Talk:Toronto Blue Jays/Archive 1

Sabermetrically
Derek, "sabermetrically" refers to "sabermetrics", which is a term referring to the use of advanced baseball statistics to analyze baseball. It was coined from the acryonym SABR, for the Society for American Baseball Research. A quick google search for sites like http://www-math.bgsu.edu/~albert/papers/saber.html should give you a good idea of what is being referred to, basically that the Ricciardi is trying to use a more scientific approach to his job. Dze27 19:31 Nov 30, 2002 (UTC)

World series banners
I've uploaded a photo I took of the WS banners for use on this page to replace the current image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:28may07_jaysbanners.jpg. If not please remove it from wikip because I don't know how to.

I've also got 1,000+ photos I took at the Rogers Center this year at Jays games... I have pretty good quality photos that can be used here if requested. For example I have nice shots of the Frank Thomas 500 display that can replace the current low quality photo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ErikH6 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Level of Excellence
Wow, someone needs to fix the Level of Excellence. Hinske on the level already? Ha. --Madchester 03:52, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)

Growing Pains
"The Toronto Blue Jays came into existence in 1976 as one of two teams slated to join the American League for the next season (the other being the Seattle Mariners). Toronto had been mentioned as a major league city several times in the previous century and had been home to the Toronto Maple Leafs of the International League from 1930 to 1967. The San Francisco Giants were considering a move to the city until the team was purchased by Bob Lurie in 1976." Previous 'century'? Is this correct or should it be decade? Seems like a big jump to go from the late 1800s to 1976...
 * It was the Seattle Pilots . Not the Mariners why does this correction keep getting un corrected?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alderwood (talk • contribs).
 * If you are referring to the Blue Jays expansion cousins, it was the Mariners, not the Pilots. The Seattle Pilots were an expansion team in 1969 that became the Milwaukee Brewers after only one year. Resolute 04:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm usually more careful. I do know that the Seattle Metropolitans were the first American team to win the stanley cup (Alderwood)

Brantley
I heard one a broadcast that Brantley was also the outfield coach; he basically tells the outfielders whether to play deep or shallow depending on the situation. Do teams really have an outfield coach, cuz I've never heard of that before. --Madchester 21:16, 2005 May 5 (UTC)

No there is no such thing as an outfield coach. Some teams however have a bench coach, which I guess do the simple things that the manager is too busy to do. Mickey Brantley is currently the hitting coach for the Blue Jays. Croat Canuck 05:02, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

"Outfield coach"? What a cushy job. Where do I sign up? I could spend all game just waving a scorecard, a la Connie Mack, sending them either out or in. d:) Wahkeenah 05:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC) The Seattle PILOTS not Mariners The Pilots became the Milwaukee Brewers. You can look it up!

Record
Is someone going to be updating the record and roster on a regular basis? --Madchester 01:46, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

I've deleted the current year's record several times now. Information that changes this frequently does not belong here, it is of no use whatsoever. It should be added once the season is complete, since the data will not change after that point. Mind matrix  01:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

2003 Season
This really shouldn't be in the present tense anymore.
 * Be bold--Will2k 19:37, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Rivals
With the new division weighted schedule, I don't know how much of a rivalry we have with teams outside of the AL East. --Madchester July 8, 2005 05:30 (UTC)

Removed "Rivals" listing
I removed the "Rivals" listings at the top. We know who their division rivals are already because of the MLB template on the page. As for geographic rival, the Blue Jays did not play the Expos for the vast majority of their years together in the big leagues, other than for the exhibition Pearson Cup (which probably deserves a mention somewhere but doesn't neatly fit into the existing headers). The concept of a rivalry is a subjective one and while it could be given some treatment in the article I don't think that it goes well with the other facts at the top of the page. Dze27 16:42, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

The "Rivalries Fairy" struck all 30 ball team sites yesterday after a period of dormancy. It makes sense to have separate articles about specific and long-lasting rivalries, and that has already been done: Yankees-Bosox, Cubs-Cardinals, Cubs-Chisox, and especially Giants-Dodgers, the Mother of All Baseball Rivalries. Other so-called "rivalries" tend to be short-lived and situational. For example, I could argue for a Jays-A's rivalry... if it were 1989 right now. Wahkeenah 17:11, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Annual History
Ideally, I think it would be the best if 2004 and 2005 could be trimmed down to the length of the 2002/2003 seasons. Maybe in the future we could leave the immediate pass two years as a longer, more detailed history, but the rest could be stubs. Canadian popcan 02:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

2006 Season
Will they stay in Toronto or will they move?, and what about added the 2006 Season to the article? anyone help thanks. Maoririder 20:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Where did you hear that they are even thinking of moving? This is not the Montreal Expos, and have a stable ownership and fan base. SFrank85 02:50, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

2006 Season Title
Anyone have ideas on what we should label the new year? I was thinking 2006: A New Hope... - BTerran

Recent History
I plan on trimming the recent year articles by some margin. There are some notes to mention over the past couple of years, but the details are way too gory right now. If anything articles about the championship run should be at this length instead of the current status. Anyone object? I'll leave this up for a few days, before I make the edit final. Wxthewx99 17:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Great Blue Jays Message Boards
Seeing that the message board on the official Jays website is usually flooded with spam, I suggest you register and talk with other refugees from the official board.Just click on this link : http://diehardbaseball.com

World Series Predictions
Ken Rosenthal from Fox Sports has picked the Toronto Blue Jays to win the 2006 World Series. [] Should this be included in the article somewhere? --M vopni 17:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Heading titles
Is it just me, or do heading titles such as "A New Hope" seem borderline POV. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia entry about the team - some of these make it seem more like a fansite. --mtz206 (talk) 20:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Historical Corrections
I corrected erroneous information under the "Getting Competitive" and "We're Heading to the Dome!!!" sections of the franchise history. In 1988, the Jays did not finish second in the division, but tied the Brewers for third. A visit to the Baseball Reference site or even the Wikipedia article 1988 in baseball confirms this. I accordingly also eliminated just as in 1988 from the part in "We're Heading to the Dome!!!" that said that in 1990 the Jays finished second to the Red Sox. Gujuguy 01:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Season-by-Season recrods
I think this would be an important addition to the article. Can anyone do that?

