Talk:Vasilios Tsiartas

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I just created this page, I hope it is ok. i was not sure what images to put without breaking any laws as i would like one of him at Sevilla and AEK as well as playing for the NT. Reaper7 16:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't it read as Alexandreia, Central Macedonia, Greece, as does the entry for Vryzas, another of the players in the 2004 Greek National Team?121.222.69.233 (talk) 01:56, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

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Good thing Henning Makholm removed it. It looked awful and bordered with a WP:BITE vio. N i k o  S il v e r  (T)@(C) 10:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So why didn't you? When I put it there, the page contained no indication about which sport the person was active in. Henning Makholm 11:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * (Actually I thought all the cleanup boxes contained instructions along the line of "remove this tag when you have corrected the problem". I see now that the wikify is the only one that does. Strange. Apologies if Reaper7 got the impression that he couldn't remove the tag himself once he added the necessary context.) Henning Makholm 11:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, no, no, you got me all wrong Makholm. I hadn't noticed who placed the tag. I meant it nicely. I was about to make those clarifications (especially "which sport"!) and remove it myself, you were just ahead of me. Bravo! Bravo to Reaper7 too, who just logged in and he created an article in his 2nd day here. N i k o  S il v e r   (T)@(C) 19:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Bravo re, now we need to find some nice shots of him, any ideas? Reaper7 11:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Try to see the licences of other similar photos of other players. That'll give you a hint on what kinda sources to browse. Best of luck! N i k o  S il v e r   (T)@(C) 19:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you explain why when I put 'Tsiartas' into the wiki search engine it still draws a blank? As when anyone links to the name Tsiartas. Can I alter the title to simply 'Tsiartas'? Can we reroute all 'Tsiartas' enquiries to here so the page can grow? Reaper7 22:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I made a few slight changes and added an article by uefa.com. I hope you don't mind...MIKa-ha 12:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice work Reaper7 01:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I added some videos from Euro 2004. Check them out! MIKa-ha 20:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

great work, you think we should also add this fucker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHEDTtVsps

beautiful no? Should we add it?? Reaper7 21:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I was thinking about it... I was also thinking of this one since he said it is one of his favourite goals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMJI3PcHQU8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVh5MR9kGGM

Maybe it would be a good idea if we divided his club career into different eras like: Youth Years (1987-1993), 1st AEK era (1993-1996), Seville era (1996-2000), The Return to AEK (2000-2004) and Closing a big career (2004-2007). Or something like that. And then attaching videos to each category. What do you think? MIKa-ha 15:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It is a good idea i have thought about myself, getting the info on the sevilla years (and there is a lot intrigue and great stuff to put, vital goal leading to promotion and a pen missed meaning sevilla stay down another year, him punching the coach ect, leaving over a money dispute). I am for this file. Reaper7 23:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

My last edit
"Tsiartas was predominantly left footed but was just as dangerous with his right." If you are "predominantly" left-footed, that means your left foot is significantly stronger than your right foot. Therefore, how can a predominantly left-footed player be "just as dangerous" with his right foot? Either the sentence should be something like "Tsiartas is a two-footed player, equally dangerous with his left or right foot" or it should reflect the fact that he is a left-footed player. ugen64 03:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

If you bother to read and actually understand the article you will see that he is a free kick specialist. I will say this as if to a baby for you, please read the words slowly. He is predominantly left-footed. IE It is the foot he uses most. I hope this does not blow your mind. On instinct therefore he will use his left. When will he use it? To shoot or make a final pass. IE DANGEROUS set plays to the opposition. IE therefore not passing back to the keeper. However in football as I am sure you must know, a very good player can switch feet for a freekick which he would do if the freekick or corner was sometimes on the right side, thus being equally as dangerous with this foot, (but wait for it!!) even though he was not predominantly right footed! He was not a natural two footed player, he was predominantly left footed. If he is just 'good also' good at what? back passes to the keeper? passes in midfield? The article reads perfect. If you get confused please reread.Reaper7 17:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Listen - there are loads of great players who are literally "predominantly" left-footed - for example Robin van Persie. I've watched every Arsenal match he has played in the last 2 years and he has never taken a free kick or corner with his right foot. Obviously he has a right foot and uses it to great effect (like the goal against Inter a few days ago), but nobody would say he is "just as dangerous" with his right foot, because he isn't. Now, my issue is with the wording "predominantly A... just as dangerous with B." This is like saying "The best encyclopedia in the world is Wikipedia, but Britannica is just as good." Wait, if Wikipedia is "the best" encyclopedia, then how is Britannica "just as good" - unless they are equally good! Either he is "just as dangerous with both feet" or he is "predominantly left-footed", not both. ugen64 01:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Everything you said does not answer anything I said. Reaper7 13:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Fine, I will take 2 quotes from your statement and dispute them. "However in football as I am sure you must know, a very good player can switch feet for a freekick which he would do if the freekick or corner was sometimes on the right side, thus being equally as dangerous with this foot" [...] "He was not a natural two footed player, he was predominantly left footed."


 * Okay, let's take this step-by-step. The statement "predominantly left footed" means his left foot is stronger than his right foot (statement 1). The statement "equally as dangerous" means that his right foot and his left foot are of equal strength (statement 2). Statement 1 contradicts statement 2. All I am asking is, which one is true? ugen64 08:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Obviously most good players are dangerous with both feet (not all - take Rivaldo for example). But 90% of footballers are not two-footed. They are obviously stronger with one foot - so you would be lying if you said they are "equally as dangerous" with their weaker foot. Thierry Henry scored a lot of goals with his right foot. He was also capable of scoring goals with his left foot. But I would never say he is "equally as dangerous with his left foot" - because he wasn't. He was a right-footed player and therefore his left foot was weaker - the definition of being a "right-footed player". ugen64 08:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)