Talk:We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank

"Professional" review?
I don't think a blog called The Music Nazi which just raves mindlessly without any written support exactly qualifies as professional.

I just deleted the Professional Review section. I read those two reviews and they were horrendous. Completely unqualified as professional. Until we get some actual professional reviews, it's best we leave that section blank. (professional reviews, i.e. Rolling Stone, AMG, Robert Christgau, Pitchfork Media, or even some lesser known reviews)

Art
Where did the album art come from? I looked for an official article that said they released the album art and found none...not to mention the fact that it says nothing about copyrights on the image page and for all other album covers it does...did someone just randomly upload a picture of album art THEY did?


 * Someone tried to add the picture to the article here, but didn't do it right, so I uploaded it and put it on the page --Surachit 22:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Is there any source? Because my guess would be that some fan probably just photoshopped this poster...


 * You're probably right, I removed it for now, it did look cool though --Surachit 04:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I dont really know how to do this but I have seen the new track titles deleted before, and now they have been put back on, does anyone know if they are real?

Deleting this addition until a citation is given. Looks like a joke. A funny joke, but a joke nevertheless.

"Brock also said the record's penultimate track will be Modest Mouse's first-ever foray into hip-hop; the track, "Bump Dat Trick (On a Glistening Sea of Tranquility)," will feature Busta Rhymes, plus Marr's mad beat-box skills. It is noted that this song is about Brock's rape case, with Brock screaming "Bitch, I'm innocent!" repeatedly."

Thanks, and please stop adding it. Ottovonguericke 01:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

On the main Modest Mouse page, the release date is given as March 7th, but here it says March 6th. Which one is right?

Leak
Leaked today (15th Feb). Should information on this be posted on the page itself? I'm not sure of the general consensus as to details on leaking information, last time I saw it on an album an edit war later proceeded. AllynJ 23:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Fine with me; it's discriminating to withhold factual leak information. Pomte 02:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

No reason not to have info. about the leak, it is genuine information affecting the album. I removed a duplicate entry of this info.

The leak should DEFINATELY be mentioned. I'm putting the info back. Whoever keeps removing it, stop. I agree with the above post, it is important info that affects the album. Remember to signs your posts, guys. Arnesh 05:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

"Dashboard world premiered on KNDD", etc.
This info has been unsourced for months. No one is citing a source, so I'm removing it. Arnesh 05:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been talking with a Mouse community for a short while and it was there that the information originated. I believe a few of the members listened to it on the radio at the time.  However, I couldn't find any information available on the radio's website so I too think it's best to leave the information out. —— Old american century 17:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Credits... Too Long?
Does anybody else think we should shorten the credits? I mean, the producer is listed previously in the article, band members can be found at the Modest Mouse page, and most the rest are things like who played the shaker on a track or who helped clap to another. Perhaps leave a little credit information and link to the rest offsite? ——Old american century 17:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
Perhaps it should be mentioned somewhere that the song 'spitting venom' contains lyrics from a previous modest mouse song called White Lies, Yellow Teeth; which was a bonus track on Good News for People Who Love Bad News.
 * Eh. Isaac has a tendency of reusing a lot of his favorite lines.  Like in "3 Inch Horses, Two-Faced Monsters" and "I Came As A Rat" (and even Beesting, sort of) with "I don't know but I've been told you never die and you'll never grow old"; and Tundra/Desert and then Trucker's Atlas with the "I don't feel and it feels great/fine" thing.  If I were you, I'd probably only include it if Spitting Venom got its own page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.127.127.85 (talk) 20:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

It wasn't a bonus track on Good News. It's been around much longer.

Possible source for album title?
In keeping with Isaac's fondness for Virginia Woolf, We Were Dead.. might be taken from Woolf's Mrs. Dalloway: "a doomed race, chained to a sinking ship." (p.66 of the Oxford World's Classics edition.)

Of course, it could be complete coincidence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pnavid (talk • contribs) 21:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC).


 * Not worth mentioning unless you can back this up with a source -- otherwise, it's original material. Personally, I think it's a coincidence. 68.204.237.94 07:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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WHO KEEPS LABELLING MODEST MOUSE AS INDIE ROCK!?!?!
THEY ARE SIGNED TO EPIC, AND CANNOT BE INDIE!!! - ZEROpumpkins (talk) 23:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Who gives a rat's ass about the label, their musical style remains indie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.216.89 (talk) 22:09, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Because this album was released under Epic, it cannot be labeled as an Indie Rock album...Epic is not an Independent label, it's owned by Sony BMG. Narcolepticpathos (talk) 01:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Generally, the term 'indie' when used in the UK, tends to refer to a specific genre of music, rather than the status of their record label; in line with this popular trend, record producers will often coerce their artists into imitating the style of so-called 'indie'. Neptune777 (talk) 01:14, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

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First week sales
Do you think it would be relevant/important to say how much the album sold in its first week? I will put it up, but if you disagree witht he importance of it, then delete it. I also have a source for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happymeal33 (talk • contribs)

First sentence under release details
If anyone could find a citation for that first sentence under release details., then that would be great and the citation for The king rat thing needs to be better. If anyone can find any citations for those. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happymeal33 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

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