Talk:Tsutomu Yamaguchi

Other double survivors
Here's a reference to one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jul/24/secondworldwar.japan2 And here's a reference to nine: http://alsos.wlu.edu/information.aspx?id=1655 —WWoods (talk) 18:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Heck, the Independent story says,
 * In his eighties, he ... was invited to take part in a documentary called Nijuuhibaku (Twice Bombed, Twice Survived), about the handful of double A-bomb victims.
 * "There are other people who suffered in both bombings, but nobody I know who was so close to the blasts. ..."
 * —WWoods (talk) 18:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

What's the basis for the claim that "Today Tsutomu Yamaguchi is dying from cancer most likely caused from the atomic bombs."? It's hardly extraordinary for a ninety-year-old to be dying of cancer. —WWoods (talk) 18:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It's written in the fifth paragraph in the Independent article. Oda Mari (talk) 18:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. But is there any reason to believe it?
 * —WWoods (talk) 20:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A pity the article wasn't more specific. Some cancers are strongly related to radiation. My father aged 92 suffers from two types of skin cancer caused by exposure to X-Rays whilst working as a radiographer on Malta in WW2. Sometimes there was no film so images were projected onto a wall.  First diagnosis of many cancers peak at age 60-70, leaving heart disease and stroke to finish the rest off later.  Cheers JRPG (talk) 10:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The bomb blasts may have caused his cancer but he was extraordinarily lucky to live a comparatively healthy life into his nineties.Saxophobia (talk) 15:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There was a 2006 documentary film on seven double survivors. You can see their names here. According to this page, there are at least 165 double survivors. Most of them were indirectly radiation exposed people, coming to Nagasaki within two weeks after the bombing but, as the ref. above says, nine survivors, including Yamaguchi, were exposed directly. Yamaguchi's colleague, Kuniyoshi Sato/佐藤邦義 who went Hiroshima with Yamaguchi was also a double survivor and appeared in the film too. According to this, he died of pneumonia in 2007. Yamaguchi wrote this book in 2007. Oda Mari (talk) 19:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They were not recognized by the Japanese Government. The only survivor who is recognized by the Japanese government (irrefutable proof) as having survived both attacks is Yamaguchi. Chinaman88 (talk) 07:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Some Problems
We hear about what happened to him in the first bombing but not the second. Or is it that he was telling his supervisor about what happened to him in the first one when the second one happened? This isn't clear. Of course the article is way too short. Also I removed a reference to The Times (though left the citation). In New York the New York Times is called The Times. In LA the Los Angeles Times is called the Times. As there is no famous publication simply called The Times (at least, not famous to hundreds of millions of Americans) I changed the sentence to read simply that such and such was said in an interview and left (of course) the citation. Gingermint (talk) 20:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've read this article some time ago which tells his story in a very detailed way. Perhaps we could use this source to expand the article. Apparently, he was indeed talking to his boss about the first bombing when the second one occurred. Laurent (talk) 20:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe the publication in question is officially the Times of London, but is known fairly universally as just The Times. It may not be famous to you (I'm an American, and well familiar with it), but that is what it's called as a rule. --Jfruh (talk) 21:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

What kind of Cancer?
The article is not very specific or helpful on many points. What kind of cancer? Did this guy ever hear again? Were there any long-term effects of his... what should one call it? His experiences? Gingermint (talk) 20:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Error in article or news listing
The article says he was one of the few to survive both bombings, but the wiki "in the news" listing says he was the only double survivor. Both can't be correct.  — Rlevse • Talk  • 11:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * he was the only person on both lists CorvetteZ51 (talk) 11:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * He was the only double survivor recognized by the Japanese government. Other people are "self-defined" double survivors. Physchim62 (talk) 12:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, looks like that was clarified in the article and/or ITN too. Thanks.  — Rlevse • Talk  • 23:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Layout
I've expanded the layout and clarified his survivor status in the lead so that its clearer about the actual number of double bomb survivors. Hope it helps, Ranger Steve (talk) 12:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

