Talk:Wii/Archive 7

rumour about name not being final being readded
User:71.255.60.90 keeps re-adding this highly speculatory, and rather superflous piece of rumour talking, which incidentely borders on original research too:
 * The official Nintendo website makes no reference to the name "Wii," except in the message boards. It only has a link to the website explaining the new name  under the title "Revolution has a new name!" This, along with other factors, has led some to believe that the name change is a way for Nintendo to generate attention for the console shortly before E³. At E³, they believe that Nintendo will either reveal this was all a clever hoax and use "Revolution" after all, or reveal an entirely new name. Opponents to this theory say that Nintendo has officially stated that the name will be Wii, and they have trademarked the name. However, it is not uncommon for a company to trademark prototype names for a product before deciding on a final name.

Im through to my 3 reverts for this day on this article (did a couple more, but those were vandal reverts). I would like to ask this user to please stop. For one, you're about to break the revert rules. I will cross post this to his or her talk page. --Codemonkey 21:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Just keep reverting it since its original research. Also in an interview with Game Informer Nintendo has said any theory on them changing the name again is a lie..

Does this really qualify as "original research"? The paragraph isn't stating that any of the rumor is true, just that it exists, and while the user didn't provide sources, the fact that this rumor is spinning around the internet has been reported independently: IGN, CNET, financial times, and others have the story. I do think the whole paragraph might be excessive... maybe as a compromise it could edited down a bit? Lee Bailey 06:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Lee Bailey. It is a strong rumour that is sourced in respectable and "geekie" sites. Maybe a single line could explain this to keep this problem at bay. After all, we are a week away from E3. -- ReyBrujo 07:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think rumors should be put up. According to Nintendo Revolution's own website, the name is Wii. If this is indeed a hoax (which is unconfirmed at the moment), then Nintendo will announce this at E3. Until then, the name is what it is. --myselfalso 12:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * My two cents- whatever "rumor" might be floating around, Wikipedia should rely on what are OFFICIAL sources first and foremost. Perrin Kaplan herself has literally, blatantly stated on the record "that anyone who doesn't like the name will have to "Live with it, sleep with it, eat with it, move along with it.[]" The name is Wii, and the name is NOT going to change, no matter how much anyone might want it to. Daniel Davis 12:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I guess I could live with a very short, propperly sourced description of the rumour. How about this:
 * Among some of those that dislike the name, there is a hope that Nintendo intends to still change it, possibly at their e3 2006 press conference. Statements made by Nintendo seem to indicate that no such intention exists.  Initially, the lack of registered trademarks on Wii caused some confusion, but Nintendo has stated that these do exist.

Maybe going a bit overboard on having 3 sources though... --Codemonkey 13:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Definate improvement there, Codemonkey. I don't think your sourcing is excessive at all. May need a little more tweaking, because as it stands now we have Nintendo's statement that "Wii" sounds like the english word "we" at the top of the section, and then the "can be considered a homonym for we" bit a few sentences later. It shouldn't be hard to re-arrange a little to avoid the redundancy. Lee Bailey 22:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Now we don't need this, because NOA_Rufus and others have used the name Wii --Flamedude

I agree with keeping the name of the, for the sake of avoiding a dispute, new Nintendo Console at Wii in the article. But I think that revolution should be included as said in a discussion below and Wii presented in brackets. Ex. The controller for the revolution [Wii] will be... Note that "revolution" is lower case as revolution is only being referred to as an improper noun (such as using revolution in the place of the word "console") and Wii as the name. But Wii is encased in brackets to signify that it might be an unofficial name. I think this the best answer to this dispute. Doing so might save some embarrasment to the author(s) of this article when E3 comes around and Nintendo makes its announcements about its new console. But I only say this because I am unsure of what the name of this new Nintendo console will be. -Caznosaur


 * I don't understand where this confusion is coming from. Wii is the new name.  It's on the official Nintendo website.  Multiple reps from Nintendo have stated in multiple interviews that Wii is official. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, the brackets in the quote do not signify a possibility that the name is unofficial. They signify that Wii was not actually said, but what was referred to. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yea, the Nintendo Revolution's name has officially been changed to Wii. Here is the website to prove it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Azumangadaioh (talk • contribs).

Nintendo On
After the current name controversy and conspiracy is over (probably after E3) we need to add a small section about the more popular conspiracies like Nintendo On. We don't want to make it a big thing, just a blurb. Here is a link for a reference. 1UP.com: "I Want to Believe" Jedi6  -(need help?)  00:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Wikipedia is about facts, not rumors or controversies.  Besides, Nintendo On looks like a toaster. Dionyseus 08:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your disagring, there are parts of wikipedia dedicated to conspiracies, for instance Conspiracy theory, but it is important to make the fact that it is a conspiracy, or what have you, clear.
 * I can't see why a link to the nintendo on video and the 1up article shouldn't be included in say miscellaneous - even though it is 'conspiracy theory' it's not a bad article by usual standards - however it's debateable how relevant the 'on' video is.HappyVR 10:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well not just the video, how relevant is the article? We know that it's just a hoax.  None of the other console articles in Wikipedia mention any hoaxes.  Dionyseus 10:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with all of you, so HA! BLARG!! Not all rumors and hoaxes are encyclopedic, but I think this one is interesting and relevant. An indicator of the level of early anticipation there was for this machine before it even had a name, it's part of the social history of Wii. I do agree that the "On" looks like a toaster, though. Lee Bailey 11:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just one thing about the "On" controversy: one must remember that Nintendo played along with it. They even painted their E3 booth decorations so that when viewed from a certain angle (at which, an official Nintendo webcam was placed), the letters "ON" would be formed in red lettering against the blue banisters. Of course, they only kept that webcam at that location for about an hour before moving it, but it was enough time for Nintendo.com surfers to explode on the whole "On" thing being real. At which point, all the fans were in for one of the biggest letdowns of Nintendo history when after E3 was all over, Nintendo said, "Yeah, it was all a big flam." The Wii controversy is nothing like the "On" controversy at all. While "On" was subtle, the official Revolution section of Nintendo.com has "Wii" written all over it right now! I'm sorry, but you'd have to be an idiot to think that they were joking about this. Nintendo DS Lite = Good. Nintendo Wii = Bad. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.112.233.237 (talk • contribs).

