Talk:Weston College

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If the college is no longer called Weston College then the title needs to be changed. I can see no evidence from there own website though? Theroadislong (talk) 15:30, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's Manual of Style/Lead section notes that the alternate names of the organisation should be listed in the first line of the article: "alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence". Weston College's full name is 'Weston College of Further and Higher Education' (as on the higher education funding council for England register). This full name, however, is not its common name, which - according to Wikipedia's Article Title guidelines - should be used as the title: "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources."Zpgnbg (talk) 11:21, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


 * In response to Geof Sheppard and Theroadislong's edits; please note that my revision is correct and in keeping with the manual of style. Before editing the lead section further, note the following from the lead section guidelines:
 * "When the page title is used as the subject of the first sentence, it may appear in a slightly different form, and it may include variations, including synonyms."
 * "Redundancy must be kept to a minimum in the first sentence. Use the first sentence of the article to provide relevant information that is not already given by the title of the article. Remember that the title of the article need not appear verbatim in the lead"
 * "While a commonly recognisable form of name will be used as the title of biographical articles, fuller forms of name may be used in the introduction to the lead. For instance, in the article Paul McCartney, the text of the lead begins: "Sir James Paul McCartney ...". Zpgnbg (talk) 08:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * But the MoS also says
 * When [the article] title is a name, significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph. These may include ... longer or shorter forms...
 * As both the article page (and the college's own website) call it just 'Weston College' then we need to use that in the lead; 'Weston College of Further and Higher Education' is a significant alternative and can be included as such. Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:39, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Geof Sheppard - the college's history section calls it by its full name and, as User:zpgnbg and the lead section guidelines say, redundancy should be kept to a minimum and the shortened college title -as the article title- does not need to be repeated in the first line according to the manual of style. The section you linked to does not say that both names need to be included, just the notable alternate name - and, as per the lead section guidelines, "the title of the article need not appear verbatim in the lead". Jerder123 (talk) 10:52, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Coming late to this discussion I would suggest leaving the article title as "Weston College" per WP:COMMONNAME and then making the first sentence:
 * Weston College (formally known as Weston College of Further and Higher Education)... OR
 * Weston College of Further and Higher Education (commonly known as Weston College)...
 * Would either of these be acceptable to everyone?&mdash; Rod talk 16:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with leaving the title as Weston College, but the first lead line suggestion isn't correct though as the long name is still its full title as per the history section on the college site and the higher education registry. The "(commonly known as Weston College)" in the second suggestion adds redundancy as the common name is already the article title as per the guidelines. As the lead sentence guidelines say: "the title of the article need not appear verbatim in the lead", and its inclusion here is redundant. I think that the article lead is in its clearest, most readable and most accurate form as it is now. Adding the short name in the lead line does not add clarity as it is already clear that the subject's common name is Weston College by the article title.Jerder123 (talk) 10:52, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Student numbers
The box on the top right says that there are 30,000 students. I am not sure that this is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.215.180 (talk) 13:34, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree that it sounds rather high, but it's what the College website claims: About Weston College. Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:55, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect that the number of full time students is considerably lower and that the majority of these are part time students on apprenticeships etc, across several campuses. However the web site does say "nearly 30,000" so is verifiable.&mdash; Rod talk 14:24, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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