Talk:United Parcel Service/Archive 3

UPS Driver Chris Tarantino
In the history section, removed:

"July 26, 2007: UPS Driver Chris Tarantino wears Brown for the last time"

Does not seem notable in any way shape or form, no rationale given for including this 'factoid'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ph0t0phobic (talk • contribs) 15:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed unsourced statement
In most ways, UPS is considered by many users to be superior to the federal postal system...

Appears to be in breach of WP:AWT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buffalo Bill (talk • contribs) 05:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Facts and Statistics section?
I think that the Facts and Statisics setion is very similar, if not the same as a trivia section, which would be discouraged under Wikipedia guidelines and that the information in that section should be integrated into the rest of the article. Does anyone agree or disagree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.251.249.207 (talk) 01:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I forgot to sign my previous comment. 99.251.249.207 (talk) 01:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Tone
This article has some tone issues. It essentially reads like an extended press release. There are phrases like "UPS, as the worlds largest package delivery company with 94,500 vehicles in operation, faces extraordinary environmental challenges" and one that says the company is most generous giver to federal political campaigns. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, half of it is straight out of their marketing department. And where's the dirt on the company? I don't think this is accurate at all! E.g. under the environment section, is says UP "faces extraordinary challenges", citing a UPS "fact sheet". What a load of rubbish. In fact I'm deleting that right now. Wik idea  18:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Removing NPOV & Advert tags
The original tagger didn't add anything on the discussion page that says why he feels the page violates NPOV criteria. Since the NPOV tag "means that there is an ongoing dispute about whether the article complies with a neutral point of view or not" and there has been no discussion since the tag was added in August, that indicates to me that there's consensus that the article doesn't violate NPOV. With regard to the advert tag, I don't see anything in the article that jumps out at me as "UPS is great - oh my goodness what a fantastic company." It looks like a pretty straight description of the organization. CruiserBob (talk) 19:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Linking To Worldport
Worldport, the UPS worldwide air hub in Louisville, KY, has its own fairly concise Wikipedia page. Worldport is crucial to our operations, more so than some of the other information that already appears on the page, and I think there should be a brief explanation and link to that entry somewhere in the UPS entry. It could be helpful either in the introductory paragraph or under Company Structure. Here’s one possible place for it:

UPS also operates its own airline (IATA: 5X, ICAO: UPS, and Callsign: UPS ) based in Louisville, Kentucky (edit: where its Worldport hub also resides).”

Cp ups (talk) 19:39, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I’d like to go ahead with this edit, if there’s no objection from an editor within the next 72 hours or so, I’ll go ahead with it. - Cp ups (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Pro UPS Slant
I have noticed there is no mention of contraversies in the article I know for a fact there to be some so whats with the slant?--209.181.16.93 (talk) 20:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Corporate Green Washing
there should be mention of the new Carbon neutral shipments offered while i feel this is just greenwashing it doesnnt keep it from being notable but i know i cant write it without being POV because i am pissed at them as well as thinking of it as a greenwwashing.--209.181.16.93 (talk) 20:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Car accident picture
I don't really understand why there was a picture of a small car accident in the article when it wasn't discussed. Seemed random, car accidents happen all the time.--WhereAmI (talk) 00:53, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I added the picture as its shows a variant of the vans that they use. No other vehicle was involved & the van simply hit a traffic light. Please do not remove it again & i think it would be nice if you could message me with any concerns instead of just removing my images. Thanks--Jenkinslane (talk • contribs) 23:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with WhereAmI, what does the image add to the article? The type of truck is already shown as the primary focus of several other images. The picture does not have a main focus on UPS and it does not add or serve any purpose in the article. Spikydan1 (talk) 22:23, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

