Talk:Vox Media/Archive 1

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because . &mdash; Page Fold (talk) 03:51, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Please do not delete this article. I'm still working on it. Vox Media is the new brand name for SB Nation.

2011 founding??
How could the company have been founded in 2011 when it had been previously been funded in previous years? How could it have been founded in 2011 when, under a previous name, the same company is stated on this page to have been founded in 2003? The claim of being founded in 2011 makes no sense, yet no-one has corrected it, which is puzzling!--greenrd (talk) 23:19, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * While The Verge was launched in November 2011, leading to the company being renamed from SportsBlogs to Vox Media at the same time, SportsBlogs was actually founded in 2003. I agree the usage of these dates and omissions of data on the article were confusing, and I have now fixed these with references as to who is the founder, the founding year (I cannot find the exact date as not even the Vox Media corporate website gives that information), as well as details on The Verge's creation and any other relevant information. If this fixes the contradictory nature of the article, please feel free to update the statusbox at the top. Grez868 (talk) 17:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, because Vox Media don't actually provide their founding date on their website, I had to use Crunchbase by Techcrunch as a source. I don't know whether this is a trusted source on Wikipedia. If not, feel free to remove it. Grez868 (talk) 17:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Propaganda, bias
Vox youtube channel videos are informative, but many of those are also incredibly slanted and partisan, reeking of "Leftist" propaganda. --KpoT (talk) 22:29, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Do you have sources for such an addition? Dimadick (talk) 08:05, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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Proposed article improvements
On behalf of Vox Media, and as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I am hoping to make some improvements to this Wikipedia article and others related to the company. I will not edit the article directly because of my conflict of interest, and will be relying on volunteer editors to review and implement proposed changes appropriately.

Removing inappropriate sourcing
I would like to start my requests for this article by seeking to remove problematic sourcing:


 * , which I assume is not a reliable source. I request to have this inline citation removed from the infobox, especially since there are other citations confirming Jim Bankoff's role throughout the article.
 * Similarly, . I request to have these inline citations removed as well.
 * . I seek to have this source removed as an inline citation.
 * . If content preceding this inline citation needs to be removed as a result, that's not a problem, and I will work to provide a better and better-sourced overview of Eater.
 * Similarly, . I seek to have this inline citation removed as well.
 * , which is not independent secondary coverage. I propose replacing this inline citation with this source (Women's Wear Daily) and/or this source (The New York Times). Here is markup for the inline citations:

Infobox
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 * logo = Vox Media logo.svg
 * logo_size =
 * logo_alt =
 * logo_caption = The company's logo
 * logo_padding =
 * image =
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 * type = Private
 * traded_as =
 * ISIN =
 * ISIN2 =
 * industry = Digital media
 * genre =
 * fate =
 * predecessor =
 * successor =
 * founded =
 * founders = {{Flatlist|
 * Jerome Armstrong
 * Tyler Bleszinski
 * Markos Moulitsas
 * defunct =
 * hq_location =
 * hq_location_city = New York City and Washington, D.C.
 * hq_location_country = United States
 * num_locations =
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 * area_served =
 * key_people = {{Flatlist|
 * Jim Bankoff (Chairman,CEO)
 * Marty Moe (President)
 * Trei Brundrett (COO)
 * products =
 * brands = {{Flatlist|
 * Curbed
 * Eater
 * Polygon
 * Racked
 * Recode
 * SB Nation
 * The Verge
 * Vox
 * production =
 * production_year =
 * services =
 * revenue =
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 * operating_income =
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I would also like to propose changes to the article's infobox. Currently, the article uses the Template:Infobox dot-com company template, which redirects to Template:Infobox website. Vox Media is a company, not a website, so I suggest replacing the current infobox with the up-to-date version of Template:Infobox company. I will likely have subsequent additions to this infobox, but for now I'd like to focus on replacing the incorrect infobox.

I propose replacing the current infobox with the one displayed to the right. Again, there may be other fields to fill in, but this change would at least add the correct template, remove inappropriate fields (such as "Type of site", "Available in = English", and "Registration= Optional"), and display the company's eight brands. ("Brands" is a parameter of the company infobox, but not the website infobox.)

