Talk:William Shatner/Archive 2

Error: 4.3 Health Problems
The episode should read "Arena"

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_%28Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series%29

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7bL9BhESYA (0:50+)

PatSueSean (talk) 08:34, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Children
Does he have a daughter? I have heard that the girl from the priceline commercials is really is his child. [BLPvio redacted. Fat&#38;Happy (talk)] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.52.226.220 (talk) 02:11, 30 November 2013 (UTC) three daughters. odd omission from the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.64.7 (talk) 03:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I had lunch with his daughter Leslie in 1976 or 77. She was in my Freshman dorms. Years later, he identified a different daughter in a car ad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.84.227.13 (talk) 22:50, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

FYI: User:Petershatner is adding himself as a child of William Shatner, allegedly given up for adoption, without citing references that meet WP:Source standards. I've largely given up on reverting him.THD3 (talk) 17:27, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

FYI: User:Petershatner is Peter Shatner and Peter Shatner is the son of William Shatner.

If this continues, I will file a dispute.<---post by User:Petershatner


 * User:Petershatner: Feel free to file a dispute. Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes. Meanwhile, I have deleted the birthdates of Shatner's three daughters as they are not relevant to the article. As they are not notable enough for a Wikipedia article, including personal information such as this is not warranted.THD3 (talk) 12:44, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 24 August 2014
Please review the multiple sources I have submitted for posting on the William Shatner page including The Wall Street Journal and The Herald Tribune which confirm that I am the son of William Shatner. I am frankly shocked at the voracity with which the other editors has sought to block this fact.

I am not an expert at Wikipedia and haven't posted for some time. Some of the objections, such as repetition, are merely due my lack of activity on this site.

Petershatner (talk) 15:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * , would you post the sources you have here so everyone can review them in one place rather than searching for them? GB fan 15:31, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:55, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10000872396390444327204577617520166228372

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20111020/ARTICLE/111029945

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/charity-auctions-of-bachelor-and-bachelorettes-to-help-kids-in-need-former-reality-stars-take-part

Petershatner (talk) 16:04, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The sources you give do not verify the information you were trying to add to the article. The first one just is a mention that he met Peter Shatner staying out of the rain.  Not a very good source for anything.  The second does confirm the fact that William Shatner has a son named Peter.  Neither of those two sources discuss who the mothers are, nor do they say what the birthdays are.  The second source would support adding in the fact that William Shatner has a son named Peter but that is all it supports.  GB fan 16:21, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd consider there to be sufficient evidence to at least add the statement that there is a fourth child, a son named Peter. We'll have to look elsewhere for information on the exact circumstances of his birth, etc., but I see no reason to keep a mention of him out of the article and the infobox. Evan (talk&#124;contribs) 17:02, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Now that protection has been removed I have added information about Peter Shatner into the article. GB fan 17:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Well GBfan,

Do whatever you think is right based upon the rules of Wikipedia, I am certainly no expert, but I am the son of William Shatner.

Cheers,

Peter Shatner

Petershatner (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Pray for the Wildcats
I discovered something I don't think is in the entry. In 1974 he starred in a made for TV movie called Pray for the Wildcats. Here's the entry in IMDB http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072024/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.10.24.116 (talk) 22:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * We would need something more than IMDB for this to be added. GB fan 22:13, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * After doing a little more looking, there is an article on the TV movie, Pray for the Wildcats and it is listed at Works by William Shatner. GB fan 22:20, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

"Trained as a classical Shakespearean actor" – where? when?
The article doesn't give information about his "Shakespearean" theater training, only that he "is an alumnus of the Montreal Children's Theatre", then studied economics, and after graduating became manager of the Mountain Playhouse in Montreal – something is definitely missing here... -- megA (talk) 11:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

youthfulness
the article lacking sufficient photos, it may be hard to realize that shatner while 81/82 looks about 40, 1/2 his age and, seems to have no plastic surgery , and has mostly no wringles, etc etc

He looks 3/4 or 4/5 his age, not 1/2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:DA8:D800:279:BCE5:5012:131C:EDB0 (talk) 11:02, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

"[A] Canadian-American actor"
How can that be thought accurate? He's several times stated -- including to a BBC interviewer in England -- that he's not American but Canadian. Surely an employment visa doesn't make one American.Masalai (talk) 12:10, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Whos is "Bill" Shattner?
I've been around the track a few times and I've never heard of Shatner called "Bill". It's always "William". Always. The lede, which says "William 'Bill' Shatner is..." is generally used for people why are mainly called by the nickname. For instance "Thomas Jeffrey 'Tom' Hanks..." Hanks is always or mainly called Tom and not Thomas so this makes sense. For Shattner, not so much.

