Talk:William Pūnohu White

Additional sources

 * http://www.papakilodatabase.com/main/main.php

"Last week a meeting was called for Saturday night by the natives to discuss the Constitution but only two or three attended so it was adjourned until Tuesday evening of this week when about fifty natives and as many whites put in an appearance. Mr. W. White, a half white, said that the new Constitution was bad, in that it was very partial to whom it gave the franchise. He thought it was wrong to exclude the Chinese and Japanese and particularly the latter as there was a treaty with Japan which required ns to respect the rights of the Japs and he thought they should be entitled to vote as well as any American We are also called upon to take an oath to support the new Constitution before we can vote and I advise you not to do so but rather remain at home and not vote at all Ben Brown approved of Whites remarks and referred to the petition to the King asking all natives to sign it. Judge Lyman then arose and made a long speech. He took the new Constitution and explained it to the natives touching strongly on the feature that are the trouble to them. He said in concluding that there might be changes required in it but that the proper time to do so was at and through the Legislature. He advised all natives to take the oath and vote and then when the Legislature convened to present their grievance if any. He also said it was useless to petition the King and advised them not to do it. D. H. Hitchcock then arose and explained the reason why the Chinese and Japanese were not allowed to vote touched briefly on the Constitution generally and called on all to take the oath and vote. John T. Baker, our Sheriff followed in a very persecuted tone. The stories which were circulated about him during the height of the revolutionary proceedings he denied and then turning to the Bible for consolation said that Jesus was a poor persecuted man and was always being led about and he thought he felt something like Jesus now. He appeared to be conciliatory from stress of circumstances. Referring to the change in the Constitution and the trouble attendants, he said, "the haoles whispered and the deed was done." It came upon them so quick they could hardly realize the change, but they had better probably accept the state of affairs. Kekoa, of Puna fame, was now seen toddling forward his feet swathed in bandages It is quite apparent that his high living in coffee shops while in attendance on the last Legislature has told senouslv on him and we never more expect to see Kekoa free from coffee gout. It is really too bad that the bill "to regulate the strength of coffee in restaurants" did not pass last session when we see such sad havoc played with a man as this. But our legislators should not live so high If we only had Jim Keene, or some other Wall-street bull, to run a coffee corner, we might expect to save the next Legislature. However, Kekoa soon warmed up, and launched into a strong denunciation of the Constitution and advised all natives not to take the oath or support it in any way. An old kanaka from the country spoke up, and, with kanaka volubility, praised the Constitution, raked Bill White and all non-supporters mercilessly over the coals; said he did not think Chinese or Japanese should vote and then called upon all kanakas to support it. At a call for signatures to this petition to the King, five men and about twenty hoodlums from Puueo stepped forward and signed it. This petition is the same as the one lately presented to the King in Honolulu. It is very apparent that the natives accept the present change in the hope of a better future. This meeting was the voice of the malcontents, and it may be said they could hardly be heard. — ARCHIMEDES"


 * 1860-1889


 * "William White" in 1860-1889


 * "Mr. White" in 1860-1889


 * "Bill White" in 1860-1889
 * "Wm. White" in 1860-1889
 * "W. White" in 1860-1889


 * 1890 Legislature


 * "William White" in 1890
 * "Bill White" in 1890
 * "Wm. White" in 1890
 * "W. White" in 1890
 * "White, W" in 1890
 * "Rep. White" in 1890
 * "Representative White" in 1890


 * 1891 NEWS
 * Hon. W. White of Lahaina was the first speaker. He urged his hearers to live in peace and harmony, and ever uphold the throne of Hawaii. It was not possible gather any grains of sense from the rest of his speech.
 * Hon. W. White moved that the resolution ("Resolved, that the Hui Kalaiaina declare its entire disapproval of converting Hawaii into a republic") be indefinitely postponed...Hon. W. White expressed his great disapproval of the personal remarks between Messrs. Wilcox and Kaulukou. He had always abhorred the idea of a republic.
 * 
 * More 1891
 * "William White" in 02-1891-01-1892
 * "Bill White" in 02-1891-01-1892
 * "Wm. White" in 02-1891-01-1892
 * "W. White" in 02-1891-01-1892
 * "White, W" in 02-1891-01-1892
 * "Rep. White" in 02-1891-01-1892
 * "Representative White" in 02-1891-01-1892