If helpful, here is markup for the infobox, which can be copied and pasted appropriately:

{{Infobox company | name = Vox Media | logo = Vox Media logo.svg | logo_size = | logo_alt = | logo_caption = The company's logo | logo_padding = | image = | image_size = | image_alt = | image_caption = | trading_name = | native_name = | native_name_lang = | romanized_name = | former_name = | type = Private | traded_as = | ISIN = | ISIN2 = | industry = Digital media | genre = | fate = | predecessor = | successor = | founded = | founders = {{Flatlist| * Jerome Armstrong * Tyler Bleszinski * Markos Moulitsas }}  | defunct = | hq_location = | hq_location_city = New York City and Washington, D.C. | hq_location_country = United States | num_locations = | num_locations_year = | area_served = | key_people = {{Flatlist| * Jim Bankoff (Chairman,CEO) * Marty Moe (President) * Trei Brundrett (COO) }}  | products = | brands = {{Flatlist| * Curbed * Eater * Polygon * Racked * Recode * SB Nation * The Verge * Vox }}  | production = | production_year = | services = | revenue = | revenue_year = | operating_income = | income_year = | net_income = | net_income_year = | aum = | assets = | assets_year = | equity = | equity_year = | owner = | members = | members_year = | num_employees = | num_employees_year = | parent = | divisions = | subsid = | module = | ratio = | rating = | website = {{URL|voxmedia.com}} | footnotes = | intl = }}

{{reflist-talk}} Thank you for considering both of these requests, and please let me know if you have any questions. Inkian Jason (talk) 00:29, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * {{done}} {{ping|Inkian Jason}} I have made the proposed changes above. Let me know if I missed anything. Thanks, Darylgolden{{sup|(talk)}} Ping when replying 12:58, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help, Darylgolden. I will be back to propose additional improvements soon. Inkian Jason (talk) 15:32, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Eater section
Hello again. On behalf of Vox Media, I recently submitted a proposed article draft for Eater, Vox's food and dining site, for community review; the draft was declined by, whose feedback is that for now Eater is, "Better covered under Vox Media". Based on this feedback, I'd like to suggest expanding the existing section of the Vox Media article. I've worked to draft a summary of Eater to expand and update the parent company article as the current summary offers little more than the founders, a list of cities, and when the site relaunched.

I propose the following, which I'm hoping editors will review and implement appropriately:

The food and dining site Eater serves as a local restaurant guide, offering reviews as well as news about the restaurant industry. Eater was co-founded by Lockhart Steele and Ben Leventhal in July 2005, and initially focused on New York City's dining and nightlife scenes. The blog was one of three comprising the Curbed Network, founded by Steele in 2004, along with Curbed and Racked. Eater was initially led by co-founders Leventhal and Steele, who had the titles "Head Eater" and CEO, respectively. By 2007, Eater was receiving tens of thousands of readers per day. After expanding into Los Angeles and San Francisco, the network went national in 2009, and covered approximately 20 cities and one U.S. state (Maine) by mid 2012.

Following Vox Media's purchase of the Curbed Network in November 2013,  traffic to Eater increased by 250 percent. In early 2014, Business Insider reported that Eater was generating approximately 2 million of Vox Media's 45 million unique monthly visitors, according to the analytics company comScore. The site began using Vox Media's content management system, Chorus, and producing more video content. Steele said he sold Eater partly to observe Chorus' influence on the site. The platform allows Eater to enhance map, journalistic, and visual features, and improves user engagement via forums. In 2014, Amanda Kludt was named Eater's first editor-in-chief, and Robert Sietsema was hired to be a New York-based food writer. In mid 2017, Eater launched a London site, the network's first outside North America. Eater hosted 23 sites for cities in the United States and Canada at the time.

Eater produced a web series called Savvy, which featured chefs, restaurateurs, and sommeliers discussing dishes and cooking techniques. The program's second season aired in 2015. Eater and PBS collaborated on a six-episode documentary television show about the cuisine of immigrant neighborhoods throughout the U.S., hosted by chef and restaurateur Marcus Samuelsson. The show, No Passport Required, marked Eater's first television production project. Vox Entertainment produced the show, which is slated to broadcast in 2018. Vox Media executives Jim Bankoff and Marty Moe serve as two of several executive producers. In January 2018, Eater and SB Nation aired an online three-episode celebrity cooking competition series sponsored by PepsiCo. The show featured National Football League players Greg Jennings, Rashad Jennings, and Nick Mangold as competitors, as well as chefs Anne Burrell and Josh Capon.

Food & Wine has called Eater "required reading". In 2006, the magazine included Steele and Leventhal in their "Tastemaker Awards" list, recognizing fifteen people who had significant impact on the food and wine industries by age 35, for their "ingenious" posts. Steele ranked number 34 in The Daily Meal 2011 list of "America's 50 Most Powerful People in Food", for his role as a founder of Eater. The network's content has been recognized four times by the James Beard Foundation Awards, established to honor excellence in cuisine, food writing, and culinary education in the United States. Eater received four additional nominations in 2018.

The food and dining site Eater serves as a local restaurant guide, offering reviews as well as news about the restaurant industry. Eater was co-founded by Lockhart Steele and Ben Leventhal in July 2005, and initially focused on New York City's dining and nightlife scenes. The blog was one of three comprising the Curbed Network, founded by Steele in 2004, along with Curbed and Racked. Eater was initially led by co-founders Leventhal and Steele, who had the titles "Head Eater" and CEO, respectively. By 2007, Eater was receiving tens of thousands of readers per day. After expanding into Los Angeles and San Francisco, the network went national in 2009, and covered approximately 20 cities and one U.S. state (Maine) by mid 2012.

Following Vox Media's purchase of the Curbed Network in November 2013,  traffic to Eater increased by 250 percent. In early 2014, Business Insider reported that Eater was generating approximately 2 million of Vox Media's 45 million unique monthly visitors, according to the analytics company comScore. The site began using Vox Media's content management system, Chorus, and producing more video content. Steele said he sold Eater partly to observe Chorus' influence on the site. The platform allows Eater to enhance map, journalistic, and visual features, and improves user engagement via forums. In 2014, Amanda Kludt was named Eater's first editor-in-chief, and Robert Sietsema was hired to be a New York-based food writer. In mid 2017, Eater launched a London site, the network's first outside North America. Eater hosted 23 sites for cities in the United States and Canada at the time.

====Programming and reception==== Eater produced a web series called Savvy, which featured chefs, restaurateurs, and sommeliers discussing dishes and cooking techniques. The program's second season aired in 2015. Eater and PBS collaborated on a six-episode documentary television show about the cuisine of immigrant neighborhoods throughout the U.S., hosted by chef and restaurateur Marcus Samuelsson. The show, No Passport Required, marked Eater's first television production project. Vox Entertainment produced the show, which is slated to broadcast in 2018. Vox Media executives Jim Bankoff and Marty Moe serve as two of several executive producers. In January 2018, Eater and SB Nation aired an online three-episode celebrity cooking competition series sponsored by PepsiCo. The show featured National Football League players Greg Jennings, Rashad Jennings, and Nick Mangold as competitors, as well as chefs Anne Burrell and Josh Capon.

Food & Wine has called Eater "required reading". In 2006, the magazine included Steele and Leventhal in their "Tastemaker Awards" list, recognizing fifteen people who had significant impact on the food and wine industries by age 35, for their "ingenious" posts. Steele ranked number 34 in The Daily Meal 2011 list of "America's 50 Most Powerful People in Food", for his role as a founder of Eater. The network's content has been recognized four times by the James Beard Foundation Awards, established to honor excellence in cuisine, food writing, and culinary education in the United States. Eater received four additional nominations in 2018.

For Draft:Eater.com, I proposed sections for "Description and history", "Programming", "Leadership and editorial team", and "Reception". Knowing all these headings would likely not work here, I've worked to have a single Eater subsection for "Programming and reception", and trimmed some other details to reduce repetition with the parent article and focus on the most important details about the Eater brand.

I realize implementing this 4-paragraph summary in its entirety might make the "Properties" section a bit lopsided, but I plan to share drafts to expand and update the sections for other Vox Media brands, too. Additionally, the subsections for Eater and Racked are likely to be a bit longer since they are the only Vox Media brands without standalone articles. This should also serve as a solid foundation for a standalone Eater article, if editors decide the brand is independently notable and eligible for a separate article in the future. Again, I'm seeking volunteer editors to review this proposed section and update the Vox Media article appropriately. I've worked to draft neutral content using Wikipedia-appropriate sourcing, and Vox Media has confirmed the accuracy of the draft. I can answer questions/concerns here or on my user talk page. Thank you for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 15:03, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I am "pinging" you, in case you're interested and because you helped with the edit request above. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Update
Since the draft article has been moved into the main space, I am back to propose a shorter summary of Eater for this parent article. I suggest the following, which is a sourced version of the Eater (website) introduction:


 * Eater is a food and dining network of sites, offering reviews and news about the restaurant industry.  The network was co-founded by Lockhart Steele and Ben Leventhal in 2005, and originally focused on dining and nightlife in New York City. Eater launched a national site in 2009, and covered nearly 20 cities by 2012. Vox Media acquired Eater, along with two others comprising the Curbed Network, in late 2013.  In 2017, Eater had around 25 local sites in the United States in Canada, and launched its first international site in London. The site has been recognized four times by the James Beard Foundation Awards.

Since you helped with Draft:Eater.com, I wonder if you make be willing to take a quick look at this proposed replacement for this section, which currently has little more than a list of cities as well as some unsourced content? Again, this is essentially a sourced version of the Eater (website) introduction. Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm wondering why there are no less than 13 references covering six sentences? By my count you need only 5.  spintendo   14:48, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I am fine with implementing the proposed text with fewer inline citations, if that's what you think is best. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:51, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Based on your recent edit to the article, I'm curious if you'd be willing to take a look at the proposed wording for this article's "Eater" section? I've provided markup and sourcing above. Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:31, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I've got a lot on my plate at the moment. A recent discussion at RSN led to my edit on this page, which was a simple hidden note. If I get time to revisit, I'll drop you a line. --GoneIn60 (talk) 08:49, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Here is an updated version with fewer inline citations, as requested by User:Spintendo and User:Maile66 here:

Eater is a food and dining network of sites, offering reviews and news about the restaurant industry. The network was co-founded by Lockhart Steele and Ben Leventhal in 2005, and originally focused on dining and nightlife in New York City. Eater launched a national site in 2009, and covered nearly 20 cities by 2012. Vox Media acquired Eater, along with two others comprising the Curbed Network, in late 2013. In 2017, Eater had around 25 local sites in the United States in Canada, and launched its first international site in London. The site has been recognized four times by the James Beard Foundation Awards.

Eater is a food and dining network of sites, offering reviews and news about the restaurant industry. The network was co-founded by Lockhart Steele and Ben Leventhal in 2005, and originally focused on dining and nightlife in New York City. Eater launched a national site in 2009, and covered nearly 20 cities by 2012. Vox Media acquired Eater, along with two others comprising the Curbed Network, in late 2013. In 2017, Eater had around 25 local sites in the United States in Canada, and launched its first international site in London. The site has been recognized four times by the James Beard Foundation Awards.

