Talk:University of Zagreb

Name translations
Err, XJR, how is the Slovene name relevant because of Slovenes studying there? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't ever recall seeing that a faculty taught a subject in the language. On this note, Latin or Hungarian or German come to mind, rather.

Also, there have also been many other people of various ethnicities studying there, some likely more numerous than Slovenes, but there shouldn't be any reason to note how the university is called in their languages... it's a slippery slope. If we include the Slovene translation right there are the start, where does it end? --Joy &#91;shallot&#93;   21:11, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

New emblem

 * It would be necessary to change the old emblem. --Neoneo13 16:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Wrong label
Sorry, just want to mention that the description on the picture reads "faculty of philosophy", when actually, that building houses the faculty of law and the university administration. cheers.

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Rectors
I've re-formatted the list of rectors to tidy up the article and included only the rectors since 1874, when the modern university was founded, as it says at the univeryity's website.

I'll paste the list of rectors prior to 1874 here, and we can inlude it in later when the article develops further. Timbouctou (talk) 00:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Nikola Galović, 1614. - 1684., rektor 1660. - 1663.
 * Juraj Habdelić, 1609. - 1678., rektor 1664. - 1666.
 * Filip Kaušić, 1618. - 1673., rektor 1666. - 1670.
 * Petar Merkaš, rektor 1670. - 1673.
 * Mihael Škrlec, 1635. - 1687., rektor 1673. - 1676. i 1683. - 1686.
 * Stjepan Sajković, rektor 1676. - 1679.
 * Ivan Despotović, 1639. - 1611, rektor 1679. - 1682., 1686. - 1689. i 1704. - 1709.
 * Mihael Škenderić, rektor 1689. - 1692.
 * Tomo Ovčarović, 1653. - 1700., rektor 1692. - 1695.
 * Franjo Jambrehović, 1631. - 1703., rektor 1695. - 1698.
 * Ivan pl. Patačić, 1649. - 1700., rektor 1698. - 1700.
 * Andrija Horvat, 1660. - 1727., rektor 1701. - 1703.
 * Pavao Somalović, 1664. - 1718., rektor 1709. - 1712.
 * Franjo Pesci, rektor 1713. - 1714.
 * Nikola Kralić, 1675. - 1719., rektor 1715. - 1718.
 * Baltazar Chernkoczy, rektor 1718. - 1721.
 * Franjo Janešić, 1673. - 1736., rektor 1721. - 1724.
 * Jakob Pettinati, rektor 1724. - 1727.
 * Franjo Ksaver Barci, rektor 1728. - 1731.
 * Franjo Zdelar, 1685. - 1745., rektor 1731. - 1734.
 * Jakob Pejačević, 1681. - 1738., rektor 1734. - 1738.
 * Andrija Illia, 1694. - 1754., rektor 1738. - 1741.
 * Antun Galjuf, rektor 1741. - 1744.
 * Andrija Zamberger, 1693. - 1749., rektor 1744. - 1747.
 * Franjo Ksaver Petriš, rektor 1747. - 1750.
 * Stjepan Pepen, rektor 1750. - 1753.
 * Ivan Galjuf, 1710. - 1770., rektor (1753-1756)
 * Ivan Krstitelj Žalec, rektor (1756-1759)
 * Franjo Ksaver Pejačević, 1707. - 1781., rektor (1760-1763) i (1770-1772)
 * Petar Pertold, rektor (1763-1766)
 * Josip Percaić, rektor (1766-1769 i (1772-1773)
 * Franjo Popović, privremeni ravnatelj (1773-1776)

Kraljevska akademija znanosti, (1776-1850)
 * Nikola pl. Škrlec (Skerlecz) Lomnički, 1729. - 1799., vrhovni ravnatelj (1776-1788)
 * Petar Ivan grof Sermage Susedgradski, 1746. - 1804., vrhovni ravnatelj (1788-1794)
 * Ljudevit Marić, 17?? - 1811., vrhovni ravnatelj (1795-1811)
 * Josip grof Sermage Susedgradski, 1762. - 1833., vrhovni ravnatelj (1812-1833)
 * Ivan Petar Karlo grof Sermage Susedgradski, 1793. - 1851., vrhovni ravnatelj (1834-1836)
 * Antun pl. Kukuljević Sakcinski, 1776. - 1851., vrhovni ravnatelj (1836-1844)
 * Josip Schrott (Šrot), 1791. - 1857., vrhovni ravnatelj (1844-1850)

Kraljevska pravoslovna akademija, (1850-1874)
 * Pavao Muhić, 1811. - 1897., ravnatelj (1850-1871)
 * Matija Mesić, 1826. - 1878., privremeni poslovođa (1871-1874)


 * The entirely listing of all the rector names may be interesting for a monography, but it has no encyclopedic value! WP:NOTSTATSBOOK — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amelung10 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Legacy
The text in section Legacy should be revised. The University didn't provide academic degree bachelor before the introduction of the Bologna system. The degree master was indeed present, but it presented a completely different academic degree than the nowadays master degree in Croatian or other European universities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doma93 (talk • contribs) 09:47, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Discrimination affair
The paragraph about the well-known discrimination affair is continuiously beeing deleted by the user Sveuciliste1669 without any explanation. It is very possible that these deletions are made by the Faculty of Organization and Informatics which is responsible for discrimination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amelung10 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I don't really agree that the affair is that important to deserve a mention in the article. This kind discrimination is commonplace in Croatia. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 23:16, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

This case was the first juridical proceedings of its kind in Croatia and all Croatian media reported about it (for 3 years!). Look at the references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amelung10 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * This paragraph should be placed on the Wikipedia page about the Faculty of Organization and Informatics. This is an illegitimate misplacement because the legal entity responsible for discrimination is not University of Zagreb. Madelaine241 (talk) 17:58, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Faculty of Organization and Informatics is one of the constituent units („sastavnica“) of the University of Zagreb. If you look at the official site of Faculty of Organization and Informatics (http://www.foi.unizg.hr/eng) you’ll see above left on the page „University of Zagreb Faculty of Organization and Informatics Varaždin“. In fact, Kresic filed his suit against „University of Zagreb, Faculty of Organization and Informatics“ and the Court passed the sentence against the defendant „University of Zagreb, Faculty of Organization and Informatics", as well. --Amelung10 (talk) 15:48, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

The editors should probably acknowledge that the lawsuit is not really relevant for the University page. I think a good measure would be to mention it if you feel so strongly in the see also section. Although I don't see information like that mentioned for other universities, I.e. look at the Harvard entry and you won't see anything on http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/24/opinion/yang-harvard-lawsuit/ or any of the other affairs. The same goes for other Universities, campus shootings, police brutality etc. Also, its completely out of measure to have a whole paragraph for a single law suit (in what is not the core of the University anyway) as compared with the rest of the article. The out of proportion just jumps at the reader and leaves wikipedia vulnerable to accusations of amateurism in information processing. Also, there's no mention whatsoever on any of the corruption affairs on the faculty of Economics, which from an academic standpoint is much more serious. I won't take action now but will let the author of the paragraph consider it themselves, after that I think its up to the editors to reflect on the quality of the entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.45.130 (talk) 02:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The relevance of the lawsuit is not a question of „feeling“, but of the case itself (please look at the references). The case was the first juridical proceedings of its kind in Croatia and all the Croatian media reported about it (for 3 years long). There are hundreds of links about the case as well as official state publications. The CNN article you’re mentioning is just an opinion article - just a fact that someone filed a lawsuit against whatever (but no one final judgement exists!) is not comparable and not relevant. Furthermore, it’s not true that „information like that“ would not be mentioned for other universities, e.g. look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_State_University - the topic „Crime“ has even his own section! Although - according your logic - campus shooting, drug arrests etc. are not „the core“ of a university. Btw. you’re free to report on Wikipedia about the corruption affairs on the Economic faculty, Medical faculty etc. Think it should be also mentioned here. Amelung10 (talk) 21:34, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

The San Diego example does not have its own section 'Crime' but its listed in Controversy. Since you think its ok to move the topic from the specific faculty to the University level you might as well move the topic under the Croatian Government article which is ultimately responsible. You pick and choosing where to place the information is not adding to readers begin informed but of making a POV statement about institutions, blanket blaming everyone at the University without merit and doing a dis-service to the Croatian LGTB community by embroiling them into a needless conflict with those opposing this generalization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:0:1000:5700:6085:D50:78B7:A2E3 (talk) 22:00, 8 June 2016 (UTC)


 * "POV statement"? Please look at the references cited by the topic as well as to the discussions above. And don't forget the Wikipedia article guidelines. Amelung10 (talk) 13:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Internal organization
This topic contains original research (WP:OR) and has no weight (WP:NOTEVERYTHING), respectively, And it has nothing to do with the „History“ section. Amelung10 (talk) 08:40, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

The Discrimination affair section
It is a fairly tangential topic in an article about the university, which, nota bene has three dozen faculties. There is no indication that the discrimination issues are relevant for or are present in the university in general, so this looks more like an isolated incident. Its status ("the first lawsuit of its kind in Croatia") is an additional reason in favor of coverage in LGBT rights in Croatia instead of here. GregorB (talk) 19:15, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Please read the Talk page before you open a new discussion topic - your objections have already been discussed here. Btw. am wondering about your attitude to discrimination issues.Amelung10 (talk) 19:52, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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