Talk:Ultrasonic cleaning

I have cleaned up the text, added some everyday instances where a reader may observe these devices at work, and given a general description of the way in which they are used. Reverted to a single US$ price (that seems to be the first one written, and exchange rates and profit margins vary) and coupled the price to a specific year. To my mind, this remains a stub. Things which I can think of being added include: Which kind of materials can or cannot be cleaned (limitations)? What cleaning fluids are used, and why? What are the advantages and disadvantages compared with other methods of cleaning? What are the precautions, dangers or risks involved (e.g. from ultrasound or from the fluids used)? Seejyb 21:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, for instance, is it dangerous to put your hand in the fluid? --Error (talk) 19:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The grammar in the article is difficult to read in areas and redundancy abounds. Edits are needed to add a professional feel to the text. Inserted the cleanup tag. 71.234.63.28 12:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

pulsating signal?
why become the actuators a pulsiting signal of a given frequency to its ultrasonic frequency? I wanna know that because of every cleaner you can see the water vibrating! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saludacymbals (talk • contribs) 14:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Merge?
Do not merge: I do not think the Ultrasonic cleaning should be merged into Sonication. If anything Sonication should be merged here. Sonication and Ultrasonic cleaning are not the same thing. While the principle of Sonication is strongly related to ultrasonic cleaning, the uses and application are very different. --Mattarata 15:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. It makes no sense to merge sonication into ultrasonic cleaning. Ultrasonic cleaning is one of the several applications of sonication; sonication to drive chemical reactions is not an application of ultrasonic cleaning. The sonication bath is essentially the same, whether you want to degas a liquid, or you want to clean a pair of spectacles. The difference is the cost (everything from a lab supply house is expensive), function (temperature control, timer), construction (plastic versus SS) and the attendant solvent resistance. I feel a merge is necessary to prevent a content fork. --Rifleman 82 15:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm a bit reluctant about this merge because the applications and the names are so different, but if a merge is to be done, I agree that it would only make sense if it is from ultrasonic cleaning to sonication, because the latter is the more general term. Itub 16:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I am pro-merge. There might possibly be a better title for the combined article. Applications of ultrasound? ike9898 19:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Both articles/subjects Ultrasonic cleaning and Sonication need further development regardless of merger and are laking any sources. On the topic of merging these articles are distinct subjects, they may have some information in common, but ultrasonic cleaning is a very common practice in industry, medical and science fields. Furthermore ultrasonic cleaning as a separate article can be written to a more general audience, a deeper Sonication article probably will need to contain more scientific jargon and concepts. I would advocate having a short section in Sonication article about Ultrasonic cleaning with a link to the main article on Ultrasonic cleaning, and in Ultrasonic cleaning's intro describe it as a form of Sonication with a wiki-link to Sonication. This would allow similarity to be presented and/or a description of it as an application to be presented in the Sonication article, and further depth be added to both subjects.


 * The Ultrasonic bath as it stands now should be merged into something or heavily modified.

WikipedianYknOK 05:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Do not merge. These are two different applications. Derek Balsam(talk) 17:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I am not for the merging of the articles. Sonication does not necessarily include ultrasonics since by definition sonics is in the audio range. Ultra sonics is by definition above the audio range. Producing Ultrasonics involves things like piezoceramics of different types to cause the ultrasonic action where as sonics can be done through magnetics and similar devices. I beleive I have the knowledge to know since part of my inventions was in ultrasonic cleaning when I worked for L & R Manufacturing Co. My patent was 4,141,608 for ultrasonics. Frnk1231 15:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC) frnk1231


 * Not merge sonication is about a very specific laboratory technique and so catagorized. V8rik (talk) 18:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Ultrasonic Bath
An ultrasonic bath is used for many other activities other than cleaning. For example I use them on a regular basis to increase particle suspension uniformity prior to electrophoretic deposition. Would it be possible for someone to make a page as appropriate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.39.155 (talk) 17:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Warm?
"A warm solution is best, at about 50-65°C" Why? Is that even true? 63.99.207.1 (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

It's true for the same reasons any cleaning solution works better warm to hot. I'm not an ultrasonic expert, I just use one every day... The ultrasonic energy only gives a push behind the soap, it's not a substitute for it. Jjdon (talk) 22:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Ultrasonic Blind Cleaning
ProBlindcleaner (talk) 04:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC) Ultrasonic blind cleaning is a practical extension of the unique properties of ultrasonic technology. Unlike hand or power washing methods of cleaning blinds, the ultrasonic energy gently yet thoroughly cleans every surface, cord and part of the blind immersed in these specially made (typically) long narrow tanks.

While cleaning blinds ultrasonically is not technically difficult, the use of proper techniques for handling the blinds, the use of safe chemistry and operating temperatures do affect the outcomes. While thousands of blinds are safely and routinely cleaned every day by experienced cleaners. While it is possible to damage blinds, remove paint (the cavitation power of the ultrasonics will remove anything loose) or damage the finish, the cause of the problem often is traceable directly to improper handling, chemistry, temperatures or other cleaning procedures. Correctly applied, this technology has the ability to clean many types of metal, vinyl and fabric blinds safely, effectively and efficiently.

When dealing with an ultrasonic blind cleaner it is best to ask a few questions about their background and experience in cleaning the particular type of window treatment one may have. Do they have any specialized training, certifications or qualifications? Do they stand behind their work? Did the cleaner pre-inspect the shades and discuss problems with you such as the potential for glue line failure in honeycomb blinds? Pricing for cleaning varies from company to company and is not necessarily an indication of the quality of the service one can expect. The company advertizing the cheapest rates in town or willing to beat any competitor's written quotes may not provide the best value if there is a problem. Finding a reputable ultrasonic blind cleaner can be done either through a professional network such as the Blindcleaners.biz Network or talking to your decorator, area blind retailers or in local business listings.

Safety?
How safe are ultrasonic cleaners for operators? What would happen if you put your hand in one while it was operating? RJFJR (talk) 19:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Hydrosonic Cleaning
Is ultrasonic cleaning the equivalent of hydronsonic cleaning? Should there be a section on hydrosonic cleaning, within this section, or should it be mentioned? Should hydronsonic cleaning have its own section? Natural (talk) 12:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)Natural

only used for cleaning?
Ultrasonic bath is only used for cleaning or anything else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.252.5 (talk) 07:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

sonicator
I removed this from the lead because sonicator may be a brand name. RJFJR (talk) 16:20, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * , sometimes called a sonicator,

Effectiveness of plain water
"Ultrasonic activity (cavitation) helps the solution to do its job; plain water would not normally be effective" -- this is poorly worded and gives an incorrect impression that plain water is insufficient in Ultrasonic cleaning matchines. In many applications, plain water is sufficient and manufacturer's documentation says as much. While cleaning solutions can enhance certain types of cleaning, it is just wrong to say water is "would not normally be effective"