lines, some are distinct systems, and even the JR Yamanote line is included. It is an arbitrary decision to just include the two major subway operators in that article - given the complex nature of Tokyo's rail system, if the intent of that article is to provide user-friendly information to novice readers on rail services in the inner Tokyo area then it should include services to Tokyo Waterfront/Odaiba (Yurikamome/Rinkai), tourist's favourite Yamanote line, etc.


 * - "Both the Tokyo Metro and Toei Subway systems are closely integrated with a unified system of line colors, line codes, and station numbers" - the unified line codes & colours extend across all (~30?) train companies in Tokyo, not just these two systems.

TL/DR; I can't see the point of this combined Tokyo Subway page comprising just the 2 largest subway/Metro companies benefits readers. Apart from the duplication of information, the made-up name "The Tokyo Subway" doesn't actually exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kc3302 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Lead sentence
The article currently starts with Two rapid transit systems (Japanese: 地下鉄, Hepburn: chikatetsu) operate in Tokyo: Tokyo Metro and the Toei Subway, which is simply wrong: there are a lot more than these two. What distinguishes them from all the rest is that they are primarily underground and referred to as such in Japanese (地下鉄) and English (subway). Jpatokal (talk) 23:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)