Talk:Turner Broadcasting System/Archive 1

Magnetic Lights?

 * What's a magnetic light? 128.61.49.130 18:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

TBS Networks?

 * I thought it was "Turner Broadcasting", not "TBS Networks". I can't find evidence to support "TBS Networks". WizardDuck 18:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The formal company name is Turner Broadcasting Systems, Inc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.41.185 (talk) 15:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Team Coco
Technically and legally speaking Team Coco is not a brand owned by Turner it is actually owned by Conan O'Brien and his production company Conaco. O'Brien owns his show Conan much like Johnny Carson owned his version of the Tonight Show and David Letterman who owns The Late Show, whereas Jay Leno's production company Big Dog Productions co-produces the Tonight Show but does not own it, NBC made sure of this when they regained full ownership of the Tonight Show brand following Carson's departure. If there is no objections I'd like to delete Team Coco. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 00:39, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Deleted. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 18:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism

 * I have to apologize to the Wikipedia community. A coworker thought it would be funny to change this article. It was "reported" to me shortly after the change was made, which I fixed. I then noticed said changes came from the same IP address (corporate proxy server). GregorBraun (talk) 15:39, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Multiple errors fixed in Infobox
Today, I discovered that the Infobox contained multiple errors. Some companies were incorrectly listed as divisions when they are actually subsidiaries; some were under different companies under Turner Broadcasting System. I removed some companies completely from the Infobox while the remainder were moved to the correct places.

I apologize for any inconvenience caused at Talk:Time Warner as I accidentally posted there. I was rushing and confused this page with the above talk page.

If anybody has any comments please mention me specifically so I get notified. -Jesant13 (talk) 22:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --CR85747 (talk) 05:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

The "Turner Broadcasting System" name still is used in corporate communications from the company. The bottom of the front page of Turner.com says "©, ® and ™ 2015. Turner Broadcasting System, Inc.", Time Warner's most recent 10-Q statement states that "The Turner segment consists of businesses managed by Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. (“Turner”)." CR85747 (talk) 05:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 15 February 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Common name is an argument, but WP:NATURAL is a counterargument, and the (company) moniker could indeed be confused with other companies. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:01, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Turner Broadcasting System → Turner (company) – the broadcasting system was dropped years ago. (Procedural request, I'm just fixing a misplaced request that was made by an IP within the article text itself.) -- Ed (Edgar181) 15:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

The "Turner Broadcasting System" name still is used in corporate communications from the company. The bottom of the front page of Turner.com says "©, ® and ™ 2015. Turner Broadcasting System, Inc.", Time Warner's most recent 10-Q statement states that "The Turner segment consists of businesses managed by Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. (“Turner”)." CR85747 (talk) 08:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME.  ONR (talk)  18:44, 25 February 2016 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old Naval Rooftops (talk • contribs)


 * Oppose for now due to the ambiguity of the proposed title and per WP:NATURAL. The company is Turner Broadcasting System and the brand is Turner.  The proposed title is not naturally disambiguated and could be confused with other companies also called simply "Turner" such as Turner Construction. However, I am open to further evidence or arguments.  —  AjaxSmack   03:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Date of foundation
I'm trying to find a reliable source as to when Turner Broadcasting System was founded, but it's proving difficult. This page from Turner's website in 2001 states that Turner Communications Group bought TBS in 1970, but the implication of this statement is that Turner Communications Group was already in existence in 1970 and the date of foundation was sometime before that. Meanwhile, this business filing from the Georgia Secretary of State shows that Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. was formed on May 12, 1965. Finally, I have a copy of Ted Turner's biography, which states that Turner's father purchased the company that would later become Turner Broadcasting System in about 1947. At the time the company was focused on advertising (billboards, particularly). Turner inherited the business in 1963 when his father died -- see "Call Me Ted," pages 7-8 and 67 -- and he diversified the company into radio and, later, television.

