Talk:Victor Vescovo

/* New World Record dives */
Biography needs expansion after new world record dives in Mariana Trench. See https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/victor-vescovo-deepest-dive-pacific/index.html and https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48230157 plus Victor's blog at fivedeeps.com for background. https://fivedeeps.com/home/expedition/pacific/live/ --Brad Patrick (talk) 15:33, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

add recent dive to Five Deeps Expedition
On 7 May 2019, Vescovo completed a dive to the bottom of Sirena Deep, about 128 miles northeast from Challenger Deep. Among the samples retrieved was a piece of mantle rock from the western slope of the Mariana Trench.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.67.80.60 (talk) 20:43, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

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Please provide your copy exactly how you want it either in a "replace x with y" or "add y at x" format, where "y" is the copy exactly as you want it with properly formatted references, and "x" is the location in the article. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 00:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The date of 7 May 2019 given in the requested prose is not confirmed with the provided reference. Regards, Spintendo  00:24, 3 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Clarified location of prose and updated citation for confirmation: add On 7 May 2019, Vescovo completed a dive to the bottom of Sirena Deep, about 128 miles northeast from Challenger Deep. Among the samples retrieved was a piece of mantle rock from the western slope of the 177.67.80.61 (talk) 02:40, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Please disclose the nature of your COI, specifically whether or not you are being paid to suggest these edits, and if so, by whom. When ready to proceed with the requested disclosure, kindly reopen this request by altering the template's answer parameter to read from yes to no. Spintendo 03:07, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Siren Deep Dive on 7 May 2019
--Naadobea1776 (talk) 14:44, 15 June 2019 (UTC) add On 7 May 2019, Vescovo completed a dive to the bottom of the Sirena Deep, about 128 miles northeast from Challenger Deep. The time on the bottom was 176 minutes and among the samples retrieved was a piece of mantle rock from the western slope of the Mariana Trench. to end of Five Deeps Expedition section --Naadobea1776 (talk) 14:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 15-JUN-2019
Spintendo 22:33, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!Naadobea1776 (talk) 22:55, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Infobox Photo Edit Request
Please replace in infobox,

from


 * image             = File: Victor Lance Vescovo.jpg

to


 * image             = File:VV Mariana Trench Profile(2).jpg

Regards, Naadobea1776 (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * done. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 11:26, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Add Chief Scientist information to Sirena Deep Dive
Hello, in the Five Deeps Expedition section please replace:

The time spent there was 176 minutes and among the samples retrieved was a piece of mantle rock from the western slope of the Mariana Trench.

with

He was accompanied by Dr. Alan Jamieson and the time spent there was 176 minutes. Among the samples they retrieved was a piece of mantle rock from the western slope of the Mariana Trench.

The same source already cited supports this inclusion of the Chief Scientist, https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/deepest-ever-submarine-dive-made-by-five-deeps-expedition. The inclusion Dr. Alan helps explain the research in the Hadal zone in the Sirena Deep.

Thank you, Naadobea1776 (talk) 17:33, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 27-JUN-2019
Spintendo 04:44, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Omega Watch Dive Record
Please add  this new record to the end of the Five Deeps Expedition section:

In May 2019, Vescovo brought three Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean Ultra Deep Professional watches on his dive to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, attached to the outside of the submersible DSV Limiting Factor and a lander vehicle. This dive set the new record for the deepest diving watch which passed the previous record by the Rolex Deepsea Special, made in 1960.

Thank you,

Naadobea1776 (talk) 21:33, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Reply 07-JUL-2019
Regards, Spintendo  23:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Per: WP:PROMO and WP:RSVETTING.

COI Notice and Suggested Action?
Hello, Victor Vescovo here - the subject of the page. I am new to all this, to be quite honest, and wasn't aware of the strict COI rules that govern pages such as mine. I was only attempting to properly suggest additions to the page as the Five Deeps Expedition, which I am leading, achieves its well-documented objectives. I also suggested to a paid editor other factual, and verifiable, pieces of biography.