Wait until e3
Nintendo still hasn't announced whether or not this is legitimate, but that's beyond the point. Currently, we have to take this as an actual decision (though it is odd to announce before e3). Even if this does turn out to be a PR grab, it seems pointless to write it off, until e3 happens. Wait a week before a decision. It won't kill anyone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ReignInTiki (talk • contribs).


 * It isn't odd at all that they announced the name before E3, although it is odd that they waited so long to announce it. Nintendo has clearly explained that they announced it before E3 because they don't want to waste time on explaining the name change on E3, they want to focus on their products at E3.  However, I do agree that we should wait until E3 is over before we write it off.  Dionyseus 19:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * As someone who works within the video game industry, I'll just add my own $0.02 and say that pretty much everything about E3 is determined and set well beforehand. Considering that the announcement of Wii's name was made on Nintendo's official website, I see little to indicate that it's not legit. - Rikoshi 00:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * "Nintendo still hasn't announced whether or not this is legitimate" is so wrong- MULTIPLE Nintendo spokespeople have gone on the record as saying that this IS the new name for the system. In other words- NINTENDO HAS ALREADY SAID THIS IS OFFICIAL. Daniel Davis 01:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Calm down every one.... Just wait exactly 7 days, 4 hours, 26 Minutes and 30 seconds. DivineShadow218 12:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, this is all very official. The official Revolution section of Nintendo.com has "Wii" written all over it! All respect due, you'd have to be an idiot to think that this wasn't "official". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.112.233.237 (talk • contribs).

Some of you people fight about the stupidest things.
I saw the page was protected from moves, and I see people think that Wii is not actually the real name. Well rather than trying to figure out who is saying what because of the unsigned talk page comments, I will just tell you all that Wii is the official name of the system. It was a huuuuge deal and breaking news when it happened, how did some of you people possibly not hear about it? Please discontinue this argument, nintendo already changed the revolution's site to say Wii. If you want proof (like a link to the mini-site on Nintendo's website), then drop me a message on my talk page. Wikipeedio 02:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, if Perrin Kaplan isn't a good enough source, I don't know who is. Daniel Davis 02:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the "PR grab" rumor that's going around is that Nintendo announced the name as a hoax to generate publicity, and that they're planning to announce the real name at E3. For the record, I don't believe that this is true, but since the rumor is that Nintendo is bluffing, Perrin Kaplan's statements don't really debunk anything. I do think we've all seen the website by now and know that originates with Nintendo. Also, I think the page was actually protected from moves BEFORE Nintendo made the Wii annoucement, but I could be wrong about that.Lee Bailey 03:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No the page was protected because people kept moving it between Wii and Nintendo Wii rapidly. Jedi6  -(need help?)  03:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just pointing out, Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. Thus, maybe Wii is fake, but we don't care. We just care that the information can be referenced, and it is. -- ReyBrujo 03:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just pointing out that Wikipeedio is right in a small part... Nintendo did add a little flash movie that revealed the name... but that is ALL they did... nothing more. Some people might consider them doing nothing more proof that the name might be a hoax. DivineShadow218 12:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I dont understand this debate. Wikipedia is a place for facts and Nintedo themselves have stated the new name is "Wii," oddly enough even if this is a hoax, it is still a fact that the name is now "Wii" If it changes at E3 then the facts will once again change. But fact is and will be unless a new decision is made, the name is "Wii" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zer0faults (talk • contribs).


