Talk:Toyota Mark II

4WD
Okay, so I did some fact checking and it turns out that 4WD was not present in the Mark II until the X100's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.37.52 (talk) 12:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * JZX93 was all-wheel drive model A.a.eliseyev (talk) 09:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Right, so the Mark II Qualis has its own article (Toyota Camry). I got rid of the image in the X100 section. Space Turbo (talk) 17:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Merger Proposal of Cressida, Cresta and Chaser to Mark II
One vehicle, badge engineered just for the Japanese market for different Toyota Japan dealerships, with another version sold in North America and Australia. It seems logical but lets see if anyone can make a logical suggestion why each vehicle needs its own page (Regashee (talk) 19:46, 27 November 2013 (UTC))


 * Support: As you said, they are just badge engineered versions of each other. I've seen a Japanese market Mark II MX73 and an Australian market Cressida MX73 next to each and I was unable to tell the difference apart from the badges and minor variations on trim.  Stepho  talk 21:12, 27 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. After all they're different trim lines based on the same chassis, much like american cars in the 40s-60s (ie Pontiac Laurentian-Catalina-Bonneville); and these usually have separate articles. Cloverleaf II (talk) 09:49, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, the Cresta, Chaser and the Mark II are not just badge engineered copies of each other. They have significal differences in the design. It's only the Cressida that is not unique, being a Mark II clone or a mix of the other three depending on generation and target market. Boivie (talk) 11:06, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * @Bovie. What are the significant differences? Often the differences are merely regional (eg the Chaser was always 4-door hardtop only and the US Cressida was always 4 door sedan/wagon but the Middle East had a 4 door hardtop Cressida that would totally baffle most American Cressida fans).  Stepho  talk 05:57, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Support - their developmental histories are almost entirely parallell, in spite of very superficial styling changes (grilles and headlights mostly).  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  01:23, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

You can tell that the cars are related, but it's a bit more than grilles and headlights that are different. Boivie (talk) 07:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Although I've personally never seen the Cresta and Chaser, Toyota probably installed equipment from other Toyota products to make the different "clones" mechanically different to Japanese buyers, as both the Cresta and Chaser were both sold at Toyota Vista Store Japanese dealerships (the old name was Toyota Auto store, by the way...), while the Mark II was only at Toyopet Store. That being said, they're the same car with altered packaging. When I create these articles, I did so without having discovered the Toyota Japanese dealership network, which may have inspired me to originally create the article with all vehicles combined.(Regushee (talk) 23:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC))


 * Oppose the merger of Cresta and Chaser to Mark II, Support the merger of Cressida to Mark II. While the earlier Mark II models and Chaser (up to and including X70) were very much the same cars with superficial styling changes (grilles and headlights mostly), this was not the case for the later cars at all which had unique bodies. Cresta models have always been uniquely styled with their own bodies. Cressida was merely the export name for the Mark II—and it will comfortably fit with that model as a single article. OSX (talk • contributions) 06:29, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Based on the above, I have completed the Cressida merge, but kept that page for disambiguation purposes so readers can easily find the models that they are after (as the Mark II has a much longer history). OSX (talk • contributions) 09:13, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I will say as somebody rather unfamiliar with the Mark II models, getting an ambiguous redirect to the Mark II from the Cresssida was extremely confusing, and I went back into the history of Cressida to find the information I was looking for. NativeForeigner Talk 04:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Can you please elaborate on as to what you found confusing? At Toyota Cressida, the images have captions with links to the exact sections of Mark II and the Cressida info is contained within "Cressida" subheadings. Nothing was really deleted in the merger process. The point was to combine duplicated topics, not to have a USA-only page so Americans don't have to endure the torture of reading about the same car in Japan. OSX (talk • contributions) 05:50, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I was able to find the relevant model year (MX73) but reading the introduction I had a hard time figuring out exactly how mark II and Cressida related. It makes much more sense now that I've read it a couple times but I wasn't sure if the link was absolute, parrtial, or wahtever else. I'll look into clarifying it a bit. NativeForeigner Talk 17:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Coke Bottle Styling
Article currently states that this was only used on the second generation. However, examination of photos here indicates it was also present, albeit more subtly, on the third. D.C.Rigate (talk) 16:18, 4 March 2016 (UTC)