The Sabermetric Regime
Is it just me, or does the Sabermetric Regime section seem just a WEE bit too long? I mean, it's great to have detail, but season-by-season records just seem to be too much. The pages of other teams don't nearly have this much detail on individual seasons, if at all. I propose paring down the entire section to the size of the other sections, with a similar structure (just small/passing overviews of seasons and memorable occurrences from the period, in this case 2002 to the present day). Anybody object? Gujuguy 03:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Too Much Information
The lengthy, year by year synopsis of the 2003-2006 seasons goes into a fantastic amount of detail, that is all very irrelevent to the main Toronto Blue Jays article. I can understand more lengthy submissions about invidiual seasons like 1985, 1988, 1991, 1992 or 1993 when the team had much more significant moments.

I posted on this originally in February to no response, and I call out again to posters to give me some feedback. I seriously think it needs to be shortned or rerouted to their own individual, year by year accounts like 2003 in Toronto Blue Jays history (if posters are so inclined).

A current events section could also be added as it appears on other clubs pages. Feedback from folks with the same or opposing opinion, are requested. I do not want revert wars to begin.

--Wxthewx99 05:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, the page is currently at 37kb total. Check out Article_size, it may be helpful in considerations. Though I don't have much time to lend personally to research or work on this sort of endeavour, I'm inclinded to support any changes that make the page more closely resemble other MLB team pages while at the same time not "losing" any unique information. BigNate37 15:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * There shouldn't be a current events section. Wikipedia is not a news agency. As far as reducing the size of the article, the history section can be a summarized with a main article of the History of Toronto Blue Jays. Kingjeff 16:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

www.jaysfever.com
We are people from www.jaysfever.com. We would like to have our site url added in the external links of this article if all possible. Thanks.


 * Though small in terms of original content, your site seems to fit criteria #5 at WP:External Links. Seems to fit the criterion, though I didn't check your articles against this one to see if the content there is provided here already. There are significant current-events articles on the Blue Jays already counting the websites currently listed under Toronto Blue Jays. I'll leave the article as-is, and if another editor agrees that your site qualifies under WP:External Links, then by all means add it there. BigNate37 01:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Fan Base
The current entry claims:


 * "The Toronto Blue Jays are the third most popular professional team in Toronto, after the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Toronto Raptors."

If this or something to this effect is to be included, it has to include the manner in which this is measured (attendance? survey? television ratings? gut-feeling of the poster?). The truth, or appropriateness, of this statement depends entirely on how this fact purports to be measured. -- Matty j 02:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Blue Jays 2005 total attendance: 1,977,949
 * Raptors 2005-06 total: 699,242
 * Maple Leafs 2005-06 total: 795,747
 * Agronuats 2004 total: 232,318

Well, 80 home games help Blue Jays top the total attendance in town. ccwaters 17:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Blue Jays have a greater seating capacity and the Blue Jays have more games. Kingjeff 17:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Exactly, there are many ways to qualify/quantify a fan base. That's why we are asking you to specify your criteria and back it up with sources. ccwaters 17:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

This isn't my claim. I never put the fan base in. Kingjeff 18:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok... then what exactly is your claim? ccwaters 18:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't you see I don't have a claim. I just added back a simple inacurate revert. Kingjeff 21:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Enough with the semantics. Maybe you didn't originally contribute the disputed statement, but you are actively defending it and stating it is a fact, , , . We're just asking for clarification and related sources. And no, reminding you of the 3RR policy is in no way a personal attack. ccwaters 22:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I apologize if this is the wrong way to post a comment related to ths discussion, but I definitely disagree with the notion that the Blue Jays are the thirs most popular team next to the Raptors.

It's difficult to compare attendance numbers, so it's probably best to not steer the discussion in that sense. However, television numbers are extremely relevant. The Blue Jays average just under 400,000 viewers per game. These numbers are miles ahead of the Raptors who drew much less. I recall the Raptors drawing as few as 29,000 viewers last season. I'd love to get my hands on the official numbers, but I can't see the Raptors doing as well as the Jays in that aspect.

That's probably the best indication of how team's do in terms of fandom. It may also be worthwhile to investigate things such as merchandise sales.

If one wanted to look at attendance as means of comparing the two, while Raps ticket prices are much more expensive, to counter that, the Jays play double as many home games as them. And the ticket differential isn't as big as one might imagine.

I just can't see how the Raptors are more popular than the Jays. Perhaps this was back in 2000 or so when the Raptors made the playoffs, but alot has occured since then.

NB: The outfield coach for the Blue Jays is actually Marty Pevey.