 * To help you understand... somepeople dont beleave it is a hoax... some people do... this is a fact. Some people here that do not beleave it is a hoax keep deleting from the article that it could be a hoax, the people how belive it to be a hoax want it in the article. That about sums it up. DivineShadow218 01:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry when I said "I don't understand this debate," I didnt mean it literally. I just don't understand how you can write in an article that the name could be a hoax. That is something that cannot be proven until the product is released. Leaving the article itself in a state of limbo until the product actually releases. I understand many people do not like the name, but stating its a hoax seems almost unfounded. References to other names Nintendo has registered easily equates to the other machine they are working on. Once again sorry for the confusion in my opening statement. This almost seems like instead of passing along facts, someone simply wants credit for calling it a hoax first. I think this article should stick to the known facts of the product, not speculation over what some see as a bad name. --Zer0faults 12:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Divineshadow, Zerofaults: No one is really trying to say within the article that the name IS a hoax. The lines that keep getting reverted mention that some people within the gaming community THINK the name is a hoax. That doesn't mean that anyone who may want this information in the article actually thinks the hoax theory is true. Lee Bailey 15:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That is what I said Lee Bailey, Some people that think it is a hoax want that mentioned in the article that is it. but people who don't think it is a hoax keep an deleting or reverting, which I think is rude. As far as your statements Zerofaults, in a little under 6 days is the Nintendo press conference ad E3 where they will tell us if it is a hoax or not... E3 is a big deal in the gaming community.DivineShadow218 16:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Adding the rumour section
Although I believe Wii is the final name, I must agree on that the rumour section should be kept. It is verifiable in notable sites (1Up, IGN, GameInformer, etc). And remember one of the basic Wikipedia official policies: As counter-intuitive as it may seem, the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.. In other words: Even if in some days more Nintendo denies renames and indeed keeps the Wii name, I believe the rumour section should contain a subsection about the name. Otherwise, we would not be acting according to Wikipedia spirit.
 * Nintendo states the name is final. Can we verify that? Yes, it is in Nintendo' site. Is it a reliable source? Yes, it is a primary source of the subject we are talking about. Is it original research? No, it is written by Nintendo itself, not by a Wikipedia editor. Can we cite sources? Yes, Nintendo site included. This part fits the article.
 * People think the name is not final. Can we verify this? Yes, Codemonkey provided links for three sites. Are they reliable sources? Yes, they are. IGN, 1UP.com and GameInformer are articles in Wikipedia because they fit web notability. Is it original research? No, it is not written by a Wikipedia editor. Can we cite sources? Yes, Codemonkey provided the links. Thus, this part fits the article.

Who believes we should add the rumour about the name and who believes we shouldn't? I will be reinstalling the information in the article if no good rejection comes. -- ReyBrujo 04:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I've already said as much, but since we're standing up and being counted, I think discussing this particularly well-documented rumor, regardless of it's truth value, is relevant. It fits into the larger context of how people reacted when the name was announced and consumer reaction is relevant to an article that's about a product. Lee Bailey 04:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

The biggest problem I had with the initial blurb on this was that it was actively trying to make a case why the rumour could be true or not, without citing any sources, thus bordering on original research. The angle of just saying 'some of these people think this' instead of 'these ideas may be right, or not, because of this or that piece of evidence' is much better, I feel, which is why I rewrote it that way. I'm still not sure if this particular rumour is all that notable, but (to my surprise) it has cropped up in a lot of notable gaming news outlets across the internet in the past day or two. So a weak stay, from my side. --Codemonkey 14:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we should just table this discussion. People seem to have stopped re-adding comments on the name possibly not being final, or being a hoax. And the entire discussion will become moot in about four days time anyway. --Codemonkey 17:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The name has gone corporate! There is no arguing about it anymore! Anthony 15:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

General cleanup edit
Alright, I've attempted some of the redundancy down in the intro and name section, which took a little rewording. I didn't touch anything that's currently being debated, to my knowledge: the rumor section was out before I edited and the "wee wee" remark in, so that's reflected. I did de-link the term "urine", since it's not all that related. Mostly, I just moved name stuff to the name section. Hopefully, this won't be too controversial. Lee Bailey 04:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Fact
Point being,this is an enclyopedia. This is now fact confirmed by Nintendo. Whether it's a hoax or not,if it can be referenced it belongs on this website. -Will —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.5.74.2 (talk • contribs).

Quotes
What to do about quotes using the old name? eg"...because Wii can run GameCube software, when you play Twilight Princess on Wii you can take advantage of the Wii controller."

should read correctly "...because revolution can run GameCube software, when you play Twilight Princess on revolution you can take advantage of the revolution controller." because obviously this is what was said - any suggestions?HappyVR 17:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Change it to "...because [Wii] can run GameCube software, when you play Twilight Princess on [Wii] you can take advantage of the [Wii] controller."? Steel359 17:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

-- ReyBrujo 17:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC) Ehem... nothing... that is a quote from someone, it does not need to be modified. Sorry for the alarm :) -- ReyBrujo 18:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, you can't modify the quote. What he said he said. You may be able to clarify that he is talking about Wii, but you can't change his words. In example, ...because revolution [Wii] can run GameCube software, when you play Twilight Princess on revolution [Wii].... -- ReyBrujo 18:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That's what the square brackets are for. To clarify that he was talking about the Wii despite not using that actual word. -- Steel359 18:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Done it.HappyVR 18:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I just changed it to the way I suggested. Please tell me if anyone has any objections. -- Steel359 18:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I objected - and changed it back to the form 'Revolution[Wii]' since this shows what the origianl quote was and includes the replacement name in brackets.HappyVR 19:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Personally I still think the other way is better. Having both names in there, with square brackets and no space between the words (i.e. Revolution[Wii]) is going to confuse people and is completely unnecessary. Anyone else want to comment on this? -- Steel359 21:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Initially, I thought it looked a bit ugly too, and it goes against what I know about how square brackets in quotes are generally used. But Bracket seems to agree with his usage, as not only a valid, but common stylistical choice. WP:CITE doesn't seem to say anything about it. Does anyone want to pull out his style guides on this? ;) --Codemonkey 21:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I say leave the quotes as is. Old articles about the GameCube called it the dolphin and no one is rushing to change it to [GameCube] in the quotes. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 01:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Some guy changed it to "[Wii]" earlier, but HappyVR changed it back again. "Revolution[Wii]" looks ridiculous, and if anything should be changed to "Revolution (Wii)". Out of that, leaving it as it is, and using "[Wii]", I have no real preference. To be honest I don't think those quotes really add much to the article anyway. -- Steel359 17:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I just changed it to the way user:Reybrujo suggested - I don't think the quote should be changed but possibly needs clarification - however I doubt anyone doesn't know revolution refers to wii - I originally asked because someone had altered all instances of revolution to wii making the quotes definately wrong - and yes I don't think the quotes are that useful but should probably stay until the speculation is ended.HappyVR 18:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Urg. In these situations, when quoting, it should be [Wii], not Revolution[Wii], the brackets mean that a word has been replaced with another one that makes more sense in the context. For example, if someone says: "I'm great at this" while eating a lot of cheese, you might want to write it down as "I'm great at [eating cheese]", you wouldn't write "I'm great at this[eating cheese]"... But whatever, it doesn't matter (195.92.168.175 22:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC))