Since all suggestions were completely factual and documented with footnotes, I didn't think there would be a problem. I engaged an outside editor to go through the 'Talk' and other pages to get the edits into the page, since I seemed proscribed from ding so myself. As I say, I am very new to this process and was just attempting to get new information on the page as accurately as possible.

Therefore, I am now wondering what needs to be done to remove the tag at the top of the page. I am happy to suggest the deletion of any material or edits that are deemed problematic, although as the subject of the article, I would attest that all of the material on the page is 100% accurate. So I am not sure what to do or suggest. Given the negative connotation of the tag at the top of the page, I would actually rather have the whole page deleted and started new rather than have it remain. I would be fine with that and have others re-add whatever is appropriate?

Just trying to come to some positive conclusion here as a result of slowly learning how Wikipedia works for living persons. I apologize for any errors that I made in trying to get accurate information onto the page.

Thanks, V. Vescovo Vlvescovo (talk) 21:52, 1 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlvescovo (talk • contribs) 21:43, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply 01-SEP-2019

 * It is recommended that, as a courtesy, you first try asking the editor who assigned the template — in this case — in order to find out from them if it can be removed. Since they placed the template, they are in the best position to know whether or not the issues which caused its placement have been corrected. You may contact them directly by placing a new message on their talk page.
 * In the unlikely event that you do not hear back from them after a reasonable amount of time, please open a new request by placing the template at the top of a new post placed at the bottom of this talk page. Thank you! Regards,  Spintendo  03:59, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * hello. As noted by Spintendo, I was the editor to place the UDP template in question. Looking over my edit history, I recall placing the tag after a determining COI editor involved in the article, User:Naadobea1776, was blocked for sockpuppetry. I was also concerned with the appearance of two anonymous ip editors (one of which has been blocked), noting that one of the strategies Naadobea1776 used to circumvent Wikipedia's paid editing policy was to edit as an anonymous ip. However, given your inquest Vlvescovo I have re-examined my application. While Naadobea1776 has been blocked, they seem to have effectively engaged with Spintendo as a paid editor (per the various edit requests above), and while they never fully complied with WP:PAID policy, none of their editing seems to have been particularly flawed. The two ip editors are much more suspect, and given that Naadobea is known to use anonymous ips to edit, there is credible suspicion that they continued to edit that article as an undisclosed paid editor: however, it seems these ips only ever added images to the article and did not touch the actual text of the page, and so I consider this to be relatively benign activity.


 * In light of the above and a re-examination of the article, I have determined that the UDP tag is not necessary, and as such have removed it. I should note that the only flaw I see with the article is the citation of what seems to be a non-existent Bloomberg profile (here ), but this should be a minor fix. Thank you for engaging with me in so respectful a manner, Vescovo. Best. SamHolt6 (talk) 22:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * @SamHolt6. I can suggest a non-broken link to this information (footnote 2). It is the public page of a public company (Emerge Energy Services) of which I was a Director. Thus, this is information that is on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission and was attested to as fact by myself, the company, and our auditors. The link suggested is: http://ir.emergelp.com/board-of-directors  I do not know why the original link to Business Week is no longer operable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlvescovo (talk • contribs) 20:33, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Footnote #2 correction suggestion
For some unknwown reason, Bloomberg no longer has a webpage about me that this footnote (#2) originally reference. The information on the Wikipedia page is still correct, but if a source is needed, I can suggest this: https://www.marketscreener.com/business-leaders/Victor-Vescovo-0627Q6-E/biography/  or the Insight Equity webpage here: https://www.insightequity.com/team/victor-l-vescovo/   Insight Equity is an SEC-registered investment fund, so all information on the website is reviewed annually by firm auditors and SEC for accuracy. See: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1592148/000159214815000003/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml for proof of SEC submission/surveillance. This is my first time suggesting an edit to a page concerning me, so please advise if what I have done is correct in form and conduct. Just trying to abide by the rules here. Thanks, Victor Vlvescovo (talk) 00:07, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Autobiography tag removal consideration?
Requesting that another editor (or several) review the bot-generated "autobiography" tag that appeared on this page recently. If there is any content on the page that is objectionable and which generates the tag, I suggest its removal. From my own perspective, all of the material currently on the page is completely accurate and references validated sources. The tag, I believe, presents a suggestion that the information is not correct or based, which I don't believe it is. Thanks, 71.78.38.74 (talk) 13:26, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply 20-SEP-2019