Succession box abuse
There may be no reason to delete it, but there certantly is no reason to include it. What purpose does it serve other than to make the article unnecessaraly longer by adding marginally interesting information bordering on irrelevence? Resolute 05:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone vandalized this page. I've done my best to fix it, but it still needs work. 67.188.172.165 22:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

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Level of Excellence
Is Roberto Alomar really not in the Level of Excellence? It said here in a sourced statement that he'd be there this summer, but someone took him off claiming he wasn't there. Also, Jackie Robinson's number 42 is clearly along with the others in the old version? Did they take it away in the newer version (the version depicted by the images)? What possible sence could that make?--Silent Wind of Doom 15:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Alomar is not in the Level of Excellence; as per: http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/tor/history/level_of_excellence.jsp --CMDow 23:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

God Bless America
What is the Toronto Blue Jays's stance with "God Bless America"? Is it played at all at Rogers Centre, and does it make any sense to play it at this Canadian city? --24.78.124.8 02:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've never noticed it being played at a game before. They play the Canadian and American national anthems at the start of the game, but that's it. --Maelwys 17:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * God Bless America now accompanies or supplements Take Me Out to the Ballpark in a lot of stadiums, but I don't see why the Blue Jays would follow suit. The national anthem of both teams is an official formality (with only 1 Canadian team there can't be games without an American team), but God Bless America at the 7th inning stretch is up to the individual stadium.  Leebo  T / C  18:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, right. Our 7th inning stretch is (and always has been, as long as I can remember) "Lets Go! (Blue Jays!)" and "Take Me Out to the Ballgame". LG(BJ) is obviously a song specifically written for the team, probably specifically to replace God Bless America. It makes a good stretch though, because it's got a whole clapping/waving/dancing routine that everybody does in the stands to help stretch out from all the sitting. ;-) --Maelwys 18:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Correction, the song is called "Okay, Blue Jays." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infernocow (talk • contribs) 03:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Paul Godfrey - president, makes an announcement
Paul Godfrey is chief executive officer and president of the Toronto Blue Jays. Here's a Dec 5 2007 announcement about uniforms that could be added to this article and then Godfrey's name might appear for the first time http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=txbluejaysuniforms&prov=st& --User:Brenont (talk) 01:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Have to rub it in, don't you?
I like the line in "History 1982-1988": "However, Kansas City won three consecutive games to win the series 4 games to 3, on their way to their first, and only, World Series championship." Yeah, thanks for reminding us that it was our only win. Sheesh.

KC Native --Raulpascal (talk) 21:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

New away uniform decals
The image displaying the team uniforms currently features the old Toronto decals on the away jersey, not the 2008 ones. Is it worth fixing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infernocow (talk • contribs) 03:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

www.bluejayfever.com
I'm one owner of www.bluejayfever.com

We feel that our site is of top quality, which provides detailed information on the blue jays, which include, standings, schedules, up-to date news, roster, minor league information, rookies, forum and so much more. Please take a look and please let us know if we can post our site in the external links as Jays fan site.

We've been around for about a year and are putting up our new site design. We're growing quickly and are going nowhere~
 * Well, according to MrBoo and I, it is a spam site. Thank you. Johnny Au (talk) 19:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

All-time records against other teams
Does an 'all-time' record chart against every other opponent (both home & away and total) exist? If it does not, where is the best place to put it? Or is the idea totally out of the question? Juve2000 (talk) 01:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

History section is too long
I was thinking of a separate article regarding the history of the Toronto Blue Jays, since the history section in the main article is too long; it takes up almost half of the article. Most sport teams, especially the established teams, have a separate article on their history. Thank you. Johnny Au (talk) 15:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I think we need a citation on the notion that the beer company was hoping people would shorten the name to "the blues" in hopes of gaining free advertising. I've heard this many times but it might be an urban legend. A source is needed on this. (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Uniforms
I think that the image of the uniforms needs to be changed. All the jerseys and pants are correct, but the hats are different. The "T" cap should be included. They wear the "Blue Jay" cap with the white jersey and the grey one, the retro hat with the retro jersey and the "T" cap is worn with the black alternate jersey. 99.234.164.101 (talk) 17:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Retired Numbers


OK, who ever is in charge here needs to fix this. Under the Retired Numbers Section, it says the Jays have never retired a number, but instead they have a level of excellence. Towards the top of the article there is this photo, that shows there is indeed four retired numbers. 22, and 31 are among them. I cannot make out the other two with any certainty. Please lets get this corrected.--Subman758 (talk) 15:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The text in the article is correct. The photo is... well, also correct, but misinterpreted. ;-)
 * The "Retired Numbers" banner that you're looking at has nothing to do with the Blue Jays, those are the numbers that have been retired by the Toronto Argonauts, with whom the Jays share a stadium. --Maelwys (talk) 16:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * OK I see, how I made the mistake, it was hard to see, but now I do. Thank you for your correction.--Subman758 (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Logos
Someone please add the logos used from 1997-2002, as well as 2003. They're so blatantly missing from this article. --Pwnage8 (talk) 22:32, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Blackjays1 (talk) 03:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Cap logos
In the infobox, the uniforms show the bird head cap for both home and away. Isn't the T cap used for away games. I think i've seen both though. I've even seen the T cap with the black jersey. Do they just wear whataver hat the want with whatever uniform? I think in the cap insignia part, the t cap and retor cap should be there as well. 99.234.164.101 (talk) 23:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

re: Minor League Affliations note
The note doesn't make any sense. The Jays currently have NO AAA team since the current deal expired after the Chiefs season ended September 1. Also the Jays will have a new AAA team before their season ends (some time between September 18 and September 30 to be exact). Jc121383 (talk) 20:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source that says the Jays will have a AAA team other than Syracuse next season? --Pwnage8 (talk) 23:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Teams never have gotten renewed when their deals have expired in the past unless no other affiliation agreements have ended. And there are four in IL alone this year. Jc121383 (talk) 03:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I have added the note, since it would be considered good practice to do so and there is currently no source regarding the name of Toronto's new AAA team; everything should have a source. In the meantime, the note stays until Toronto's new AAA team is officially announced. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 00:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think there's an agreement between MLB and MiLB that new affiliations can't be discussed until after Sept 16 (last possible day for MiLB playoffs?). Washington isn't renewing with Columbus either. ccwaters (talk) 00:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's actually the 18th this year though. The new changes have to be in by the end of the month. ... I brought this up because all MiLB teams with expired affiliation agreements have already moved their most recent teams to the former team sections. I just did the move out of consistency. Jc121383 (talk) 03:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Uniform Pic Completely wrong
They wear the black jersey with both the grey and white pants. They wear the T cap with the away jersey, and when the wear the black jersey at away games. So the pic should look like this:

1. White Jersey, White Pants, Blue Jay head cap 2. Grey(away) Jersey, Grey Pants, T cap 3. Grey jersey, grey pants, blue jay head cap 4. Black Jersey, White Pants, Blue Jay head cap, 5. black jersey, white pants, t cap 6. black jersey, grey pants, T cap 7.blakc jersey, grey pants, blue jay head cap 8. retro jersey, pants and hat

I know its a lot but we have to recognize all of the different combinations. i think the jays should do what the rays did and only have two uniforms, and 1 cap for both. Can someone at least respond and agree with me. maybe whoever put the pic there in the first place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.164.101 (talk) 22:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Snowshoes
I find it surprising there is no mention on wikipedia about the snowshoes used during the Jays franchise-opening series. I'd consider that Blue Jay culture. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC))
 * Make sure that you cite them. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 03:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Summary box formatting issues
There is a problem with how the number of WS and Division titles are showing. Pennants is correct with the number appearing right after in brackets, but WS has some junk text above and below, while DIV has the number in brackets appearing by mistake after the years. Don't know how to fix this - someone please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jabalong (talk • contribs) 00:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Jc121383 (talk) 02:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

2009 Uniform Changes
There are a couple of changes in the uniform this year that i think should be reflected in the infobox picture. Firstly, the maple leaf and blue jay head arms logos need to be added to all of the jerseys. Also, the "ted" arm logo should be added. As for the caps, it seems that this year they have set caps for each jersey, as opposed to last year when they wore whatever cap they wanted. They wear the blue jay head cap on the white home jersey and the black alternate jersey. they wear the t cap on the away jersey. As for the retro uniform, everything is fine. 99.234.128.114 (talk) 18:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The T cap needs to be added to the away jersey, and the socks need to be changed back to full colour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.145.123 (talk) 22:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Why bring back all the history
I made it a separate article because this article was too long. Bringing it back kills the purpose of making a History article.--Fire 55 (talk) 07:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that most of the material should only be contained in the new history article, but we shouldn't leave the history section of this article bare. The major points from inception to 2002 should be noted. Mind  matrix  13:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

cc photos on flickr
hi there, i don't do baseball but while browsing for nba photos on flickr i came across this set which you guys might find useful... i think they should all be cc-compliant. apologies if you guys have already come across this before. Chensiyuan (talk) 04:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The photo sets do appear to be licensed CC-BY-SA, which is compatible with Wikipedia. Resolute 15:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Since they are safe, can they be added to the article? It would be helpful to do so.  Thank you.  Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 15:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can do that fairly easily. Got any preferences as to which images should be added?  A good Halladay image, naturally, probably only one or two more for this article to keep it balanced.  Some of those would be pretty good for player articles. Resolute 02:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Nationality of Players
Given the fact that baseball is becoming an increasingly more international sport (i.e., more non-U.S. leagues in existence, more non-U.S. players in the MLB), the roster formatting on Wikipedia should probably be updated to reflect that. If you look at the formatting for other international sports (such as soccer), the player nationalities are indicated using flag icons. I think this would be a beneficial update to each of the major league rosters in the MLB, it would not be too difficult to implement and it would not clutter the information on the page. However, before such change a change is implemented, I thought it would be healthy to achieve at least some form of consensus on the talk page for each team. yuristache (talk) 01:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Retro Uniforms
Are the Blue Jays going to use their baby blue retro uniforms this year? I really liked the uniforms - they are a lot better than the ones they normally use. Reverend Edward Brain, D.D. (talk) 21:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Page Error
Can we fix the roster section?24.233.183.37 (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. It was actually a template that was broken.  Thanks for the notice! Resolute 15:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

The ongoing dispute about sourcing the 2012 colors
I'm just going to jump in and question exactly why it is so important to include a source from a blog for the team colors. Especially when there is already a source for colors that is not in dispute. You're both getting perilously closet to 3RR. Echoedmyron (talk) 20:15, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Why can they not use a news source from either mainstream news or sports news? Either of those are much more acceptable. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 03:03, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I cited the blog cause it's specialty graphic design but that specializes in sports logos. It's a trusted source of colors on Chris Creamer's Sports Logos which I've seen used as a source before. I trust the blog to be accurate and am pretty certain that it would meet reliability guidelines. However, after stepping back for a second. I realize I'm being point-y and would like to drop my argument. However still, I'd like to start a discussion on WT:MLB about the reliability of this blog for future instances. As for the order of the colors, I'd like to see the Blues listed first as they're the prominent colors. Best,  CRRays Head90  | We Believe! 22:38, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've fully protected this page and Miami Marlins indefinitely per the ongoing edit warring. I remind editors that page protection is not endorsement of the current revision, and that all editors are obliged to endorse their changes by establishing a level of mutual agreement. WilliamH (talk) 22:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

For the Miami Marlins, I originally supplied the team's official release. It got reverted in favor of a blog not related to the team or MLB. JaMikePA (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This discussion is thattaway -->  CRRays Head90  | We Believe! 17:14, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

2012-2013 Off-season blockbuster trade
Should the off-season blockbuster trade be expanded in the main article? If so, it should not be more than a paragraph. Yes, it is a major change to the Jays roster, but it is not the most important event in 2013. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:33, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