I've changed it to "[Wii]" from "Revolution[Wii]" twice so far. The first time because Revolution[Wii] looks, sounds, and just is overall hideous. The second time because I thought it was somebody who accidentally changed it back in a revert. After having this sort of stuff beat into my head in a couple of AP English classes, things like "Revolution[Wii]" really grind on my nerves. The only correct ways to have the quote are "Revolution" and "[Wii]". I don't care which one you end up using, so long as it is one of those two. I only initially changed it to "[Wii]" instead of "Revolution" for conformity's sake. -- Masterzora 23:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That's how most professional editors do it anyway; see the article on brackets for further info. You replace the old word with the new word, the brackets are just to clarify that it's an editor's note and not originally what the person said.   Stratadrake 02:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The other way is using sic, like ...because revolution (sic) can run GameCube software, when you play Twilight Princess on revolution (sic).... However, between having a modified quoted and the real one, I prefer keeping the real. -- ReyBrujo 02:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

New picture of Wii for the VG system banner
Currently, on the right we have a videogame system banner, which includes a of the Wii. This is a promo picture from a batch that was released during e3 2005. During TGS 2005, after the controller was released, Nintendo released a new batch of Wii promo shots, with a decidedly different styling. I feel we should be using one of these as the identifying shot of the Wii in this article. I was thinking of this one, although obviously resized to something less big.

My reasoning is this. It seems to jive more with various Wii PR materials, like the revealed Wii logo; it seems more indicative of what Nintendo is trying to do with the styling, and marketing message, of Wii; and the TGS shots include the controller. Also, the e3 shots still include the 'revolution' temp logo marking, although obviously you can't really see it in the tumbnail.

I have two questions. One: does anyone agree with me on this? Two: if it should be changed, would overwriting the old file with a new version, a new revision, be the right thing to do, or would creating an entire new image in the WP database be preferable? --Codemonkey 18:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes - change the image to the new one without the revolution text on the console - agree.HappyVR 18:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm just going to be bold, and change it for now. If there are serious objections, and a concensus is reached that is negative, we can always change it back later. --Codemonkey 21:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC) Also changed the picture for the 3 other articles using the old picture. --Codemonkey 21:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Would it be possible to add the old banner picture to the gallery section (considering how pretty it is, and that it includes the media format in the image)? PhoenixJ 22:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, that's possible. The only thing is that adding an extra item to the gallery makes it wrap. See my sandbox. And a lot of WP editors dislike big image galleries in articles anyway already. Also, I'm not quite happy with my image description. The front and side pic can probably go though. What do you think? Any suggestion? --Codemonkey 22:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I managed to get something I can live with on my sandbox. :) I'll add into the article. --Codemonkey 22:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Gracias :-D PhoenixJ 23:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

E3
e3 2006 is in a few weeks. I was just wondering, will someone protect this article to protect it from every rumor that will be floating around during that time? dposse 18:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Protection is for severe cases of vandalism or revert wars. To protect the page during E3 would seriously hinder the article.  To protect the page against rumors just remove random additions that go uncited. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * So, is protection still needed right now? It sounds like tehre are enough people monitoring it to avoid bits of unsourced rumor creeping in. nevermind that. the page is only protected against moves right now. Stupid me. Circeus 02:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Protection can not be used as a preventitive measure. Jedi6  -(need help?)  03:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yea..and even Reggie comfirmed it's the name:/...anyway we can still wait for the cheap E3 day. Who knows...Wii might be the name of downloading the old classical games, or we might be the name of the wifi connection...since Wii relates to WiFi
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 06:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Rename
rename the article "Nintendo Wii". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Krabs514 (talk • contribs).
 * Care to state your reasons why? From the arguements I've read I think I agree that the article should just be named Wii.  On Nintendo's official introduction page for the console they say that it's just Wii, they don't mention Nintendo in front of it.  It's similar to PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.  Nintendo did not attatch their name to the front of it unlike on their other consoles. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 13:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And, to quote the same interview yet again: "There is no Nintendo Wii. It’s just Wii." --Codemonkey 14:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, it's hip. (Momus 16:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Hey, here's an article if someone needs it. Just trying to help everyone out. Its from one of the most renouned companies in the electronic news business, CNET. :) Cheers, Wikipeedio 17:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yea...it should be called Nintendo Wii...what da hell is it called Wii? The first name was called Nintendo Revolution. So why can't this be called Nintendo Wii?

