Talk:William Longespée the Younger

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Is not "de" a solecism in these names? for "Longespee" is "Longsword" not a manor. This William rented his manors to go on crusade, and sold borough rights to Poole. --Wetman 02:42, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Indeed it is, though an error that seems fairly widespread and dates back to at least the 19th century. I agree that we ought to be consistent about either following along with the erroneous tradition or correcting it, but I don't feel like changing anything absent a fuller survey into the variant usages. Loren Rosen 06:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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It's practice in England to only give numbers to monarchs, not nobility or anyone else with the same name as their father or mother. I renamed the page in accordance with this and to avoid confusion with King William II "Rufus". His effigy in Salisbury Cathedral has a plaque describing him as "William Longespee the Younger" so I have used this as the new title. Paul S (talk) 09:45, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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Original research?
The citation at n.7, "Anglo-Norman Poem, H.S. Brit. Mus, Cott. Lib, Julias, A.V", seems to refer to an unpublished manuscript source. The only published copy of the poem (untranslated) I'm aware of is in the appendix to Simon Lloyd, ‘William Longespee II: The Making of an English Crusading Hero. Part II, Nottingham Medieval Studies, 36 (1992): 79–125.

So I'm wondering where the translated passage comes from. Is there a published version in English? Shtove (talk) 19:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Printed source for part of the cited material: The Memoirs of the Lord of Joinville, translated by Ethel Wedgwood (121ff.):
 * https://romancatholicworld.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/louis-ix-king-and-saint.pdf Shtove (talk) 17:09, 2 June 2023 (UTC)