Given all these caveats, I think it would be safest to just use the Georgia Secretary of State filing as the "date of foundation," as it is an official government source, but it would also be worth noting in the history section that the company evolved out of Turner's father's advertising business. Just writing this here before adding it to the article, as there seems to be a dispute with an IP at the moment as to when the company was founded. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 06:52, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Game Show Network
I've read the source from SEC about WarnerMedia concerning about Game Show Network and Turner Broadcasting didn't inherit the 42% stake from the AT&T Entertainment Group. The WarnerMedia company itself inherited the stake. I also did a search on WM's site and Turner's site and Game Show Network isn't listed as a Turner property or co-property. So that's false.

You can look at the search for yourself here and do a search here. 173.93.196.72 (talk) 19:16, 24 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Can you point to a specific document on Warner's site that says this? I don't see it in the search results. Trivialist (talk) 22:46, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * In quote from the SEC article: "The WarnerMedia segment develops, produces and distributes feature films, television, gaming and other content in various physical and digital formats globally. Historical results from AT&T's Regional Sports Network (RSN) and equity investments (predominately Game Show Network and Otter Media Holdings), previously included in Entertainment Group, have been recast into the WarnerMedia segment and are combined with the Time Warner operations for the period subsequent to our acquisition on June 14, 2018." 2606:A000:ED84:5200:7036:AFF5:A96D:859A (talk) 05:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

I've noted this before elsewhere, but I want to again caution everyone from using SEC reports as evidence of corporate structure. WarnerMedia can report their results however they want; it is not necessarily evidence of what subsidiary owns what property. Aoi (青い) (talk) 05:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If it's not evidence, then what is it?2606:A000:ED84:5200:10C9:E7BB:3C04:3763 (talk) 08:38, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * It is evidence of how AT&T chooses to report its earnings to investors. Nothing more, nothing less. Aoi (青い) (talk) 08:42, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * So shall it stay or get removed? 2606:A000:ED84:5200:7C4F:5281:F95B:3F24 (talk) 01:37, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Unclear Phrasing
The line: "WTCG went from being a little television station to a major TV network that every one of the 24,000 households outside of the 675,000 in Atlanta was receiving coast-to-coast" in the 1970's section seems a bit hard to follow. Perhaps someone could rephrase that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harlequinharf (talk • contribs) 08:08, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Future of international operations?
Has the international operations of Turner's replacement, WarnerMedia Entertainment been renamed yet? HurricaneGeek2002 (talk) 00:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Defunct?
It seems like Turner still exists, according to this press release Turner released today (March 4). "Turner is a global entertainment, sports and news company that creates premium content, and delivers exceptional experiences to fans whenever and wherever they consume content. " Trivialist (talk) 00:28, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that this is probably the case--the company wouldn't simply disappear overnight. Today's announcement described a reorganization of WarnerMedia, but it did not indicate that the reorganization would take place with immediate effect. Aoi (青い) (talk) 01:23, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I would still list it defunct, as was the case with WarnerMedia. Also, the article you listed has nothing to do with the closure/merger or whatever you'd describe this. The company is dead, they are in the process of destroying the brand, at least that's what I think. HurricaneGeek2002 (talk) 01:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Per this article from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, it would appear that Turner still exists for now. Everything is in the future tense -- "The Turner brand will be phased out"; "AT&T said Monday it will divide up Atlanta-born Turner"; etc. The company will be defunct, but it isn't defunct yet. Aoi (青い) (talk) 02:07, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I guess I'll change some things then. HurricaneGeek2002 (talk) 02:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

The company will almost certainly continue to exist, at least on paper, for the foreseeable future. Reorganizing a conglomerate built up from decades of mergers is not easy or fast. Trivialist (talk) 00:34, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

And what source exactly said this? HurricaneGeek2002 (talk) 01:58, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

That's just common sense. Also, having its parts redistributed doesn't mean that the main company itself won't continue to exist, if only as a shell company, so it's not correct to say the company will be defunct or shut down unless you have a source specifically saying that. Trivialist (talk) 00:10, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm just going to list that it no longer owns any of it's American assets if that's the case. HurricaneGeek2002 (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Strictly speaking, we don't actually know how Warner will handle the restructuring, and who will officially own what. Trivialist (talk) 02:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think we should speculate as to what Turner might look like after the reorganization without reliable sources. Things like what assets are owned by who, whether the international operations will be treated differently from the US operations, etc...I would vote that it is best to wait and see what actually happens instead of making assumptions. Aoi (青い) (talk) 01:15, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Seconded. Trivialist (talk) 02:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. I guess it's best to wait until we get more infomation. HurricaneGeek2002 (talk) 16:52, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