That is the problem about you damn wiki editors...you always get the damn name mixed up with the logo. For example naming NVIDIA: nVIDIA. Because that is how it is spelled in the logo. Logo doens't mean anything, it's just a logo, a LOGO. Do you know what a logo is? A logo is a symbol.
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 19:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a logo that contains the name. If you can find a reliable source that calls it Nintendo Wii, can you please give it to us? Optichan 19:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you need to read this article from Wikinews. It has the entire release announcement quoted.  Not once does Nintendo refer to it as the "Nintendo Wii."  Like Nintendo says, it's "just 'Wii'".  If Nintendo's offical statement isn't a good enough source for the name then I don't know what is. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * First of all, Xino, please try to remain civil. Calling us "you damn wiki editors" isn't conductive to what we are trying to do here. Second, PR spokespeople ("There is no Nintendo Wii. It’s just Wii." ), the press release, and, indeed, the logo, all refer to the console as "Wii", in isolation, and without the word 'Nintendo' prepended to it. It is the official name for this console. --Codemonkey 20:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nintendo's contact page lists it as "Nintendo Wii" --Wulf 21:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Does it? I can't find it. Mind providing a link? Anyway, I don't think it trumps the logo and the press release calling it "Wii", and Nintendo outright saying it is called "Wii", and that "there is no such thing as Nintendo Wii". --Codemonkey 21:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem, http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/webform.jsp >> Choose your topic >> Nintendo Wii --Wulf 18:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And here is the reply I got:


 * Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo,


 * Great question! Although I would like to give you a specific answer, I am afraid that we will have to wait until E3 for the official way to use the name.


 * Sincerely,

Sharon Matheny
 * Nintendo of America Inc.


 * Wulf 18:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Good work. However, Wikipedia does not accept original research. I think, however, that the product's name is Wii. No Nintendo Wii, just Wii. -- ReyBrujo 18:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * This is what I found... go to the same link>>Choose your topic - Nintendo Wii >>Select addition details - Other - and this is what is says.
 * Looking for the latest news on Nintendo's next console?

At this time, the most comprehensive and up-to-date source for information on the Nintendo Wii is Nintendo.com.

Click here to perform an automatic search for the latest information on the Nintendo Wii.

If you would like the latest game and product newsletters emailed to you directly, sign up for a My Nintendo account today......it's FREE!

If you still need to contact Nintendo directly with your question, please click here.

Please note that details about downloadable content, hardware specifications, system release dates/pricing and upcoming software have not been released at this time, and we have no additional content, other than what is available on Nintendo.com, to offer via email.DivineShadow218 18:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok...but still...if people wanna know who made it...then it's called NINTENDO WII! You are just saying cuz you don't want it to sound like Nintendo's Wii...:P And the word "damn"...sorry suker...I don't live in US. So that word doesnt matter to me:P
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 23:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. My motivation is accuracy, not the avoidance of any perceived sillyness in the name (seeing how it is called Wii, I would fail anyway). And despite you not being a resident of the US (I'm not either), your userpage states you are a native English speaker, so you should know what constitutes civil speech, and what doesn't. Saying it 'doesn't matter to you' doesn't excuse you from behaving in a civil manner on Wikipedia. Not that you are that bad, it is just that your posts have been in a somewhat attacking tone. --Codemonkey 23:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I still agree with Xino. DivineShadow218 03:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

It should not be renamed. Just look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360 - no "Sony" or "Microsoft" in front of the console name. And as pointed out, Nintendo calls it "Wii", not "Nintendo Wii". Ritarri 08:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The official name is 'Wii', not 'Nintendo Wii'. This is completely normal, for example the soft drink Sprite is just called Sprite, not Coca Cola Sprite, despite the fact that Coca Cola produces it.  And of course there's the Playstation, not Sony Playstation, and Xbox not Microsoft Xbox.  Dionyseus 09:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... looks like this topic is going to keep coming up. Well, the least people could do is read the previous discussions over this before posting. From what I gather from the previous posts, we are waiting until E3 to determine for sure whether it is Nintendo Wii or just Wii. The burden of proof falls on proving it is *Nintendo* Wii as opposed to Wii. Zebov (talk 13:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * just make sure that the Move protect is removed prior to E3... it doesnt have to be now... just by monday night...DivineShadow218 19:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * For more confirmation, check out the latest press release from Nintendo.
 * The worldwide innovator in the creation of interactive entertainment, Nintendo Co., Ltd., of Kyoto, Japan, manufactures and markets hardware and software for its Wii™, Nintendo DS™, Game Boy® Advance and Nintendo GameCube™ systems. Since 1983, Nintendo has sold more than 2 billion video games and more than 360 million hardware units globally, and has created industry icons like Mario™, Donkey Kong®, Metroid®, Zelda™ and Pokémon®. A wholly owned subsidiary, Nintendo of America Inc., based in Redmond, Wash., serves as headquarters for Nintendo's operations in the Western Hemisphere. For more information about Nintendo, visit the company's Web site at www.nintendo.com. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.96.218.203 (talk • contribs).
 * in that press release... Reggie called the Nintendo DS Lite just the DS lite....so since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ds_lite still has NINTENDO in the title, as well as some people call the Nintendo Wii just wii I think it should be renamed to Nintendo Wii. DivineShadow218 18:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the official name of the DS Lite is the Nintendo DS Lite. DS Lite was just an abbreviation.  Nintendo specifically stated that there is no need to abbreviate Wii since it was so short, it's "just Wii."  As far as I know someone mentioned one instance of the Wii being refered to as the Nintendo Wii on one Nintendo website.  In every single other instance of its usage it's just been called Wii.  So far there's just so much more evidence to keep it Wii than to change it to Nintendo Wii.  Just because some people still call it Nintendo Wii is not enough of a reason to move it. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

It's clear that Nintendo intends that we should just use the name Wii and not call it the Nintendo Wii - the Nintendo press release in bold above clearly shows this.HappyVR 18:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * its not clear b/c of the nintendo website states it as the Nintendo wii... look at my link above. DivineShadow218 18:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So are you then choosing to ignore the official press release? What makes the official press release wrong and what a web master typed up right? --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No... Are you choosing to ignore Nintendo.com??? the Nitendo.com contect page with Ninteno Wii selected stats, Looking for the latest news on Nintendo's next console?

At this time, the most comprehensive and up-to-date source for information on the Nintendo Wii is Nintendo.com.

Click here to perform an automatic search for the latest information on the Nintendo Wii. DivineShadow218 18:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That doesn't make sense though, you seem to be ignoring the official press release that is on Nintendo.com. You haven't explained what is it about that one page on Nintendo.com that trumps the official press release and all of the PR interviews that explain it as "No Nintendo Wii, just Wii." My explaination is that the official press release takes precedence over what one webmaster typed up.  What is your explaination? --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * its all over the web includeing the nintendo site.DivineShadow218 18:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Look, it's clear from all the sources that its name is "Wii". I don't understand why this is still being debated. -- Steel359 18:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * B/c its clear to others that it is called the "Nintendo Wii"DivineShadow218 18:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The same could be said about Wii. It's all over the web including the Nintendo site as well.  In order to move it you need solid proof that Nintendo Wii is the name, read Verifiability.  Otherwise it'll just continue to be moved back and forth.  The article is move protected for a reason because there's not enough evidence to go on to move it to Nintendo Wii.  The reason the article is settled at Wii for now is because that's how it's refered to in the official press release.  If Nintendo releases another statement saying otherwise then it'll be moved, for now there's no resource more reliable than the press release. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Which is why I say we wait till the nintendo Press confrence... if they say the Nintendo Wii in the confrence then we rename it. that is it... Agreeed??DivineShadow218 18:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's exactly the point I'm trying to get across. There's no evidence to rename it now so why is this even being debated?  Like I said, if Nintendo makes an official statement that it's Nintendo Wii then of course move it.  Right now the only official statements mention Wii. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:59, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Just stating that I dont agree with your last sentance.DivineShadow218 19:04, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with TheKoG and HappyVR above - all the articles on the nintendo official website talk about 'the Wii', and the official press release has been cited countless times, in which they never once mention 'the nintendo wii' which is fairly convincing evidence that, at least until nintendo says otherwise at e3, the article should be called 'Wii' and not 'Nintendo Wii'. Libatius 19:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean all that you say Libatius.... you need to check everyones reverences first before making a statement like that. if you don't, people might think you as being lazy.DivineShadow218 20:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, you mean that contact page link? The 'looking for news on Nintendo's latest console?' one?  Sorry, I confess I missed that bit; I was referring to the front page articles (a contact page does not constitute an article), one by Dano the other by Matt, and the official release statement.  I take on board the link you provided, but I still think that the three sources I just mentioned hold far more weight than a contact page.  My original claim about the content of the release statement is accurate - check it for yourself - as is my claim regarding the articles on the site, so essentially you are calling me 'lazy' for missing a link, for which I apologise, again.Libatius 23:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I never called you lazy and if you thought I did, I apologize, but it is agreed that what ever statments are made at the press confrence about the name, that is what we are going by, but in the untill then we will keep it as Wii. So please stop trying to cause trouble. Thanks. DivineShadow218 00:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
There seems to be a lot of vandalism on this page over the last few days, maybe the article should be locked down for a few days. Right now there's "wii is the stupidest..." on the top of the page, but I'm unsure of how to remove it.--142.227.165.2 13:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, usually when there is blanking (replacing all the contents with a single or couple of lines) the bots will catch and revert the changes. When the name was announced we had one change per minute. -- ReyBrujo 13:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see the specific vandalism you're talking about, but if there is any feel free to go to the article, click "edit this page", and remove it yourself. You can edit the article just like how you edited this talk page.  If it's just vandalism with no good edits since the last good version then you can also Revert the article. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 13:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm... it seems the move protection tag was removed and lost somewhere, though... -- ReyBrujo 13:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * User:80.0.2.237 (talk • contribs) removed it. I've already restored it and warned the user with  . --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 13:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

"The other systems have an extension of their current names; ours is a new leap to something different," Perrin Kaplan, so its just Wii thas it nothing more nothing less, "No extension" CNN Money

nec
removed this : **NEC will be providing LSI. just because it was in the wrong place - as far as I know this is definately true - is it worth inclusion in the article?HappyVR 17:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Site Change
Nintendo's former Revolution site has been changed from revolution.nintendo.com to wii.nintendo.com.Sir John Sack-and-Sugar 20:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Isn't this Appropriate?
"After announcing the name, some criticism was received from English speaking countries because Wii sounds like the English word "wee" or the phrase "wee wee", common euphemisms for "urine" or "penis" respectively"

I noticed someone took the word "penis" out of this section and I'm wondering why. The majority of criticism I've seen has had to do with the fact that wii resmembles wee wee. Last time I checked, wikipedia was not censored so what gives? Ziiv 21:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * See discussion above. Ashibaka tock 22:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as I know 'wee' is a euphemism for piss and 'wee wee' is a euphemism for 'to take a piss' and everthing else is a euphemism for penis.HappyVR 16:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The Luigi Code
NOA_Rufus just posted a "Luigi Code" article at Nintendo's website. The text is in all lower case letters, with the exception of a few key letters. Here it is in full:


 * http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/FOR4KYhnoFssoH9J50wKVC81dq-zhITi.jpg howdy pardners!  yoU've heard the Buzz about nintendo's new console and the controller. you know that other secrets will be revealed at e3, but you Just can't wait to find out. rufus has the secret. Quiet, they're foLlowing me. Come this way...  there's somethiNg you should know about. a codE, as old as the wrench itself, that the secret society of plumbers has been using to Quip with eAch otheR in thEir mission to keep water Flowing to all parts of the world.  rufus has seen Jumbled documeNts fLoatinG around noa, and some of the words Bound within those documents, like PENPX, just haven't made sense. it's the code: the luiGi code. did yoU heaR that? let's move...  this might be rufus's last article because i've said too much already. i think they're on to me. the PlumBers, you see, are Quite feRociOus about protecting tHeir code, and ever since i cracked it, i've felt like one thousand eyes are Gazing at me. rufus sits across from a waLl of fan art, several Boards, and lately, i've noticed Hand-drawn pictures of luigi there i've never seen before, Just looking VerY closelY at me.  be warned! the code is dangeroUs, but so is kNowledge, especIally when you want to know something Real bad and someone else isn't Giving it up. always Browse for the code.  for the rest of you who Just doN't haVe time for a Great biG information hunt, kick Back, relax and wait for e3. nintendo'S going to haVe an Amazing show there. Quite frankly, rufus can't wait to hear aBout all the cool tHings about the controller that i ain't been privileGed to kNOw yet.  But that is, if rufus is still Here Gaming or if i'm in a Jam, Veering out of trouble and running Very fast. after knowing what i know about the luigi code, rufus has Just one Bit of Advice: if you crack it, watch out. that man in the Green hat Looking at you, he doesn't show up aBout everywHere you are on accident.  get well soon!  ABN_EHSHF, Wii cryptologist and a plumber's worst nightmare

Source

I've deleted all the lower case letters, punctuation and the capital "W" to get this:


 * UBJQL CNEQAREF JNL GB PENPX GUR PBQR  OHG LBH JVYY UNIR GB JNVG GB SVAQ BHG NOBHG JVV JBAG LBH  ABN_EHSHF

I noticed that half of the alphabet is moved over to the other half, like "A" becomes "N", "B" becomes "O", etc. So I used this to decode the following:


 * Howdy pardners! Way to crack the code!  But you will have to wait to find out about Wii, won't you?  NOA_Rufus

So I guess there are false leads so far... - NES Boy 22:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Ever heard of ROT13 ^_- ? PhoenixJ 00:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo filed the name Wii on November 11 2005
Joystiq article explaining that Nintendo filed a Priority_right back in November 11, 2005 for the name Wii Dionyseus 06:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Is a good thing Nintendo actually released the name before. Because if they had released it on the day of the confrenece. Trust me...this time everybody would laugh! Once again, the same applies for the revealing of the remote. Iwata had to show it at the was it TGS I can't remember, if they show it to E3 we would laugh...why? Because it looked like a sex controller!
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 07:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * that is kinda funny, not only are they serious, but now we now the Atterny for Nintendo. DivineShadow218 15:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

This may sound stupid, but anyone know a site, probalby www.uspto.com (Patent/Trademark Office) where we can check on all the new patents? If we see anything strange regesered, such as, Oh, I don't know, "wii," we know something is up. Also, something kinda creepy... WII, they are advertising it as wii, in lowercase. IN uppercase... WII. Don't get it? World War 2. Revenge device? Creepin' me out... P.S. I know, the WW2 thing doen't fit in with the section, but i fugured it out just now and had to include it. I'll start a new section as well. Aidan C. Siegel 03:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Accelerometer
Maybe I missed it in the article, but I was fairly sure the tidbit about the "nunchaku" containing its own accelerometer was a pretty confirmed item, and I didn't see it in the features list. Not placed in, or is there a reason I missed? gspawn 00:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * At this point, it's probably better to just wait until E3. --Maxamegalon2000 02:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's in the rumour section - also see Talk archive 6 section 'Nunchuck Unit Info'.HappyVR 07:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Trademark for wii forund
This article shows proff that the name Wii has been tradmarked by Nintendo. This shows that the title is real and that it is Wii and not Nintendo Wii.


