Talk:Tory Belleci

Closed deletion listing
This article was listed for deletion on 27 May, 2005. The discussion was closed with the result of no consensus. This article will not be deleted. You can view the discussion, which is no longer live: Votes_for_deletion/Tory Belleci. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:29, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Being bold
I'm being bold and redirecting. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:29, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tory Belleci is a popular cultural personality. For as long as Mythbusters is a cultural phenomenon, we should keep the principals in their own page and list secondary personalities on List of MythBusters cast members --Thoughtfix 18:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC) Pictures needed
 * Tory is also a well known and popular special effects artist who was well known at least in the circle. He made appearances on television and in magazines during his tenure working for Industrial Light and Magic, where he worked on Star Wars: Episode One. He deserves his own page.--The reverend 02:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The article in not currently up for deletion. All the stuff regarding deleting/redirecting this article occurred a year ago. Look at the dates. Why won't people use their eyes?--Drat (Talk) 03:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I realize, but the argument had not been presented in the talk page, and was worth note.--The reverend 01:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Counterstrike
The reason I removed the Trivia item was because the fact that Tory (I wasn't thinking when I wrote Grant) plays Counterstrike is unimportant. On top of that, it was speculatory anyway.--Drat (Talk) 11:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Why was this moved from Tory, I wonder? Fairly typical example of Naming_conventions_%28common_names%29, I'd have thought.

Requested move
Salvatore Belleci → Tory Belleci — Its his far more common nickname. wikipedia naming policy —DAVID CAT 23:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC) Nominator did not create a discussion space; completing nomination on his behalf. Dekimasu よ! 06:53, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Support Tory is going to be a more likely search term for anyone who wants to look him up and most biography articles are by the common name of the individual (Tori Spelling for a relevant example). -- Will Mak  050389  14:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 06:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Personal Beliefs
Why don't we include the irrelevant fact of whether or not he believes in God or not, just like we've done for some reason on Adam and Jamie's pages?? --Promus Kaa 15:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm posting this late, but if one is dissatisfied with a decision for an article, do comment on that article's talk page instead of spreading the fallout elsewhere. Also, do push your actual opinion there instead of acting like this. These kind of comments won't achieve much good. &mdash; Northgrove 03:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

How about another late opinion on this issue: unless it's something he's explicitly discussed in an interview or some other source, it's not really relevant. Adam and Jamie have both made statements about being skeptics/nonreligious, and (at least in Adam's case) connected it to their work on the show, thus it is perfectly reasonable to include this in their articles.

But back to Tory: for whatever it's worth, he can be seen wearing a cross or crucifix around his neck in the Underwater Blow Dart segments of "Return of the Ninja" (2008 season), though IMO it doesn't mean anything in the world of Wikipedia without any sourceable commentary from Tory himself. 173.26.226.151 (talk) 03:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * this article in his hometown newspaper confirms tory as a 'devout christian'. --Kaini (talk) 00:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Name Spelling
His nickname is spelled Tori not "Tory" like on here. 71.3.176.254 15:04, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it's Tory. You may be thinking of the furry fandom member: Tori Belliachi 81.153.111.37 (talk) 03:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

His own website with his portfolio and so on spells it "Tory," in support of that spelling.98.204.230.50 (talk) 23:57, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

In fact, it's spelled that way on this very page and this page also explicitly references his website, which spells it "Tory" not only in body text but in the URL itself, so I have no idea why the URL for this page has it spelled another way. Can someone with stronger Wiki-fu than I fix that? I mostly do minor edits and don't get into management stuff like that.98.204.230.50 (talk) 23:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * As ALL of the sources spell it "Tory", I've restored that spelling. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 04:41, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * He can frequently be seen wearing garments marked "Tory" on the show.137.205.100.185 (talk) 08:50, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Recent changes
I have restored my edits over an IP's mostly unexplained objections. Here are the details the IP is objecting to:

1) I have removed the birth name "Salvatore Paul Belleci". This is the only change the IP explained ("This is idiotic, as his name CLEARLY is Salvatore Paul Belleci, and I did some research and found there is only one person with that name in the world, let alone california"). The source used demonstrates clearly that someone named "BELLECI, SALVATOR P" was born 10/30/1970 in Monterey (where "Paul" came from is unclear). We do not know that "Tory Belleci" was named "Salvator Belleci" at birth. Many celebrities use stage names. It is not at all unusual for people to use their middle name in place of their first or nicknames that are completely unrelated to their birth names.

2) I have removed the birth date using the same source. If, somehow, we managed to otherwise determine that his birth name was "Salvatore Paul Belleci" (which we have not), we would not have an indication that this particular "BELLECI, SALVATOR P" is the same person, even if the IP searched the birth records of the entire world since the beginning of recorded time.

3) I have removed the conflicting unsourced claims that he is an atheist and a Christian. Enough said.

4) I have removed "He attended San Francisco State University." from the lede. This is mentioned later and is not a significant aspect of his notability. As such, it does not need to be in the lede section. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 15:37, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * As there has been no discussion to the contrary, I have restored my version. If reverted without sourcing, I will remove any/all unsourced claims that he is an atheist, devout Christian, Orthodox Jew, apathetic agnostic, etc. as a WP:BLP issue. Any other issues reverted without discussion/sourcing I will let stand for a day or so, then revert with escalating warnings, as needed. Thanks. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 02:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No discussion. I'm changing it back. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 17:35, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, we've progressed a bit from the unsourced claims. Now we have an IP editor using a site that cites...um...this article. Wikipedia cannot be a source for itself. Similarly, a would-be source that cites Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for Wikipedia. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 07:16, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Due to the one sided nature of discussion and high revert rate, I've fully protected this article for one week.  This isn't an endorsement of any version of the article, it is just the state I found it in when I discovered the problem.  After the protection ends, if edit warring continues and the non-communicative parties stay non-communicative, blocks will likely follow.   Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 18:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * New additions: IMDb is not a reliable source for biographical info. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 03:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Now we have a copyright violation youtube video with Belleci answering "yes" to the question "Is your first name 'Salvatore'?" (we're guessing at the spelling here) used as a source to say that his name is "Salvatore Paul Belleci". A couple of problems: We cannot link to a blatant copyright violation, per V. Oh, and where did "Paul" come from? Additionally, please note that previous claims you've made do not agree with this one. Remember that "BELLECI, SALVATOR P" born in 1970 was, urm, "obviously" this Tory Belleci and was used to source "Savatore Paul Belleci"? - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 02:33, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * His verified twitter account has a post on Oct. 30, 2012 mentioning it's his birthday: – Connormah (talk) 02:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The October 30th tweet thanking people for the birthday wishes tells us his birthday is on or a bit before October 30th and no hint of a year. Not much help. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Early work taken from official bio?
The "Early work" section of this page replicates almost verbatim the text on Tory's own website's "Bio" page. Should this section be re-written and paraphrased? Metheglyn (talk) 00:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. That is waaaay too close. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 02:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC)