Talk:Varig

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I think Varig went out of business in March 2005 - Adrian Pingstone 20:23, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, VARIG is being helped by Brazil government to keep on bussiness. VASP went out this year. TransBrasil was went in 2001. --GuimlBR 01:17, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * It hasn't gone out of business yet, but it is currently bankrupt. It will probably go out of business as attempts to find investors who are willing to buy it have failed. It is surprising that the wikipedia article has literaly ignored Varig's current troubles !


 * In fact, the Brazilian government is NOT helping Varig at all.

Permit me to correct your article in regard to Mr. Ruben Berta:

" Varig's first plane was a nine-passenger Dornier Wal flying boat. Its first employee, the Hungarian Ruben Berta, later became the airline's President and led the airline through great expansion until his death in 1966. The airline started operations on 15 July 1927. Varig's first flight was from Porto Alegre to Rio Grande, stopping in Pelotas."

Mr. Ruben Martin Berta was indeed of Hungarian ancestry on his mother side, however born in Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil on November 9, 1907 and deceased in Rio de Janeiro on December 14, 1966.

Joseph Oliveira Varig employee 13445 from Nov 3, 1966 through July 18, 2006 josepholiveira1@yahoo.com

Reasons
No reasons are given for the crisis. Lack of demand? High costs? Old equipment? Mismanagement?


 * The reason is mismanagement. It is expected, however, that from mid-December 2006, the so called "New Varig" will be managed in a more business-oriented fashion, when it will receive Federal approval to fly routes from the "Old Varig". It means that the new company will probably be less lenient to employees misruling the company, as was happening while the Ruben Berta Foundation was controlling Varig.

Accidents
I decided to remove the following information, as I think it is not really encyclopedic. I remember that on the day of this incident, the passengers did not even noticed the landing problem, and it did not not characterized a hull loss.


 * 16 June 2006, Flight 2004, at Brasília Airport, Brazil. The MD-11 jet lost its central rear landing gear while touching down. The aircraft landed safely and none of the 108 passengers aboard were injured.

MD-11
Does VRG still opeterate MD-11s ? --EuroSprinter 19:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Some of their MD-11s have been repossessed, while 3 of the MD-11s have been transferred to TAM by Boeing as a stopgap solution until the 777s they ordered arrive.--Dali-Llama 21:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I know all that, but in July 2006, three MD-11s were transferred to VRG Linhas Aéreas. Since January, the fleet is down to two, and someone anonymous has changed that info both on the airline and the aircraft article without providing any source where to check. So if the MD-11 is out of the "new" Varig fleet, since when is it ? --EuroSprinter 21:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Up until a few months ago, Varig was operating 6 MD-11s. 3 were transferred to TAM. That we know for sure. According to this, the other three have been placed in storage and two of those are apparently going to Aeroflot. Of the TAM aircraft, two of those are also going to Aeroflot once they get their 777s. There's more info on this on the MD-11 page.--Dali-Llama 23:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Varig is definitely still operating at least one MD-11 right now. I know, because it's flown me across the Atlantic (Frankfurt-Sao Paolo) twice in the last two weeks. The on-board entertainment system is broken, though. And they had troubles will the climate controls. -R —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.216.92.98 (talk) 11:42, 27 May 2007

Varig 777
It is listed in fleet that Varig has ordered 4 777-200ER. I can't find a source to verify that, but I have found an Unidentified order for 4 777-300ER, source Boeing Website. --Goldwing 5000 (talk) 11:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Current fleet
I've inserted the out of date template due to International Route Restructuration announced on April 10th, according to company's Press Release Marcio.gregory (talk) 12:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I've updated the fleet list based on the information from the GOL press release and from information from CH-Aviation. As I could not find any information about future aircraft orders, I left the current order number for B737s as it is. I also removed the B777 order information as there is no way to verify it. I did not remove the out of date information template due to the lack of information on the aircraft orders. Samuelbecks (talk) 22:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I´ve updated the fleet list based on the information from CH-Aviation. I removed the out of date template and replaced it by citation needed near the orders information. Marcio.gregory 01:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Varig's Financial Situation
Hi there.

I have been trying to fix the financial situation section of the article for a while with no success. Would it be possible for someone to summarise it or even expand and organise it as a separate article away from the Varig article? regards Samuelbecks (talk) 23:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done (Brunoptsem (talk) 19:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC))

2003 Strike
I see there is no mention of a strike in 2003. I was in Brazil for an international Herpetology conference June/July 2003. While we were there, apparently workers for Varig went on strike. It disrupted the conference and ruined our connecting flights back in the US. I don't know how encyclopedic this is, but it certainly builds the information up for the parts about bankruptcy.Colchicine (talk) 03:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Dear Colchicine, The article leaves clear the problems that the airline underwent between 2000 and 2006. Only the most important details were kept. In spite of the disruption that the strike caused to your travel plans, it is but one detail on the reasons for the bankruptcy and in the history of the airline that spans from 1927 to 2006. (Brunoptsem (talk) 19:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC))

Separate VARIG S.A. from VRG Linhas Aéreas S.A.
We should separate VARIG S.A.(collapsed) and the BRAND that is still in use on some GOLs fuselages. VRG Linhas Aéreas S.A., owned by GOL, is not operating independently anymore, it was completely merged ingo GOL G3 last year.  I will start to rewrite the page of VARIG as VARIG S.A., the old one, and redirect all the links from VRG Linhas Aéreas S.A. to Gol Transportes Aéreos S.A. If someone can help I will apreciate. --GhostPax (talk) 10:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest this article to be transfered to the category Defunct airlines.--88.74.20.149 (talk) 10:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. (Brunoptsem (talk) 13:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC))

Some Documentation for the Page from GOL/VARIG
Meaghan Smith from Edelman, on behalf of GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes. There are a few inaccuracies in the article about VARIG and we’d love to work with someone to help improve the article.

For background, GOL acquired the VARIG brand in March 2007, so the Company has complete data and sources for all information we propose revising. Operating subsidiary VRG Linhas Aéreas S.A. owns and operates both the GOL and VARIG brands.

Per the Wikipedia guidelines, we didn’t want to make any revisions ourselves, but have listed below specific items that should be revised for accuracy, including citations. We’ll be following the page if you have any questions or need additional information!

1.	The summary box title lists the company as grounded, which is not correct. Currently, the VARIG brand is controlled by VRG Linhas Aéreas S.A..

2.	Member lounges are no longer VARIG First, VARIG Business. The company renamed its member lounges as Smiles Lounges, which are available to Comfort Class customers, Smiles Gold and Diamond members, as well as to partner carriers’ eligible passengers.

3.	The VARIG branded fleet size is no longer 27; its new fleet size is 18 (operating both GOL and VARIG assigned flights). Unfortunately, we don’t have a published source.

4.	To complete the “Destinations” bullet: The VARIG brand now operates in six destinations (São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Aruba, Bogotá, Caracas and Punta Cana)

5.	In the opening description, we’d like to add that GOL purchased the VARIG brand and part of Viação Aérea Rio Grandense’s operating assets in March 2007. VARIGLOG is now owned by another company.

6.	In the sentence about Nordeste Linhas Aéreas Regionais (99%) and Rio Sul Serviços Aéreos Regionais, we’d like to add that these brands are not part of VRG and are not currently operating. Unfortunately, we don’t have a published source.

7.	At the end of the following paragraph, we’d like to add that the company’s VIP Lounges in São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Porto Alegre and Curitiba were refurnished and reopened. a.	VARIG's international flights would no longer have First Class, therefore consisting only of Economy Class and Business (Executive) Class. Key domestic services would be operated, including the Rio de Janeiro to São Paulo shuttle, using VARIG's 124 slots at Congonhas-São Paulo International Airport.