History duplication
The History section should be culled extensively, and simply summarize major events. There's already a hat note at the head of the History section linking to History of the Toronto Blue Jays for more information; most of this article's History section is copied verbatim there. What's the point of sending people to another article that simply copies what is here? I would suggest that that article is the one that should have the heavier detail, and this one can have the history section trimmed. Echoedmyron (talk) 21:51, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 100% agree. You can be bold and start the trimming. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Seconded. There is no need for duplication.  Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 01:11, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Capitalization of colour names in team infoboxes
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toronto_Blue_Jays&diff=612842309&oldid=612821882 this edit]: I have started a discussion on the talk page for WikiProject Baseball regarding the capitalization. Please provide your feedback in that thread. Thanks! isaacl (talk) 03:22, 14 June 2014 (UTC) Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:39, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


 * decision was lower case. Cpfan776 (talk) 02:14, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

MLB-designated NL rivals
What do you think of including the MLB-designated NL rivals of the Jays to the list of rivalries? They alternate between the Braves and the Phillies. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't, personally. That MLB randomly pairs the four teams in the AL and NL East without true interleague rivals for the extra games doesn't really fit the intention of a rivals section. Resolute 13:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I personally don't really like rivalry sections in team articles; it's just a magnet for an overemphasis on recent events, and it places undue weight on specific matchups, unwarranted by the schedule structure. isaacl (talk) 14:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe that rivalries should be mentioned if they are well discussed in both Toronto media and the local media of the Jays' rivals. The Jays-Expos rivalry of course should be mentioned though, since it is a major historical rivalry.  The Jays-Orioles rivalry should not be mentioned, since it is not notable enough to be mentioned on both Toronto and Baltimore media.  Social media though generally does not count per WP:SOCIALMEDIA, unless mentioned by a journalist writing for a reputable news source.  With regards to the Braves and the Phillies, they are designated as rivals by MLB. Readers may be curious to know who the Jays' MLB-designated rivals are.  Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the season article is a good place to mention the MLB-designated rival for the season, as it affects the schedule. Although I understand why rivalry sections exist, the problem is sports journalism has different standards than an encyclopedic treatment; there is human interest/myth-making aspect which makes the story, rather than reporting impartially on the situation. isaacl (talk) 04:10, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Upon reading your comment, I agree that MLB-designated rivals should be mentioned in the season articles. Rivalry sections should only be added if the rivalries themselves have their own articles (such as the Yankees–Red Sox rivalry).  Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 14:18, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Indefinite ("a") vs definite ("the") article
Regarding the article in the first sentence: even leaving aside the question of other professional teams in other leagues, it would be misleading to say, for example, "The Toronto Blue Jays are the Canadian Major League Baseball team...", as this has the connotation that there is a quota in effect, with one Canadian team being the limit. In theory it could be written as "The Toronto Blue Jays are the only Canadian Major League Baseball team...", but I believe this would not align with Wikipedia's best practices for the lead sentence, which specifies that the lead sentence should, if possible, provide context for a nonspecialist and the reason for the subject's notability. To provide context for those not familiar with sports, the best introduction is to start by describing the Jays as a Canadian professional baseball team, using the indefinite article, even if there were no other Canadian professional baseball teams in existence at the moment. isaacl (talk) 16:47, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The anon was pushing an absurd argument, as there are several professional baseball teams in Canada at present, and dozens in the past.  The use of "the" was also unnecessarily pedantic. Resolute 22:55, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree. I placed a note at the end of the lead sentence about this. There are the Vancouver Canadians as well, who are also a professional Canadian baseball team.  Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:15, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm not a big fan of inline notes, particular in this case when there has been only one problematic editor. Also, I think the note misplaces the emphasis of the rationale in two ways: as I mentioned above, there is no quota in place, plus it doesn't matter that the Vancouver Canadians are the only other professional team (I assume that means fully professional, as there are other professional teams in Canada). isaacl (talk) 03:27, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have modified the inline note to discuss this case. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 18:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Effects of the 2015 trades on the Jays' popularity
It would be good to discuss the addition of the effects of the 2015 trades on the Jays' popularity. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:19, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you have the wrong cause: the Jays are experiencing a resurgence in popularity because they're heading to the playoffs for the first time in 22 years. The trades are one piece of the puzzle but there's a lot more to the Jays on-field success than that. isaacl (talk) 06:26, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, cause (trades) and consequence (winning) results in excitement. For this article, however, I wouldn't spend much more than two sentences per year, except in playoff/championship seasons.  But this can, and should be discussed in depth at 2015 Toronto Blue Jays season and Alex Anthopoulos - given this trade deadline is very likely to be what AA will always be known for. Resolute 13:29, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Winning results in excitement, but the trades aren't the (sole) cause of winning, so I wouldn't jump to trades resulted in popularity. The trades did demonstrate that the Jays management were pushing for the playoffs this year, and so I agree more description in the season article is warranted. isaacl (talk) 14:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * At least the article is semi-protected for the duration of the postseason, which means that we won't have to worry about drive-by IPs adding too much information here. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 00:31, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Not the duration of the postseason: just until October 9. Now would be a good time to trim a lot of excess cruft that makes it here. For instance, the 2015 section mentions the minor league contracts signed by Jeff Francis, Ezequiel Carrera, Wilton López, Caleb Gindl, Jake Fox, and Daric Barton, all properly sourced. But why? What relevance do those minor league contracts have for the franchise as a whole? They've barely had any impact on the 2015 season. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:45, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I must agree that the cruft pertaining to the signing of minor league contracts in 2015 need to be cut from the main article for the same reason why signings of minor league contracts are not mentioned for the earlier seasons. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:08, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Semi-protection has been reinstated until the first few games of the 2015 World Series. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:17, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Owner subject in the infobox.
Hello, the Toronto Blue Jays' website lists Edward Rogers III as its chairman, as seen here. I don't know why the Blue Jays' article cannot list Rogers Communications as the owner, and then Rogers III as its chairman in parentheses, similar to how the New York Yankees article is constructed. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned in the edit summary, unless the chairman is prominent in running the team, I don't see a purpose to including this information. For the Yankees, the corporate owner is a family company of the chairpersons, and they are the ones controlling the franchise. For Rogers Communications, there is no indication that the corporate parent has any particularly strong involvement in team operations or that the chairman is involved. Thus it is misleading to list Ted Rogers in the infobox, as it implies a more direct level of control than actually exists in practice. isaacl (talk) 20:41, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I found another source that says that Edward Rogers III is the Chairman of the Toronto Blue Jays. It's found at Rogers' website. I also found this article from the Toronto Sun, which says "As we’ve said before, it’s Edward Rogers’ team. The man is the Chair of the Rogers Control Trust, which controls the majority of the voting shares of Rogers Communications Inc., which owns the Blue Jays." That seems to suggest that Ted Rogers has some level of control over the Blue Jays. I fail to see how the Toronto Sun article would mislead readers about the chairman of the corporation that owns the Blue Jays, and I also fail to see why Ted Rogers cannot be included in the infobox of the Blue Jays article. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:46, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Companies like Rogers Communications own many companies; simply as a matter of logistics, it is impractical to list the chairperson of the parent company in each of these. Although individual circumstances can differ, in general, the day-to-day operations of public corporations are not managed by an individual chairperson. The board of directors makes large strategic decisions, the executive team makes smaller scale strategic decisions, and a lower level of executives create and execute plans to implement these decisions. For a company like Rogers, the Jays are just a small piece of their pie; for its board, the primary thing that matters is what content they can sell that derives from the Jays. Most readers will expect that if an individual is listed in the infobox as an owner, he or she is taking a personal interest in making operating decisions. Public companies don't work that way; they are owned by the shareholders. isaacl (talk) 23:11, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As Issacl said, corporations, by definition, are not solely owned by a president, CEO, or chairperson, but are owned by shareholders, despite corporations acting as a single entity. Rogers Communications is no exception. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:46, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