 * It is recommended that, as a courtesy, you first try asking the IP editor who assigned the template — in this case 103.77.137.13 — in order to find out from them if it can be removed. Since they placed the template, they are in the best position to know whether or not the issues which caused its placement have been corrected. You may contact them directly by placing a new message on their talk page.
 * In the event that you do not hear back from them after a reasonable amount of time, please reopen this request by altering the template's answer parameter to read from yes to no. Thank you! Regards,  Spintendo  23:45, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you Spintendo. It appears the edit was emplaced by a 'bot' and thus maybe that is why there is no talk page? Still new to this. Just curious, based on your experience, what is a "reasonable amount of time?" Days, Weeks? A month? Still learning. Vlvescovo (talk) 18:22, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It was the IP editor you contacted who placed the template. When they placed it, they failed to add the date, which is required. The Bot then added it for them. Now because it was an IP editor, I can see that the chances of them responding to your message may be slim. However, even though they are not here to defend the application of that template, one needs only to look at the edit history of the article to see that the template is technically correct. You are the subject of the article, and you have edited to add material to the article. So I'm not entirely sure what is incorrect here about the template being applied. Ideally, the content which was added by you — about your history as an intelligence officer and the companies you've invested in and their products — that information should have been vetted by a third party. That information is promotional and not well referenced by reliable, independent, WP:SECONDARY sources. I believe that removing it would satisfy the maintenance template. Regards, Spintendo  08:11, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

World Records
A recent web-base reference sheds light on Vescovo's article: https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/598099-first-person-to-reach-earths-highest-and-lowest-points

"Without leaving our planet's surface, Victor Vescovo (USA) has covered the most vertical distance of any other person. He summitted the 8,848-metre-tall (20,029-foot) Mount Everest (aka Sagarmatha or Chomolungma) – Earth's highest point – at 8.20 a.m. local time on 24 May 2010. He then reached the Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean – Earth's lowest point – in the deep-sea submersible Limiting Factor on 28 April 2019. A total time of 8 years 186 days elapsed between these accomplishments.

"Private equity investor and former naval officer Vescovo has also achieved the Explorers' Grand Slam (Last Degree), which involves climbing the Seven Summits (the highest mountain on each continent) and reaching the North and South Poles.

"Vescovo was guided on his climb of Everest by Kami Rita Sherpa (Nepal), who has climbed Everest more times than any other person: 24 times as of 21 May 2019.

"The descent to the Challenger Deep was part of Vescovo's Five Deeps Challenge, which set out to reach the lowest points in every ocean. He completed the challenge on 24 August 2019 after successfully descending 5,550 metres (18,210 feet) into the Molloy Deep, the deepest-known point in the Arctic Ocean."

'''I intend to upload the following to this article. Help to further wikify the below would be appreciated.''':Gwyncann (talk) 04:39, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

World Records

In 2019, Victor Vescovo was recognized by Guinness World Records as the person who has covered the greatest vertical distance without leaving Earth's surface. As part of achieving the Explorers Grand Slam (Last Degree), Vescovo climbed Mt. Everest (8848 m) on 24 May 2010, Earth's highest point. Almost nine year later he dove to the bottom of the Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench (-10924 m), Earth's lowest point, in the deep submersible Limiting Factor on 29 April 2019, for a total vertical distance of 19772 m.

Vescovo completed the Explorers Grand Slam (Last Degree) by climbing the highest peak on each of the seven continents, and skied the Last Degree of Latitude at both the North and South Poles. Uniquely, with the successful completion of his Five Deeps Expedition, Vescovo has also dived the deepest pit in each of the five world's oceans. Gwyncann (talk) 04:39, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Two dives, not five . . . Suggested correction
Hi there. I just wanted to point out that I went to the bottom of the Challenger Deep twice, not five times.