The website has been taken down now but Turner is still using its social media accounts, so still not dead yet. HurricaneGeek2002 (talk) 23:19, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

And even after those shut down, Turner will likely exist in some form, if only as an in-name-only company for legal purposes. Companies aren't required to have websites or social media accounts, after all. Trivialist (talk) 23:44, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, once the reorganization does take place, we should list Turner as a such, instead of a "defunct company". Also, the transfer of channels like CN and Adult Swim has not taken place yet, and users keep listing it as owned by Warner Bros. The article with the source never gave a window on when that would happen and spoke of the transfer in past tense. That's why all channels should stay listed as owned by Turner until the transfer happens. Plus, the websites still state as owned by Turner. HurricaneGeek2002 (talk) 15:29, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

"Fate: Assets sold to WarnerMedia"
Regarding this edit: I've noted before in an earlier edit summary that it's inaccurate to state that Turner is defunct because its "assets were sold to WarnerMedia" but the edit was made again so I want to expand it here. Because Turner has been owned by Time Warner/WarnerMedia for more than two decades, it doesn't make sense to say its assets were sold to WarnerMedia. You don't sell assets to yourself. I've removed the edit because it was inaccurate. Aoi (青い) (talk) 20:38, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Then I don’t know. Otherwise, you can’t say that Turner is a former company without a reason of fate and a defunct date. Again, I would have put the fate as “Dissolved” but I’m pretty sure that’s “inaccurate” too. Yet, this is becoming to much. HappyINC (talk) 21:57, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * How about... waiting until there's definitive sourced information? Trivialist (talk) 22:03, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * [|There is.] And it is an reliable source. And good idea. Let’s wait for more. HappyINC (talk) 22:07, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Wait a minute, dang. It got deleted. HappyINC (talk) 22:07, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Wait no it didn’t. I messed it up trying to link it. Here: https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/turner-brand-time-warner-tnt-tbs-trutv-1203160652/ HappyINC (talk) 22:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Defunct and fate
OK, This is going too much. All with these people re-inserting the defunct date and the reason of fate, The company defuncted '''THREE. FREAKING. MONTHS AGO'''. IT DEFUNCTED MARCH 4, 2019. And it’s website REDIRECTED to WarnerMedia. And y’all STILL didn’t come with ANYTHING. Y’all keeping on reverting the defunct date and the fate because “no sources” Even though I try and it STILL get reverted. Come on man, FIGURE SOMETHING OUT! HappyINC (talk) 14:07, 9 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Turner.com redirecting to WarnerMedia's website doesn't automatically mean that Turner no longer exists, just that Warner isn't using the Turner name. Also, no one has provided a source saying (1) Turner is defunct and (2) what date it became defunct. Turner will likely continue to exist even if its divisions are redistributed, if only as a company on paper that still holds copyrights and such, so it's incorrect to say that it's "defunct." Trivialist (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

LA Times articles
Before anyone else uses this Los Angeles Times article as proof that "Turner is defunct," can you please show where specifically it says Turner is defunct, and that it became defunct on the exact day the article was published? Trivialist (talk) 21:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Turner (kinda) still exists
I drove by Turner’s Atlanta headquarters today, literally nothing happened to the buildings there. The Williams Street building (Cartoon Network and Adult Swim’s headquarters) even still had the TBS Inc. lettering on it. Looks like Turner will still exist as a holding company/dormant company or something akin to that. HurricaneGeek2002 :P (talk) 17:41, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Did some more research, Turner is still incorporated in the UK, and the broadcast licenses are still under Turner UK. The fact that WarnerMedia isn’t being very clear about this is very confusing. HurricaneGeek2002 :P (talk) 21:25, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

The various Turner companies will probably continue to exist, since transferring licenses, property, contracts, etc., would be a lot of work by WarnerMedia for no real gain. Trivialist (talk) 00:30, 3 August 2019 (UTC)