If there are no further comments, then I propose removing the chairperson information. isaacl (talk) 23:34, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 03:43, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Toronto Star article about the Jays article and myself
Read here

Should we mention my role in keeping this article the way it is? Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 22:41, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I hate to be a killjoy, but, no, I don't think this is sufficiently notable to be included in this article. Plus it isn't very encouraging to the community, who has engaged in many edits to maintain this article, to single out one editor. isaacl (talk) 22:48, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with Isaacl. Your contributions are appreciated, but I don't think this belongs in the article. Mind  matrix  01:08, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Although it has a reliable source, it turned out that it would be better just to remove it. We all write the Blue Jays article. It just happens that a journalist focuses on me. You could have contacted Oliver Sachgau personally, as he wrote the article. Here is his Wikipedia talk page, which has his e-mail: User talk:Staroliversachgau.  Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 01:28, 14 October 2015 (UTC)


 * That's a great article, and it is kind of cool to see you get recognized for your work! However, the subject of this article is the Toronto Blue Jays, not the Wikipedia article itself.  It wouldn't fit here, imo. Resolute 19:29, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the subject is the Jay's Wikipedia article, but it's too navel gazing to include in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:45, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * lol, I guess I was horribly unclear. I meant that the subject of the Toronto Blue Jays Wikipedia article is the not the Wikipedia article. the Toronto Star article, of course, was. Resolute 20:03, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah gotcha. Minor misunderstanding there. Totally agree with your point. It would be weird to write in the Wikipedia article, "with the Jays success came more vandalism..." – Muboshgu (talk) 20:06, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It belongs on this talk page with the press template, and printed up (either on your printer or the Sun's) and taped to your door or bulletin board. It's not relevant for inclusion inside the article, but it's a recognition of your fine work that you should be proud of. Congratulations! – Muboshgu (talk) 19:41, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I added it at the top. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:45, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you everyone! Go Jays go! Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 01:48, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have kept a print copy of the article about myself in my room, as well as made photocopies of it to show to others of my contributions on Wikipedia. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 03:32, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Location of the Kansas City Royals
At the end of the article under the 2015 season, the article incorrectly states that the Blue Jays lost the ALCS to the Royals in Kansas (footnote 38). The Kansas City Royals play in Missouri, not Kansas. LisaFelsman (talk) 12:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It has been fixed simply by using "Kansas City" instead. Kansas is the state, Kansas City is the city in Missouri (and in Kansas; Kansas City, Kansas is home to Sporting KC MLS team, while Kansas City, Missouri is home to the Royals and the Chiefs). Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 16:37, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Bautista's Bat Flip
Do you think it should be added in this article or in 2015 Toronto Blue Jays season article? If it should be added, then an image of the bat flip should be added as well. What do you think? Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:58, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * IMO, it might just be too trivial a detail for this article - though the home run itself belongs. Seems like the kind of thing the season articles exist for.  Resolute 13:54, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not even sure the home run itself belongs in this article; I think it is a better fit for the season article. Regarding the bat flip, I realize it got a lot of discussion and will be remembered by Jays fans, but in the end it's "someone showboated after hitting a home run", and I don't think it's particularly significant to mention even in the season article. I think the mention in the ALDS article is sufficient. isaacl (talk) 14:45, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the home run fits on the basis of being the series-winning runs in Toronto's first playoff triumph in two decades. Resolute 23:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Mentioning the home-run on this page seems appropriate, since it was the most notable one in Blue Jays history since Joe Carter's walk-off shot in 1993. Bat flip is too trivial a detail, and is better suited for the game summary prose at the 2015 ALDS article. Canuck 89 (have words with me) 07:38, November 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * The bat flip now has its own article. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:25, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As per Wikipedia Core Content Policies, any inclusion of a small detail to a major article, such as Bautista's bat flip, to the Blue Jays' main page should be added under a neutral point-of-view and contain no original research. If done this way it could certainly be added to the main Blue Jays' article as part of their defining moments in history. Alfred0892 (talk) 17:48, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I've seen this bat flip on t-shirts and even cereal boxes. I think it should be included on the article. MohammedMohammedمحمد 23:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Ross Atkins, New GM, announced Dec. 3
He is GM now! Blue Jays name Ross Atkins new GM, Sportsnet reports

Dec. 3, 2015 The Toronto Blue Jays have named longtime Cleveland Indians executive Ross Atkins the fifth general manager in team history, according to Sportsnet.