They are actually different types of vans ie not the same.--Jenkinslane (talk • contribs) 23:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I took the photo back out. Showing a photo of a crashed van creates a needlessly negative image of UPS.  Articles are supposed to have a neutral point of view, and showing a van that crashed adds bias to the article.  --Beirne (talk) 22:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Competitors
Under the competitors section, DHL Express should probably be listed too, and linked to that page. Sorry don't know how to do that yet. 68.175.59.239 (talk) 01:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Why IS there a 'competitors' section? I looked over a few of the listed competitors, and none of them have a similar section... 203.217.150.69 (talk) 03:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced Material
Please feel free to reincorporate into article with proper sourcing. Thanks. Doniago (talk) 18:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Out-of-date info at linked webpage
Why does this page link to a webpage that offers out-of-date, incorrect info on Postal/Fed Ex/UPS holidays? (External links: U.S. Mail holidays – UPS holidays – FedEx holidays – Internet Accuracy Project) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biographylibrary (talk • contribs) 20:16, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * done - link removed.   78.26   (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 20:19, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

"During Christmas 2013, a small percentage of United Parcel Service customers (as well as FedEx customers) experienced delays as a result of unprecedented last-minute online holiday sales. United Parcel Service did not deliver on Christmas Day, but Sorters worked Christmas afternoon and evening to load planes. Most affected shipments were delayed by one day. [11]"

Is this trifling piece of information really necessary. don't you Wikipedia people have to work> You have nothing else to do but write this insignificant nonsense? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.239.250.100 (talk) 19:03, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Conflict with DHL
The first paragraphs in the UPS and DHL Express pages both claim that each company is the largest logistics company in the world. Which one is actually the largest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.175.177.98 (talk) 15:46, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

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UPS Mail Innovations vs. UPS SurePost
I just reworded the paragraphs referring to UPS Mail Innovations and UPS SurePost to clarify that they are separate UPS products & operations. The two are commonly confused, especially in comparison to FedEx SmartPost (whose name is similar to SurePost but operationally is more like Mail Innovations). In fact, Mail Innovations & SurePost have little in common beyond (a) the UPS brand, (b) tracking through the UPS website (Mail Innovations also has its own website), and (c) USPS final-mile delivery. I'm detailing the differences here for clarity without overburdening the main article with both text & formal references: --RBBrittain (talk) 06:45, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * UPS Mail Innovations (UPSMI) is a separate operating unit within UPS. It receives both mail and packages from shippers, then transports them through its own network of freight routes (which may OR may not be the same vehicles as UPS Freight, UPS Ground, or UPS Airlines) to UPSMI-specific hubs -- first one serving the shipper's area, then forwarded if necessary to the hub serving the recipient's area. From there, the UPSMI freight network delivers to various USPS facilities based on service level & volume -- including bulk mail centers (BMCs) and sectional center facilities (SCFs) where appropriate, but increasingly directly to the DDU (your local carrier unit) -- for final-mile delivery by USPS carriers. The main tracking number throughout this process is the USPS tracking number (though UPSMI also has its own internal number); there is NO option to divert the package to brown trucks (unlike SurePost). It basically operates exactly the same as its biggest zone-skipping competitors, FedEx SmartPost & DHL eCommerce US (fka Global Mail), as well as smaller consolidators like OSM Worldwide; they largely compete with USPS' own end-to-end services (First-Class Mail, Priority Mail, etc.)
 * UPS SurePost is a service offering of the main UPS business. Unlike UPSMI, SurePost packages (generally *not* ordinary mail) are picked up in brown trucks and delivered thru the UPS Ground network, just like any other UPS Ground package, until it reaches the destination UPS depot. Recipients enrolled in UPS' My Choice program can pay an additional fee (currently $3.50) on the UPS website to upgrade SurePost packages to full UPS Ground while in transit; otherwise the brown truck delivers the package to your USPS DDU for mail delivery the next business day. SurePost packages have *two* separate tracking numbers: a UPS number for UPS Ground handling, plus a separate USPS number (noted in the UPS tracking results) used SOLELY for the final mile (not used at all if upgraded to full UPS Ground). It's primarily geared at avoiding the extra costs of UPS Ground residential deliveries that led to the "residential surcharge" on those deliveries, which USPS doesn't incur as it visits every mailing address in America six days a week. (The $3.50 upgrade charge is roughly equivalent to the residential surcharge; consumers often pay it to avoid the delay -- usually one day -- in transferring the package from UPS to USPS.)

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