 * Found the second reply there quite funny:
 * Holy crap! One of the trademark documents has this listed as one of the uses for the Wii™, "protective helmets for sports; machines and apparatus for immersions". Nintendo On does exist! And I can wear it while riding my bike!
 * Lee Bailey 03:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

PowerPC
I thought that the Wii containing a PowerPC processor was speculative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC#Design_Win_summary doesn't constitute proof in my opinion.

the other reference http://revolution.ign.com/articles/699/699118p1.html is debateable too.HappyVR 09:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not debateable. The article clearly states that the Wii uses an extension of the GameCube's processor, which is a PowerPC (as is also stated in the article). You can't have extensible instruction sets from a noncompatible processor architecture, which completely rules out anything but the PowerPC. Daniel Davis 10:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I realise that, but the articles sources could be questioned for there reliability - it's a 'leak' from an unamed developer or something. Currently this info. is contained in section:Rumours and Speculation, I think it's best to leave it there until there is more solid info., which shouldn't be long now.HappyVR 10:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it's a link from IGN themselves, and I for one trust IGN. They don't say "it could", they don't say "it might". They oughtright and specifically say "this is the architecture, and this is what it's based off of." That's not speculation, that's an outright statement. Remember that Wikipedia's basis is on verifiability. Don't you touch my citation. That's BAD touching! Daniel Davis 10:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * but I'm confused now because the same info. is listed as rumour in the rest of the article.?HappyVR 11:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Fixed. This isn't a whisper from a friend of a friend of a friend. This is IGN putting themselves on the line here; the only reason why they haven't "outed" the source is because Nintendo is notorious about it's NDA protected secrets. But they are explicit- they know for a fact that the system runs off the PowerPC architecture. We'll keep it out of the rumors section unless something changes, ok? Daniel Davis 11:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh no, I've had to revert - the reference for the rest of the rumour was in the bit you deleted..HappyVR 11:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for being vigiliant. I never would have known about the extra rumor stuff. Good work. Daniel Davis 12:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Delist speedy rename
Category:Nintendo Wii only games was listed on WP:CFDS, but has been delisted, indicating disucssion here and not really meeting the guidelines. Please list on WP:CFD if desired. — xaosflux  Talk  00:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Creepy Thing with the Name...
OKay. I mentioned this in another section, but let me exlpain the little bit more I need to. The name? Wii. Nintendo is promoting it as Wii, capital lowercase lowercase. Get it so far? BUt, capitalize it all, as I found by accidetally hitting the Caps Lock... and, WII. Creepily simmilar to WWII, World War 2. Maybe I'm paranoid because I just watched a documentary about WW2, but just want to put that out there. And yes, I made a typo in the other section I mentioned this in. User:Aido2002 03:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to come up with a polite way to call you a conspiracy nut and your observation a stretch undeserving of comment. If anyone else can come up with one, feel free to replace this comment with it.  In the meantime, I would point out that original research isn't allowed in articles, and to include the observation in it would require another source to report on it.  Sorry if I'm being harsh.  --Maxamegalon2000 03:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not just a nutty observation, it's a copied one. "Aido" is just mimicking a South Park episode where a very Nintendo-like company tried to use "Chinpokomon" to restart World War II. If Aido is going to create a conspiracy theory, he should at least TRY to come up with one that hasn't already been done. Daniel Davis 03:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Which leads me to this (1st post)http://www.revo-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?s=7ca828fe82ce1400f7b1ce86a5fa3947&t=5942&page=2

HappyVR 18:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I just read what is here on this, and I don't think I should be posting on the archiive, I'll copy/paste on current page as well... but anyway, let me just make it clear... I WAS KIDDING. And as far as Daniel Davis's observation is concerned, ironically enough, I saw that episode right after posting this... and the first thing I thought was that someone would say I was copying. Also, I did not intend for this to be in the article, just wanted to say it. Just wanted to make all this clear. aido2002 21:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Wii Logo
I replaced the infobox image with a slightly better one, but there's one here that is much better than both. However, I'm not sure about IGN's image policies. Does anyone know more about using their images? Alex&#32;&#40;t&#41; 07:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe that is an image from the Wii flash animation. I believe you can use it through "Fair use", the same way they are using it without being sued by Nintendo. Also, note that, in general, web site policies about images is of little relevance when compared with its copyright owner. -- ReyBrujo 07:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't use the one from the flash animation. The non-gradient one taken from the press release seems to be the logo they're intending to use, as a trademark. --Codemonkey 13:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, someone put up a cleaner version of the .png, so it's all good. Alex&#32;&#40;t&#41; 19:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Name
Shortened name section to just the 'facts' - do we really need homonyms of euphemisms, outside links to trivial articles and comment - I suggest not.HappyVR 21:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * We need the reference to urine, but not what Wii sounds like in a million different languages. -- Steel359 22:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No need to wikify urine. Plain English words should not be wikified. -- ReyBrujo 22:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure why we shouldn't have information about what "wii" means in various languages. The name has been the subject of a lot of criticism, and it's relevant from a marketing point of view. --Lee Bailey 07:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

What happen to Nintendo G0!?
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 19:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It was most likely a hoax like the Nintendo On. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)