'the human cockroach'
i demand a source and inclusion in the article. --Leladax (talk) 18:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not quite sure I get what you mean, but if you want to be included in the article... Well, first you'll need to get a reliable source that states you are a human cockroach. Then (if there is one), you'll need to demonstrate some relevant link to the subject of this article. If you're expecting a reference that Mr Tsutomu Yamaguchi was a human cockroach, well I'm afraid that 'demanding' a source won't get you anywhere.  You are of course free to look for one though.  Ranger Steve (talk) 18:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Even if Leladax had a reliable source which verified that he or she was a human cockroach, it would still violate Conflict of interest if he or she added it to the article. Grundle2600 (talk) 22:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

rest in peace Tsutomu Yamaguchi
Trum5770 (talk) 23:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * RIP MikelZap (talk) 08:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

His daughter's age/birth date
The article mentions that Yamaguchi had bandages on his body until his daughter was 12 but it doesn't say how long a period that was. Was the time period her entire lifetime? Dismas |(talk) 02:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * She was 60 in March, 2009. It's written in the linked ref. page. Please read the Independent article carefully. Oda Mari (talk) 06:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Still, cant we put a "for X years" up? Its confusing as written, Id argue.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.75.149 (talk) 10:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've already put a footnote in the text, explaining when she would have been 12 based on her age when the article was written. I don't see how its confusing, but feel free to explain why. Ranger Steve (talk) 11:09, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Radiation Related?
Can we seriously say his stomach cancer was radiation related after manifesting itself half a century later? I know the guy in the guardian did but perhaps we should be more reliable?Cambion (talk) 11:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The claim has been deleted, but I'm still not comfortable with the claim that his other illnesses, leukemia and cataracts, are "radiation-related", as discussed above. I know the phrase comes from the cite (and Wikipedia demands verifiability, not truth), and those illnesses of course can be caused by radiation exposure, but as it stands the wording implies that they must have been caused by the bombings when there is no evidence of this. (And it was the stomach cancer that killed him, not the leukemia.)YLee (talk) 22:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Name of the book?
It says in the article that "he wrote a book about his experiences". But it doesn't name the title of the book. Jschoder (talk) 11:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This is the book. Oda Mari (talk) 17:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Added it. FCTS 142 (talk) 15:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * He wrote at least three books, ISBN 978-4022616333 "Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Double Atomic Bomb Vicitim" and the above referenced ISBN 978-4062141659 "The life I live by grace of others: Hiroshima, Nagasaki two-times atomic bomb victim's testemony from his 90th year." my trans. The phrase "Life lived by the grace of others (Ikasareteiru Inochi)" is a Japanese idioma refering to the belief that individual existance is interdpendently constructed, that one lives, that one is, by the grace of those that one loves and is loved by. Yamaguchi also wrote and self published a volume of poety called "Human Raft" (人間筏)--Timtak (talk) 23:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

QI
I'm not even sure if the "BBC controversy" section should be there because it is about one incident following Yamaguchi's death rather than something he was involved in during his lifetime. If it stays, though, it has to be less biased than the original write-up, which was clearly written by Japanese users (various grammar errors typical of non-native speakers) and, more importantly, only gave the assumption among some Japanese commentators that this show was just offensive. I have added some context and info about the outcry against Japan (people complained that the Japanese didn't understand British humor and had no right to complain given their war record, etc.). I have also removed refs to "apology" because the BBC didn't really apologise, merely acknowledged that it had caused offence to some people. Smoking in Japan (talk) 11:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

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Contradiction in the Heath section
It states in the health section that "Despite this, Yamaguchi went on to lead a healthy life" but then a few lines later says he died "after a lifetime of illness." How can it be both? Cls14 (talk) 07:57, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

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Number of Children?
The article mentions giving birth to two daughters, but that he had three children. The obvious implication would be that the third was a son, but there isn't an indication of when that child would have been born in relation to the daughters. 68.60.202.174 (talk) 04:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)