I believe this version complies with your request. Do you mind taking another look? Thanks, Inkian Jason (talk) 14:47, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Text substituted in the article. — Maile (talk) 17:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:37, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Objectivity and Neutrality (liberal bias)
Since conservative media sources like Fox News and National Review are labeled "conservative" on Wikipedia, it is only fair to label progressive/liberal media sources like VOX and its subsidiaries like The Verge "liberal". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.72.199 (talk • contribs)


 * The lead summarizes the article. If content about its politics does not exist in the article, it should not be in the lead. National Review and Fox News have content about their politics because Wikipedia summarizes what reliable sources say about those subjects, and in those cases editors have included a bunch of reliable sources saying as much.
 * I've reverted your edit not because I think you're necessarily wrong, but for these reasons. The first step would be to present an argument showing that reliable sources generally consider this publication to be liberal/left-leaning/whatnot, and editors will discuss how best to introduce that into the article if there's consensus to do so. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 19:34, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * PS: Copying the same reply for the same reason to Talk:The Verge. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 19:34, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


 * (Edit clash so I'm going to overlap with what Rhododendrites already said.) In both cases, such descriptions need to be supported by sources that meet the requirements in WP:RS. If those exist then adding this is OK so long as it is not overdone. It should be mentioned in the article body and, only if several sources support it as a key defining characteristic of Vox, then it can also go in the lead section. I suspect that it is far easier to come up with multiple reliable sources describing Fox as "conservative" (and having conservative politics as its raison d'être) than Vox as "liberal", but that is not to say that this is impossible to do. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:41, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

vox as left wing
Per these sources. --1.152.109.189 (talk) 23:14, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * None of this is usable for this point. The Guardian source says More seriously, Vox has faced accusations of peddling "leftwing propaganda" from RedState blogger Erick Erickson, who took issue with a Vox Explains video on US national debt... This is a third-hand opinion buried in the middle of a relatively lengthy article, and surrounded by context. It is clearly not an uncontested trait, not is it treated by the Guardian as a defining trait. The other two are not WP:RS and shouldn't be used at all. The Daily Wire article is clickbait fluff from an outlet with a very poor reputation for accuracy and fact-checking, and the Mideabisafactcheck site is an unreliable blog which doesn't establish that this is a defining trait which would belong in the first sentence. Grayfell (talk) 00:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

"Polygon" section
Hi again, I am submitting another edit request on behalf of Vox Media, this time to update the "Polygon" section of this Wikipedia article. Currently, the first paragraph is entirely unsourced and contains unnecessary detail, including a list of names of non-notable individuals. The last sentence of the second paragraph is also unsourced. I've drafted a better overview of the website, using sourced claims made throughout the existing Polygon (website) article, which I've shared below:

Rendering and sources
The video game website Polygon launched in 2012 as Vox Media's third property, and publishes news, culture, reviews, and videos. The site's founding staff included the editors-in-chief of the gaming sites Joystiq, Kotaku (Brian Crecente), and The Escapist. Staff published on The Verge as "Vox Games" beginning in February 2012, and launched as Polygon in October. The network features long-form journalism that focuses on the people making and playing the games rather than the games alone, and uses a "direct content sponsorship" model of online advertising. Christopher Grant serves as the current editor.

Markup
Collapsed below is markup for the above content, which editors are welcome to copy and paste appropriately:

The video game website Polygon launched in 2012 as Vox Media's third property, and publishes news, culture, reviews, and videos. The site's founding staff included the editors-in-chief of the gaming sites Joystiq, Kotaku (Brian Crecente), and The Escapist. Staff published on The Verge as "Vox Games" beginning in February 2012, and launched as Polygon in October. The network features long-form journalism that focuses on the people making and playing the games rather than the games alone, and uses a "direct content sponsorship" model of online advertising. Christopher Grant serves as the current editor.

I don't edit the main space directly because of my conflict of interest, so I'm seeking assistance from other Wikipedia editors to review and implement the proposed content appropriately. I'm happy to address questions, and thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:24, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Since you recently helped with some updates to the Polygon article, I wonder if you might be willing to take a look at this request for the "Polygon" section as well? I'm attempting to replace the poorly sourced summary with one using claims and references used in the Polygon article. This content is non-controversial and serves as a better overview for readers than the existing one. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:24, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Pretty stright-forward yes, this version is definetly better. All sources seem reliable so I'm overtaking the content as-is. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 16:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * And thank you for your additional improvements to the article. If you're available and interested, I've submitted a request above to update the SB Nation section with a sourced version of the SB Nation article's introduction, similar to what was done for the Eater section before. Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:04, 22 August 2018 (UTC)