I think the confusion arises because my *team* made five dives to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, four dives at Challenger Deep and one dive to the bottom of the Sirena Deep. The Sirena Deep is still part of the Mariana Trench and only 200 meters shallower than the Challenger, but it is over 120 miles away. I was the sub pilot on two solo dives to the bottom of the Challenger Deep and one dive (accompanied by Scientist Alan Jamieson) at the Sirena. So, technically, I have made two dives to the bottom of the Challenger Deep and three dives to the bottom of the Mariana Trench if you count the Sirena Deep as one of its "bottoms."

I would also suggest - it would be nice - if it could be pointed out that the Horizon Deep (int he Tonga Trench) is the second-deepest place in the ocean, and the Sirena is the third-deepest. So I am very fortunate to have been able to be the first person (all on solo dives) to the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd deepest points in the ocean.

Just suggestions, as I know it is inappropriate for me to make edits to this page.

2600:100C:B259:1D00:807:6757:5539:EC4D (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Tag to this article.
I feel that the tag indicating a requirement for more or better documentation of Vescovo's biographic article should be removed. The references and the documentation provided are mostly from well recognized and internationally prominent news sources, and most recently from NOAA, a US governmental agency.

Explorers and adventurers are of interest to the public, and their activities are ongoing and sometimes unprecedented. Their activities can be more than merely newsworthy; they can be historical and worthy of coverage on Wikipedia. Such icons as Charles Lindburgh and Amelia Earhard were once considered to be mere adventurers, but provide young people with role models and even heros. See the following article of a current women adventurer/explorer with accomplishments NOT as historical as is Vescovo's, without being tagged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanessa_O%27Brien.

Vescovo's resurrection of human-occupied vehicles for exploration and scientific examination of the deep ocean floor (after almost a half-century of neglect due to the availability of remotely operated vehicles), is a historical development of the first order and should not be faded by a tag indicating doubt as to the veracity of this article's information.

[Signed] Lee J. Mathers, author of the US Naval Institute's upcoming book on the earliest days of manned deep submergence: "Opening the Great Depths: The Bathyscaph Trieste and Pioneers of Undersea Exploration." The final chapter of that book covers in some detail, Vescovo's new technology and its impact on oceanography today. AKA Gwyncann (talk) 01:37, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

2020 Dives into the Challenger Deep
Recommend the following addition to this article placed immediately after the 2019 dive summary:

In June, 2020 Vescovo returned to the Challenger Deep, specially equipped to survey its three, well-defined basins, or "pools." Carrying three CTDs on his submersible Limiting Factor as well as one CTD and one depthometer on each of his three independent robotic "landers." Vescovo piloted six passengers to the bottom of the Challenger Deep. These included former Astronaut and NOAA Administrator Kathryn Sullivan, the first woman to ultimate depth; Kelly Walsh, the son of Don Walsh (who with Jacques Piccard made the first dive into the Challenger Deep) to become the only father/son team to make this journey albeit 60 years apart; and Vanessa O'Brien, the first woman to climb Everest and also descend to the bottom of the seafloor (Vescovo was the first person). At the end of his 2020 dives, Vescovo had the unique record of eight total dives to Challenger Deep, including the record for the deepest dive in history on April 28, 2019. [Cite: https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/deepest-descent-in-the-sea-by-a-manned-vessel ]

I'll wait a few weeks for comments or objections. Gwyncann (talk) 18:21, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Header Tag Removal?
I (vlvescovo) am the subject of the article and trying to assist in the proper removal two tags at the top of the page? Happy to provide any commentary or feedback of which I'm able to have the Wiki editing community happy with the page. (It appears unhappy.) Everything on the page appears factually correct to me, but I am not well practiced on what a proper page should have, and not have.

Regarding the first tag: "A major contributor to this article. . ." the tag doesn't refer to any specific contributor, so I am not exactly sure to whom it is referring. I have been contacted independently, in the last year, by Gwyncann, but he is a decades-long noted expert and published author in submarine technology and history. In the past, he has asked me to verify certain facts and claims which he appears to have submitted to the Talk page. There have been a wide variety of news articles written over the past four years that contain the information he submitted and I believe he properly sourced them. The ultra-deep diving community is very small, and everyone seems to know each other through just two degrees of separation but to me he is a third party. (I've never met the gentleman.) If his, or any others', input is problemmatic, I would be more than happy to advocate deletion of any and all things incorrect or deemed inappropriate by the editors.