 * 1892-93 Legislature
 * The Lottery Scheme – Oily Bill With Death and Ruin in His Hands The Pacific commercial advertiser., September 01, 1892, Image 5 http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85047084/1892-09-01/ed-1/seq-5/

Led residents of Lahaina in running Reverend Adam Pali out for preaching annexation in Waineʻe Church. 
 * Lahaina 1893


 * http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?state=Hawaii&dateFilterType=range&date1=5%2F1893&date2=1893&language=&ortext=&andtext=&phrasetext=&proxtext=lahaina+pastor+pali+&proxdistance=5&rows=20&searchType=advanced




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 * Genealogy
 * http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/white/2364/
 * http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=104835816
 * https://www.myheritage.com/names/esther_akina#
 * White wrote to queen about a secret organization called the Citizens' Reserve
 * Land of the White and Tolbert families and other
 * Land of the White and Tolbert families and other

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 * From 1900 to 1902


 * "William White" from 1900 to 1902
 * "Bill White" from 1900 to 1902
 * "Wm. White" from 1900 to 1902


 * From 1903 to 1922
 * "William White" from 1903 to 1922
 * "Bill White" from 1903 to 1922
 * "Wm. White" from 1903 to 1922

Mentions Mrs. Kahaulelio and S. L. White
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Research road blocks
Please help answer these question but provide sources for them, so I can cite them.

--KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:02, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Birth date, birth place, death date and death place. What we have here now is credited to  which only gives years. From what I've got here: he was born on August 6 [no year listed or birth place listed] and died on 2 November 1925 in Honolulu. I may need something more substantial than a post/update on a GoFundMe campaign to source this though.
 * 2) His genealogy, who was his parents. I based what I have in the article on and . You say his grandfather was John White, Sr. So who was John White Jr. and Keawe? Presumably you are saying Kaiakea was his ancestor through a wife of John Sr., right?
 * 3) When did he become a lawyer?
 * 4) Who is his wife? I've only heard of her and their burial place in one of your lectures? I'm asking someone to find an image of their gravesite so I can use it here.
 * 5) Was he a Reform Party member in 1890; election records from the time listed him as one and as a candidate who ran against National Reform candidate J. Nazareta. There is no clear evidence he later switched party during this session or was an NR member during this time period. What side was he on during the 1890 sessions with the NR or the R or the independents?
 * 6) When exactly he joined Hui Aloha Aina? We have the source that he was elected honorary president in 1896.
 * 7) Also what about his later life? Such as what he did after the 1901 legislature and how he died.
 * 8) It seem David Haili Kahaulelio (the name he used during the constitutional convention of the Republic) and Judge Daniel Kahaulelio were the same person???     or David Haili Kahaulelio and David Kalei Kahaulelio were sons of a Judge Daniel Kahaulelio???

Will do asap. Didnʻt know how to include sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Ron (talk • contribs) 23:46, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Created
Thanks for yet another solid article on a relatively unknown topic. Just wondering why you use "created" knight commander instead of "made", which I think is correct. "Created" is used twice, so I imagine it was deliberate? Vanamonde (talk) 09:26, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I thought the term were interchangeable. Does made sound more accurate?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:05, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Would "decorated" sound better using the exact words of the Queen in her memoir? The word "made" seems odd to me.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:27, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps "named" might be more precise, or "decorated" would be okay too. Vanamonde (talk) 09:48, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I did a little searching to find the right verb, and I found this article: Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom. In the section Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom, honors are awarded, and awards are presented, by the sovereign. In the section Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom, I see that the Queen bestows the honor. In the last paragraph of the Norman Thomas Gilroy section of Norman Thomas Gilroy, you'll see that ""Gilroy was knighted in 1969", and "He was the first Roman Catholic cardinal to receive a knighthood since the English Reformation." I know this is not Hawaii, but perhaps the information will help. I think to say "he was made a knight" is somewhat informal. – Corinne (talk) 03:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC) You might say, "He was made Knight Commander...", "He was honored with a knighthood," or "He was granted a knighthood".  – Corinne (talk) 03:03, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Problem is that it's not really a knighthood in the most common sense of the term, more on the line of an honor. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Copyedit of William Pūnohu White

