Talk:Toyota Matrix

Base Matrix features
The bit about no rear wiper and no alloy wheels on the base 2003 model is unattributed and untrue. My '03 base Matrix came with (and has) both, and I've seen a number of 1st gen Matrices similarly outfitted. What is required to remove this faulty info? A scan of the window sticker? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.121.151.243 (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Move? eh?
While the technical name is Corolla Matrix, it's still known by most consumers as the Matrix. In articles of people with professional names (i.e. Carmen Electra), the article isn't titled with their actual name, but the name they're commonly known by. Why did you not start a discussion over this before actually moving? I'm moving it back to Toyota Matrix. If you have any objections, discuss it here, first. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 04:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Plural of "Matrix"

 * http://www.autolinemag.com/366-2012-corvette.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.67.238.194 (talk) 05:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Flash176, this is purely a question of grammar. You're completely correct that the plural of matrix — the common noun — is matrices. However, the plural of a proper noun such as Matrix — the name — is Matrixes. Compare the Toronto Maple Leafs, who aren't known as the Toronto Maple Leaves, even though "leaves" is the proper plural of the common noun "leaf". 463 Google hits for "Toyota Matrixes", 16 hits for "Toyota Matrices". —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 18:28, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree on using a search engine to provide proof for something as this. Aside from those who paid attention in math class, most people aren't aware of the plural matrices. As for it being a proper noun and only adding "es" to the end, is there a MOS somewhere I could see?--Flash176 (talk) 18:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I see your point and it makes sense, but the way I see it is, Toronto Maple Leafs is a mistake in grammar that's become widely accepted and isn't an example that should be followed. But, I've been wrong before. ;)--Flash176 (talk) 18:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, to counter your example, there's the Minnesota Timberwolves, Memphis Grizzlies, and Philadelphia Phillies.--Flash176 (talk) 19:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The "Maple Leafs" question never dies, but in fact it is no mistake. It was done quite deliberately, and it is grammatical per the above. Other teams have made other decisions; my team-name example is not a perfect match for this situation, but the grammatical principle I used it to illustrate is sound, and it stands: common nouns may have irregular plurals, but proper nouns are pluralised per se. Consider the Leaf family. Mr. and Mrs. Leaf. They are the Leafs, not "the Leaves". Consider the main part of a hamburger, the patty. If you have more than one of them, you have multiple patties. However, if two women, both named Patty, each want a burger, then you will be serving burgers to the two Pattys. This isn't a question of Wikipedia convention, it's a question of grammar. I refer you to any basic English grammar text — Warriner's would do, as would any of many others. If you don't have such a text, see for example here. I agree with you that Google hit counts are not a sound basis on which to settle a debate such as this, but they are a useful indicator where questions of usage arise. Take special note that of the sixteen hits for "Toyota Matrices", at least one contains the text ...Toyota Matrices (How do you pluralize "Matrix", anyway?".
 * Furthermore, your own source indicates that matrixes is an acceptable plural of the common noun "matrix" — just as indexes is an acceptable plural of "index" — so I'm not sure why we're arguing here. Per your sources, disregarding the grammatical rules, "Matrixes" is acceptable. This, plus the Google hits, plus the basic English grammar rule, make it very difficult to support "Toyota Matrices". —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 20:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Plural
Scheinwerfermann, why do you say the correct plural is Matrixes? According to [Dictionary.com], matrixes is given as an option for two sources, but all three sources provide matrices as a spelling.--Flash176 (talk) 18:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See above. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 18:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Base first generation Matrix rear wiper
The article states that the first-generation base model Matrix could not be ordered with a rear wiper. I once owned a 2003 base Matrix with a rear wiper. I did not change the article because this is personal experience and not research, and I am unable to find a source that says that this car could be ordered with a rear wiper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mobilene (talk • contribs) 18:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

2011 Model
I've checked the Toyota page multiple times and the Matrix still says the 2010 model. Is the 2011 model stuff true? 68.37.41.158 (talk) 00:44, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-matrix.html IFCAR (talk) 05:53, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Not helpful; sorry. 68.37.41.158 (talk) 22:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Fuel economy stats might be nice
It may be desirable to include fuel economy numbers for the different trim lines of the Matrix. Many readers may be interested in knowing the environmental impact as well as the raw horsepower engine output stats. 129.89.56.199 (talk) 21:39, 3 January 2012 (UTC)dissemin8or

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"It weighs in at a relatively light 2,800 lb (1,300 kg)."
Relative to what? The E120 Corolla, which is essentially the sedan version of the same car, is 2670 lbs. (2005 XRS) or 2502 lbs. (2003 CE). Other vehicles in the segment are Ford Focus (2623 lbs.), Kia Soul (2745 lbs.), Saturn Astra (2833 lbs.), Mazda3 hatchback (2930 lbs.), Subaru Impreza (3063 lbs. - WRX/STi are heavier, but the Matrix doesn't compete with turbo Subarus for sales) and arguably Dodge Caliber (3157 lbs.). I would say it's middling at best. If someone with more WP brownie points than I cares to make the change, it would be welcomed. 70.29.99.106 (talk) 03:13, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


 * WP is open to all people. Feel free to remove 'relatively light'.  Stepho  talk 08:23, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Even in your cherry-picked list, the Matrix is essentially tied for lightest wagon with the Focus (you also missed the Suzuki Aerio, at 2630 lbs.); the Kia Soul didn't even come out until 2010, so scratch that one off entirely vs. Gen 1 Matrix (a.k.a. Gen 9 Corolla), or else you'd be able to include the disco'd-in-2002 Suzuki Esteem at 24xx lbs. Sedans are always lighter assuming all else is equal, which is why a Corolla is marginally lighter (it's actually 2502 lbs., assuming 1ZZ/C59 drivetrain), and why a WRX wagon weighs 3250 lbs (and they absolutely did compete for sales in every moderately affluent neighbourhood I've ever driven through, especially the TRD Matrix models which are hitherto unmentioned in this article). I'm not changing it back on the basis that it's still needless editorializing which borders on advertorial, but the Matrix is relatively light compared to all contemporary wagons available in USDM. Oh, I also presume 2800 lbs. is the automatic, because the ref says 2,679 lbs. for a FWD Matrix with 1ZZ/C59 drivetrain. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:4D48:738F:15F4:C4BF (talk) 19:40, 19 November 2019 (UTC)