8.	We would also like to update the “present” section with the information below: a.	On September 25, 2008, GOL received Anac’s approval to merge Gol Transportes Aéreos S.A. and VRG Linhas Aéreas S.A. into a single carrier – VRG –, which would operate both the Gol and Varig brands. The following month the two airlines’ booking systems were integrated and sales concentrated on Gol’s website, www.voegol.com.br.

b.	Smiles, VARIG’s frequent flyer program, was also extended to all Gol flights.

c.	After the merger, the GOL brand was assigned to all domestic destinations, plus short-haul international flights, to Assuncion (Paraguay), Buenos Aires, Cordoba and Rosario (Argentina), Montevideo (Uruguay), Santa Cruz de la Sierra (Bolivia) and Santiago (Chile, via Buenos Aires). VARIG would be the group’s operating brand on longer, medium-haul international flights, to Bogota (Colombia), Caracas (Venezuela) and Santiago (Chile, via São Paulo), in addition to offering daily flights to Buenos Aires (Argentina).

d.	VARIG’s Santiago flight was suspended in August, 2009, but the brand expanded to the Caribbean, with the launch of scheduled operations in Aruba and Punta Cana (via Caracas) on October 4, 2009 and April 3, 2010, respectively.

e.	As of June 2009, most of VRG’s IATA and ICAO-coded flights migrated to GOL’s standard numbers, under G3 and GLO. Unfortunately, we don’t have a published source.

9.	We would like to update the statistics section with the following information: a.	VRG Linhas Aéreas S.A., operating as both GOL and VARIG, is currently the second largest carrier in Brazil. The company operates over 860 flights to 50 domestic and 11 international destinations, with a combined fleet of 108 aircraft. According to Anac, the company had a 41.4 percent domestic market share in March 2010.

Meaghani03 (talk) 22:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I will carefully work on the items mentioned and correct where necessary. But please bear in mind that this article is about the now defunct "old" Varig and not about "new" Varig, now a brand operated by VRG Linhas Aéreas. Information about "new" Varig has been integrated into the Gol Linhas Aereas article. Thanks for your input. (Brunoptsem (talk) 13:09, 16 December 2010 (UTC))


 * Dear Meaghan, I carefully read your documentation for which, by the way, I thank. As I already made clear, the present article is about "old" Varig, the original and now defunct airline of that name. All information pertaining the name Varig after 2006 is found under the article of Gol. Items 5 to 8 will be taken into consideration in a text edition. The remaining items will be integrated into the Gol article. As you might be aware, there is a lot of confusion related to "old" and "new" Varig, which are two completely different judicial entities. I hope, however, that the article makes the distinction clear. The article concerning destinatins, which previously comprised both arlines, was edited and now Varig destinations are related to "old" Varig and the "new" Varig destinations are listed in the Gol destinations article. BRGDS (Brunoptsem (talk) 18:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC))

Varig Logo
There has been some confusion about the Logo of Varig. It has happend already a few times that the logo of "new" Varig has been uploaded to this article, related to "old" Varig. The correct logo is found on the article in Finnish, see: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varig. I've tried to upload it to the article in English but had no success. Anyone could help me? Thanks! (Brunoptsem (talk) 13:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC))
 * Done (Brunoptsem (talk) 08:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC))

Addition of non-existant categories
This is the third time an IP adds a category that hasn't been created yet. I've reverted two of these edits, and requested for protection of the article following the last one. Can you, the author of these edits, discuss your changes here at the article's talk page? Thanks.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 00:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

"Old" Varig
The second paragraph of this section contains this sentence "After the bankruptcy protection was lifted, the administration of the airline could have returned to its original owner, Fundação Ruben Berta, which still owed 87% of the shares of Varig.[33]". It seems to me that the sentence means to say "owned", not "owed".Wcomm (talk) 05:21, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 13:40, 9 January 2019 (UTC)