 * Hello, KAVEBEAR - I have finished copy-editing William Pūnohu White. I just wanted to say that several times, in order to make an ungrammatical or unfinished-sounding sentence correct, or complete, I had to do a bit of guessing. I recommend that you study my edits carefully to be sure that I guessed correctly, and feel free to correct anything that is wrong or substitute a different word. Please ask me if you are not sure about anything. – Corinne (talk) 01:27, 8 January 2017 (UTC) By the way, I found the article quite interesting.  – Corinne (talk) 01:28, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. But I didn't detect anywhere where you change anything that required guessing. What areas were you unsure of? It looks ok.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:35, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, in  group of edits, you'll see that I added the word "organization" in this sentence:


 * He was elected in 1896 as honorary president of the Hui Aloha ʻĀina (Hawaiian Patriotic League), a patriotic organization established after the overthrow to oppose annexation.


 * There had been no word there previously, and a word was needed. I don't know if "organization" is the correct word or not. It could also be "party", "group", or "society".


 * I changed this wording:


 * He supported the lottery bill and opium bill which was intended to alleviate the economic depression on the islands' sugar industry caused by the passage of the McKinley Tariff.


 * to this:


 * He supported the lottery bill and the opium bill, which were intended to alleviate the economic depression on the islands' sugar industry caused by the passage of the McKinley Tariff.


 * I assumed that it was both the lottery bill and the opium bill that were intended to alleviate the economic depression, not just the opium bill.


 * Finally, I added a phrase in this sentence:


 * According to William DeWitt Alexander, this was pre-planned by the queen to take place while she met with her newly appointed cabinet ministers in the Blue Room of the palace.


 * to make it clear that it was the marching into the palace with the sealed package that was to take place at the same time as she was meeting with her cabinet ministers. Without the phrase, it could sound like the action was [pre-] planned by the queen while meeting with her ministers.


 * I'm just curious as to why you replaced the extra space after references that I had removed. I don't really understand your edit summary or the need for that extra space. With the space, in edit mode, it kind of looks like new paragraphs are being started when they aren't. – Corinne (talk) 16:42, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * All those changes are fine. I made the changes so it is better to compare them with the old version line by line. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:06, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Can you possibly take a look at the new addition for William Pūnohu White?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Loyalist vs Royalist
There was a distinction between the Hawaiians who opposed the Overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii. One sides who supported the queen and wanted the monarchy restored considering themselves Royalists and one side who supported the idea of Hawaiian nationhood, independence and self-rule as the more paramount agenda and did not necessarily support the queen considering themselves Loyalists. This is apparent in the newspaper records which used the two terms and not necessarily interchangeably. However, until more sources and research on the subject can be had, it's hard to distinguish and say what is what or who is who. So this is an idea that needs new scholarly research and insight before we have it for inclusion.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:28, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


 * https://www.google.com/search?q=site:https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/+++Loyalist+Royalist&biw=1070&bih=718&ei=P1aRWPKVN6mJ0gLywoqACQ&start=0&sa=N
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=site:https:%2F%2Fscholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu%2F++Loyalist+Royalist

Election records
1884

1890


 * http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83025121/1890-02-11/ed-1/seq-1/
 * http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?state=Hawaii&dateFilterType=range&date1=2%2F5%2F1890&date2=2%2F15%2F1890&language=&ortext=&andtext=&phrasetext=&proxtext=W.+White&proxdistance=5&rows=20&searchType=advanced

1892

1902

1903 County Election

1904

1905 County Election

1906 1908 1910 1912

1914
1914 Primary Election

1914 General Election - White and Home Rulers not on ballot

1916 Election - White and Home Rulers not on ballot

1918 Election on Maui - White and Home Rulers not on ballot

1920 Election on Maui - White and Home Rulers not on ballot