Talk:Wang Ruoshui

In text Citations
This article doesn't seem to include any in-text citations. Including in-text citations on this page would be helpful to see where specific bits of information are coming from. Having the citation links makes it a lot easier for readers to jump to specific sources if they want to dive deeper into a specific topic that they read about in this entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owenpmoore (talk • contribs) 02:33, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yea I have the same issue with this article. In-text citations are definitely necessary. Whiskey0504 (talk) 21:07, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing this up! Though the version before my edit did not include any either, it is indeed my mistake not including them in my revision. I will work on it according to your advise!Tetsugakuboy (talk) 23:16, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Formatting
Seem to be some inconsistencies with dates. Wang is first said to have been expelled from the Party in 1987 and is later said to have been expelled in 1988. I appreciated the context of Wang's close relationship with Chairman Mao and the Party and how this shaped his thought and career, but I wonder if there can be more explicit examples of Wang's journalism with People's Daily--what kind of propagandist articles did he write? Any of significance? I think these could be added to the Writing section which is somewhat confusingly formatted. The chunk of words could be sorted under headings of specific works. Additionally, how are the Writings different from the Major Works?

Nicjguo (talk) 22:35, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing out that for two places the date was misrepresented, they have been fixed. I do have included several articles he wrote when he was working for People's Daily, and explained philosophical significance and later influences. However, the significance of propaganda articles(to the Chinese people) I am able to elaborate in the entry is limited, due to lack of information about public reactions or opinions likely resulted by political censorship or failure of keeping documentations.For these reasons,what I could include is mainly how important figures in CCP reacted to his writings. But considering your request for more explicit examples and their academical significance, I think what I can do is adding some abstracts of his articles and briefly explain their ideological significance.In that case, the writing section is indeed needed to be reconstructed as you pointed out. Again, these writings would be more philosophical but less "propaganda". The original scripts of most "propaganda articles" Wang wrote are even hardly available. However, I am not convinced by the statement "The chunk of words could be sorted under headings of specific works". I think the "sorted under headings of specific works" is a suggestion that fails to capture the purpose of "the chunk of words". The paragraph is meant to show the relationship between Wang's development and his transition in writing. Even in the revised section of writings, it shall still serve as the introduction. Considering its length could be too long as you concerned, I have divided it into three paragraphs. Additionally, writings and works/major works/list of (major)works are not the same. While the former is introducing something specific about one's writings/work, the later is usually just a list of works (bibliography) created by this person. I invite you to have a look of some entries, such as David Hume and Yu Yinshi. I see how you may have the confusion since the format is not standardized in Wikipedia, as some entries also have a section titled writings/writing by him/writing on him, showing a list of works. Therefore, for now I change the title to "writing", which is less misleading. Please let me if you have any advise on the titles of the sections and appreciate your assistance in advance.Tetsugakuboy (talk) 00:15, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

The more philosophical aspect of Wang
I really like the detailed account of Wang's life in this article. The table at the end detailing this works looks fancy as well! But as someone who finds a lot of personal and intellectual resonance with Wang, I guess I'm quite looking forward to learning from beyond a merely historical perspective of him, despite its elaborateness. I don't know if this is just my misconception or not, I feel like Wang is not given enough credit for his pretty groundbreaking thoughts as inarguably the leading figure in the intellectual debate in the early 1980s, which arguably set the intellectual preparedness for the later-to-come series of demonstrations across the nation among which--you know. It's understandable he's no longer brought up inside the wall, but I wonder why it seems he's not well remembered either by the oversees activist circle--is there any essential conflict between their political ideologies?--or it might just be my misconception due to my lack of knowledge in this regard. But if my doubt stands, I do think this is a theme you can further explore on! Whiskey0504 (talk) 03:45, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

I second this feedback. I think the detailed life account is extremely helpful and does reveal some impacts of his philosophical beliefs and changes. I am especially interested in what extend Wang was influenced by György Lukács, and on which point he had refuted, or became skeptical about his early philosophical thinking. Despite the political sensitivities, I do think more information about his endorsement towards 1986 Chinese student demonstrations would be helpful to demonstrate his later attitude and thoughts to the CCP. Waldgrave (talk) 13:49, 29 April 2019 (UTC)