Talk:Underground restaurant

This sure does read like an advertisement to me. 75.36.211.245 08:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't read like a wiki article, in any case. I added the cleanup template. --199.60.112.10 (talk) 23:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

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Also, the article gives an artificially limited definition of underground restaurants. Many are roving; many are event based and held outdoors, in parking lots, on farms, in rented spaces, etc. etc. etc..

For reference, author should consult the ghetto gourmet website (a national clearinghouse on undergrounds ... it just covers the u.s., but gives an idea of the range of possibilities) and Jenn Garbee's book Secret Suppers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.255.216 (talk) 02:44, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

The ghetto gourmet website is limited to only those underground restaurants associated with Ghetto Gourmet and is overall quite limited in scope, it's not a national clearinghouse by any stretch of the imagination. In re the question of merging with the page on popup restaurants - they're a different category. Underground restaurants tend, on the whole to be only quasi-legal and most often are illegal ventures that are usually ongoing offerings, generally in spaces that are not and often cannot be licensed as restaurants, and often, though not always, run by home cooks. Popups are usually one time or short series events that are held on the premises of an existing restaurant or catering space, or at a location which receives a temporary license for short term use, and are often run by guest chefs from another venue, utilizing their own or hired staff to work the event. Although related, they are different. User:dmperlman 15 November 2012 —Preceding undated comment added 12:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced list
An issue with the article is that the listed restaurants are all unsourced. I could make up a so-called underground restaurant in Albania or Timbukthree and you wouldn't know the difference. This is why we require verifiable reliable sources. Unless each an everyone can be sourced, or better yet shown notability by having an article written, they should be removed. -- Alexf(talk) 19:05, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Their existence can be sourced from http://supperclubfangroup.ning.com/ . However you will not find them in the yellow pages (UK) as they are 'underground' ie secretly in people's homes. That's the whole point! This info has been acceptable to Wikipedia for several years. Why change it now when many more people are interested in attending due to the recession? LHBmypc (talk) 20:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * People's interest is not relevant. Notability is. Until the rules are changed, that's what is required. See the Golden Rule. -- Alexf(talk) 20:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Alex, I don't mean to be challenging, but I'm just sticking up for us small guys. Wiki rules say "Notability guidelines do not limit content within an article."

Guidelines on notability about a subject ask for independent verification. Please see: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/jamies-american-road-trip/episode-guide/series-1/episode-3 http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/feb/10/underground-restaurants-london

The actual listing of the clubs is collaborating narrative to give credence to the article. For example you wouldn't write an article on 'giving blood' without giving readers a pointer on how to take part.

There are no web links to individual clubs. They are only named to give weight to the existence of the movement (see notability above).

However on this wiki site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladar there is a direct web link to an on-line directory of all of Cuba's underground restaurants.

I hope this info helps. LHBmypc (talk) 15:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi...just piping in here. I think there is a significant difference between supperclubs and pop-up restaurants and would hate to see these two pages merged. Supperclubs generally offer home cooking out of people's homes - and this is their charm. Pop-ups are typically more professional outfits (though not always :_) often run by restaurants or chefs as a marketing activity or as a try-out for setting up commercial restaurants. They're really not the same. I agree, lots of restaurants are just using the words "pop up" or "supperclub" but it's not the same experience at all.Vintage Teas (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2013 (UTC)Vintage Teas

I also vouch for MsMarmiteLover's website http://supperclubfangroup.ning.com/ as a comprehensive source of information about underground supperclubs. Hope that helps the discussion! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.191.62 (talk) 15:47, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I've been listed as an underground tea room on Ms Marmite Lover's site since 2010 and it's definitely a comprehensive reference source for supperclubs and underground dining in the UK and abroad. Also her published book is an excellent reference for all concerned including would-be supperclub hosts: Supperclub: Recipes and notes from the underground restaurant Vintage Teas (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2013 (UTC)Vintage Teas


 * The listings will each need reliable third party sources. I have started to add them to help some of the newer editors understand a bit about how to source.  Many are still unsourced, but many do have legitimate third party reliable sources. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 22:33, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

My underground ( or secret ) supper club has been listed on Ms Marmite Lover's site Find a Supper Club for almost 2 years as well as on Saltshaker.net - it also has a well established blog with details of dinner dates, menus etc as well as reviews in Le Monde M magazine, French Elle online, Hong Kong Week-end and the The Daily Meal, listed as one of "the chicest and most coveted underground dinners around the world" in an article on foxnews.com. Numerous bloggers have had dinner with us and posted reviews. I too feel that pop-up is not necessarily the same as underground - a pop-up indicates here one week or month gone the next, whereas secret supper clubs more usually occupy the same venue ( or a number of venues) on a regular basis. New Friends Table (talk) 19:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

"Casa particulares"
I know Cubans hardly pronounce their final s's, but this should surely read "casas particulares".213.127.210.95 (talk) 22:35, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Google Guide
I have been eliminating lots of these places from Google Maps. As a Local Guide with a high trust-rating I can do this. I was not aware of the ‘secret restaurant’ thing, but I’ll look more closely in future. Still, there are many places shown on Google Maps as ‘restaurants’ that are just private homes where drones go to drink brewskis, scoff burgers, and play GTA or whatever. Bang, they’re gone wherever I find ‘em. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:3403:5A1E:1315:989F (talk) 02:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)