Atkins was reportedly chosen over finalist Tony LaCava to succeed Alex Anthopoulos under new president and CEO Mark Shapiro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter K Burian (talk • contribs)
 * Yeah, I guess I had forgotten to sign these, but I did write all of the above. Peter K Burian 21:08, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Valuation charts
I believe that the valuation charts should be merged. If the valuation sources are different from both charts, then it should be stated so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:28, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the valuation charts have a maximum of 25 x-axis labels, which meant that they had to be placed side-by-side instead. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Jays–Rangers Brawl
It would be a good opportunity to discuss the Jays–Rangers brawl that occurred in Arlington, TX earlier today. Should it be mentioned in the main Jays article or in the 2016 Toronto Blue Jays season article (and the same with the Rangers' counterpart articles) or should it be mentioned in the individual players' articles? Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Already working on it at the season page, but it's worthy of inclusion on the player articles IMO. User Jax0677 started a page for it which seems really unnecessary to me. Trut-h-urts man  (T • C) 00:41, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I would agree that it should be mentioned in the season article and also the respective players' articles, more so in Odor and Jose's articles since they were the prime subjects. I wouldn't be opposed to it being included on this main page though too. I also agree that the article User:Jax 0677 started is a very unnecessary stub and should be deleted. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 00:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I also agree that the Blue Jays Rangers basebrawl should be deleted as well. It is very poorly written. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:07, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, it's now been tagged for speedy deletion, so it will probably be deleted soon. Vaselineeeeeeee</b>★★★ 02:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 *  Reply - Wikipedia is full of stubs like the one that I started. Additionally, there are several locations to which Blue Jays Rangers basebrawl can be redirected, which is a term similar to Pacers–Pistons brawl, quoted as "the most infamous brawl in NBA history". --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * "Other stuff exists" is not a rationale to create an article. Even if it was, one punch being landed isn't anywhere close to being as dramatic as the Pistons-Pacers brawl. Creating an article, even if just a stub, is a clear case of WP:Recentism. Even if there are "several" places it could be redirected to, it can only be redirected to one, and who could justify whether you redirect it to Odor, Bautista, the Rangers, or the Blue Jays? <b style="color:#092C5C">Tampa</b><b style="color:#003D7C">bay721</b> (<b style="color:#8FBCE6">talk</b>) 07:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This is why I prefer deletion. It could only redirect to one article, though there are many as seven different articles it could redirect to reliably: Texas Rangers (baseball), 2016 Texas Rangers season, Toronto Blue Jays, 2016 Toronto Blue Jays season, Rougned Odor, José Bautista, and List of violent spectator incidents in sports. Having it redirect to an article primarily about one baseball team would not do justice to fans of the other team. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 13:13, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * In general only events significant to the history of the team should be included in this article. At this point, there is no indication this incident is more significant than any number of brawls not mentioned. isaacl (talk) 05:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The article has been deleted without any redirects. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 16:49, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Meanwhile, the brawl is mentioned in the main article. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:15, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Jays–Rangers rivalry
Should this section be kept or removed? Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:05, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As I stated above, only events of significance to the overall team history ought to be included in this article. A rivalry does not consist of an altercation. Accordingly, the section should, in my view, be removed. isaacl (talk) 14:54, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I would wait for more opinions before it is dealt with. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 03:04, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not much of a rivalry when it's less than a year old. Hasn't the "rivalry" with Darren O'Day and the Orioles been going on quite a bit longer??  I really don't think that this qualifies as a rivalry.Cpfan776 (talk) 03:09, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The Bautista–O'Day rivalry is more of a rivalry than the Jays–Rangers rivalry, though neither should be mentioned in the main article; the former belongs in their respective articles, as it is a personal rivalry and not a rivalry between the Jays and the Orioles. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 03:16, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ I have removed it. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:42, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Missing Information
Hello community, I was reviewing the article's section on the 2015 playoff's and there is absolutely no reference to the iconic Bat flip done by Batista at the end of the 8th inning on game 5 of the series.Bat_flipThis will make the memory of the season much pleasant. --Pirevale (talk) 17:13, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Uniform Picture
The "T" cap is now the official road cap, so the picture should be changed accordingly. Also, since when do the Blue Jays have stirrup style socks? I think this should be changed as well. 99.234.145.123 (talk) 00:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that the road cap should change. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 15:47, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

The third uniform cap is wrong. They wear the blue cap with white front panel with their alternate blue jerseys. 76.71.3.0 (talk) 21:01, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2017
On some home games, O Canada is sung in Bilingual. 2001:56A:F4F1:4200:BC3D:F7E9:8BD:2BDA (talk) 00:39, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — MRD 20  14  00:43, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2017
Every Canada Day home game, a member of the Royal Canadian Air Force Band sings the national anthems. 50.65.38.90 (talk) 00:49, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:56, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2017
Every Sunday home game during the third inning, the Blue Jays pay tribute to a member of the Canadian Armed Forces. 50.65.38.90 (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:12, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Comment on the above requests
As been stated a few times, please find reliable sources to back up your request. Hearsay, anecdotal evidence, and social media posts (such as forum posts, tweets, and Reddit comments) aren't reliable. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:21, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Citation Errors
Hi there. I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm doing an assignment for class where we find errors in the encyclopedia. The first error I've identified is citation #40. This citation does not include the author, the website title, the date the article was published or the date the article was accessed. The second error I've identified is in the section titled "History," under the years 1977-1981. The first three sentences in the opening paragraph have no citation and thus violate Wikipedia's content guideline of plagiarism. --Sweiner8 (talk) 17:52, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You can see History of the Toronto Blue Jays for more detail. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:07, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Potential sale of the Toronto Blue Jays
Here are some sources:


 * https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rogers-evaluating-sale-of-blue-jays-cogeco-stake-cfo/article37219610/
 * https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2017/12/06/selling-blue-jays-would-produce-changes-in-on-field-product.html
 * http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/rogers-blue-jays-sale-1.4434908
 * http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-rogers-considering-sale-blue-jays-stake-cogeco/
 * http://m.bluejays.mlb.com/tor/news/article/263019242/rogers-would-consider-sale-of-blue-jays?topicId=27118412

Pick your choice of sources. What do you think of mentioning it in the Jays Wikipedia article? Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:47, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Too speculative. WP:CRYSTAL applies; if this goes nowhere, there's nothing to say. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it's premature as there isn't anything too substantial yet; companies always review their options and strategies. isaacl (talk) 05:06, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

World Series Photo
Can anyone find a photo of the 1992 or 1993 World Series for this page? Perhaps an iconic image of some sort would do. <b style="color:green">Mohammed</b><b style="color:red">Mohammed</b>محمد 23:50, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

José Bautista Bat Flip Photo
Can anyone find an image of the iconic José Bautista "Bat Flip"? <b style="color:green">Mohammed</b><b style="color:red">Mohammed</b>محمد 23:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * File:José Bautista bat flip, 14 October 2015.jpg
 * José Bautista's bat flip after hitting a home run in the bottom of the seventh inning of game 5 of the 2015 American League Division Series.
 * From the bat flip page. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 00:12, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's a copyrighted image though, which means that a fair-use rationale has to be written before it can be inserted in the main Blue Jays article. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 02:00, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * True, but it doesn't take long to just write one up on the file page...if Mohammed really wanted. It might be better to use in the season article. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 02:04, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 14:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Generally speaking, the consensus I have seen on the use of non-free images is that the image should be necessary to understand the essentials of the article's subject. This would not be the case for this image for this article (and in fact once this discussion has been concluded, the image should be replaced on this talk page with just a link). I also have misgivings regarding including it on the season article page, but I appreciate others may feel differently about the event's importance. isaacl (talk) 19:44, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, looking at the current fair-use rationale, personally I don't believe "the event has passed" is a good reason for saying the image is non-replaceable. There were thousands of people who may have taken photos which could be released to the public domain. isaacl (talk) 19:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * That image looks great. Can you add it to the article? Also, I asked above, does anyone have an iconic image for the 1992 or 1993 World Series?<b style="color:green">Mohammed</b><b style="color:red">Mohammed</b>محمد 20:10, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Mohammed, please read isaacl's comments, he does have a point. If you think it should be on the season article page, then please write up a rational similar to the ones already at the file: "File:José Bautista bat flip, 14 October 2015.jpg" by clicking on the image. Also, I've looked around on other Wiki pages, and couldn't find a picture of 1992/93. There is a picture of the fireworks at the stadium at Joe Carter. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 20:14, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: Just a quick comment since I came across this discussion when checking on some non-free files. First, non-free images are only allowed to be displayed in the article namespace per WP:NFCC. If you want to discuss an particular image on a talk page, you should add a link to the image instead. I did that for the bat flip image being discussed here, and hopefully did not mess the thread up in the process. Secondly, non-free image use is much more involved than simply adding a non-free use rationale. In fact, adding a separate specific rationale is only one part (WP:NFCC) of one of the 10 criteria which need to be satisfied each time non-free content is used in an article. All addding a rationale really does is prevent the file from being speedily deleted per WP:F6.
 * Anyway, after looking at the image, I'm having a hard time seeing how non-free use can be justified for this article unless you are willing to add a separate section for the bat flip which is supported by citations to reliable sourcing. Simply adding the file with a caption is almost likely going to be seen as lacking the context required by WP:NFCC. Decorative use of non-free content in galleries/tables, etc. is not really allowed per WP:NFG and many files added with boilerplate rationales and questionable context end up being deleted or removed per WP:FFD. Moreover, being "iconic" in a Wikipedia non-free content context tends to refer to only those images which are sufficiently notable enough in their own right to be the subject of a stand-alone article. An example of an iconic non-free image is Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima and that photo is only considered acceptable to use in that particular article per item 6 of WP:UUI. So, I'm not saying it's not possible to add the bat flip file or the 1992/1993 World Series photos here, but there's going to have to be a strong justification for their non-free use in order for them to avoid being removed per WP:NFCC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I strongly agree with that. Non-free images cannot be peppered everywhere and can only be used in very specific contexts. The photo of Bautista's bat flip belongs in José Bautista, Bat flip, and 2015 American League Division Series, not Toronto Blue Jays or History of the Toronto Blue Jays. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 13:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The image has been deleted from Wikipedia, as it's non-free. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 03:09, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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Sunday Salute
Since 2012, every Sunday home game, the Blue Jays pay tribute to a member of the Canadian Armed Forces. During the third inning, the team presents the honored member with a personalized Blue Jays jersey. 50.65.38.90 (talk) 00:35, 11 May 2018 (UTC) Kim h connors (talk) 03:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
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 * Honestly, just about everybody does this. It's not notable. Resolute 19:21, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This is an extremely common request. In fact, it's so common that all teams do this anyways. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 12:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ It has been added. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 00:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Canada Day
The Blue Jays usually hosted a home game on July 1 in conjunction with Canada Day. 50.65.38.90 (talk) 00:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
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