On the second tag: "This article reads like . . ." I'm not sure how to address this, particularly as its subject. Everything on the page is factual (if a little outdated in parts), so I am not sure what to recommend deleting to make it more within whatever guidelines are expected? But again, happy to support any and all deletions by whatever editors who are watching this page might suggest. This tag appears to have been up there a while with no further suggestions or action, so any thoughts on what to delete so the tag may be removed? I am even happy with the editing community deleting the whole page and starting over if that is deemed appropriate. Thanks for any thoughts. Vlvescovo (talk) 20:02, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi VLVescovo. I have removed the headers, including Pipsally's COI header (considering it was added it without discussion, their account has been blocked, and you have not edited the page in a while), as well as the cleanup header (after removing some fluff). After reading it through, the article seems reasonable at this point. -- Zerim (talk) 16:15, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * VVescovo at the Calypso Deep Prior to Diving Feb 2020.jpg

Number of Dives to Challenger Deep
In case any editor wanted to make the edit (since I cannot as the subject of the article), here is a news article by Marine Technology News concerning an award by the Marine Technology Society (MTS) and the Society for Underwater Technology (SUT), confirming 12 dives to the bottom of Challenger Deep as of October 6, 2021 as well as other events over the past two years. Only a suggestion. See: https://www.marinetechnologynews.com/news/winners-captain-walsh-award-614155 Thanks, Vlvescovo (talk) 19:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Five Deeps Expedition
The section "Five Deeps Expedition" should be split off into its own article, and a summary left here. The expedition is notable it its own right, so there doesn't need to be so much detail left here, while much more detail can be given to it by having its own article, instead of being redirected here. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 11:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You should write it, and it could be expanded on a new page, but at the same time leave it all here on this page too. No reason not to do both. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Split when the content is too much for the balance of this article. That has not happened yet. Until then a redirect is sufficient. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 07:58, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I've removed the split template from the article since the discussion is no longer active. Schazjmd  (talk)  15:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Updates as of January 2022
Greetings. Just some factual updates to the page, if I may, given that we had a very busy last few years. I've now made fifteen total dives as pilot to Challenger Deep (not twelve), as documented at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_descended_to_Challenger_Deep Also, I think it is potentially worth mentioning that I have now completed dives to the bottom of 17 of the Earth's 26 deep ocean trenches, while, to my knowledge, no other person has been to the bottom of more than two (Tim MacDonald, on my team, at Challenger Deep and the Philippine Trench). See: https://www.newsweek.com/japan-deep-sea-trenches-earthquake-epicenter-explored-1751150 The 17 trenches I've visited through 2023 are, in chronological order: Puerto Rico* (2018), Java* (2019), Mariana* (2019), Tonga* (2019), Molloy* (2019), Hellenic (2020), Philippine (2021), San Cristobal* (2021), Santa Cruz* (2021), New Hebrides* (2021), Kermadec* (2021), Atacama (2022), Yap (2022), Palau (2022), Ryukyu (2022), Izu-Bonin-Ogasawara (2022), and Japan Trenches (2022). All were first descents except for the Mariana and Hellenic Trenches and asteriked dives note solo dives.

Additionally, I dived the four deepest places in the ocean (not three) having dived to the bottom of the Mariana, Tonga, Philippine and Kermadec Trenches, which are the only four 10,000 meter trenches in the ocean (Sirena Deep is part of the Mariana Trench and not considered separate and the Kurile-Kamchatka Trench is less than 10,000 meters as per two recent scientific mapping expeditions, papers in preparation). See: https://worldnewsday.org/first-dive-to-bottom-of-ph-trench/ and  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ex-us-navy-commander-reaches-the-bottom-of-south-pacific-ocean/ar-AARS0UT Also, I am no longer a "Managing Partner" at Insight Equity, but I remain "a Co-Founder of Insight Equity." Thanks, Vlvescovo (talk)vlvescovo Vlvescovo (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)