Mind you, this has little to do with what his family or friends might or might not call him in private. We have limited knowledge of or interest in that. Some of that might seep through if there are a lot of references by people in sources saying "I asked Bill if he'd be in my movie..." and so on. If people to refer to Shattner like that it's news to me, but maybe. But the general public doesn't, and news accounts don't, and so I've removed the Bill.
 * In Chekov's Enterprise, Koenig's journal about the filming of ST:TMP, there is one reference to "William", but 39 to "Bill". -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:52, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I still wouldn't put it in. Lots of people have personal nicknames among their friends. So? Maybe his wife calls him "Honey", should we put that in too? W.C. Field's friends called him "Bill" too, but so what? For readers who are personal friends of Shatner maybe this would be helpful information; for the 99.99+% who aren't, it's essentially false information and not helpful. Herostratus (talk) 23:03, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The amount of times hes called Bill in interviews, hes own pages etc...we should  mention the  name I think.  For people that follow him on Twitter  and his website Bill is the  norm ....http://williamshatner.com/ws/bills-appearances/]. -- Moxy (talk) 16:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I concede the point. Herostratus (talk) 19:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 18 May 2015
The quotes: Television	Star Trek T. J. Hooker Boston Legal Priceline negotiator" "Psych"

are incorrect...

67.160.119.139 (talk) 01:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Please can you be more specific? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Picture
The picture of Shatner in the infobox should be replaced. It's not really appropriate to illustrate an article about a living person with an image of him playing a fictional character - the article about Hugh Jackman doesn't show him in character as Wolverine, after all. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 00:05, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * In that case, we'd need to replace Nathan Lane's picture (from a performance of Simon Gray's Butley), Maggie Smith's publicity shot (Othello), Adam West's photo (Steve Nelson, from Robert Taylor's Detectives), Burt Lancaster's publicity shot (from Desert Fury), and even Elvis Presly's picture from Jailhouse Rock. I don't think we should try and be 'photo police' for an entire encyclopedia. Frednotbob (talk) 09:53, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * It's appropriate to have a lead photo which supports a person's primary notability, regardless of whether they're alive or not. Readers benefit from an instantly recognizable image, as opposed to a recent candid at some public event, which can give an article a newsy feel. When readers scroll to sections about someone's more recent personal life, it's logical to have any relevant images included there.--Light show (talk) 17:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * A more recent photo would be best as he is still famous and recognizable...we dont use kid images for famous child actors like Jerry Mathers or Macaulay Culkin...the point of the image in the lead is to see what they look like in a contemporary sense ....not for a role they played that can bee seen at James T. Kirk. I say we go back to File:William Shatner.jpg .-- Moxy (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a much more appropriate picture. The current picture would be appropriate at an article about Star Trek, but it's extremely strange and inappropriate to this article, as it's about a real person rather than a fictional character. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:42, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I moved the Star Trek picture down and moved up the Sydney picture to the infobox. - Kiraroshi1976 (talk) 04:07, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Shatner's Bassoon
What, if anything, is the connection between the area of the brain known as Shatner's Bassoon and the great man himself? --OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 21:39, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

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The link on "Better late than never" goes to a disambiguation page. NotYourFathersOldsmobile (talk) 08:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Politics
Is nothing known about Shatner's political views? This seems conspicuously absent. 2602:306:B84A:86D0:B4B1:5EE5:6FDC:A2B6 (talk) 07:15, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * He's apolitical.--Moxy (talk) 07:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit-protect Lock request
Perhaps it's time to restrict editing of this article to registered Wikipedians. There seems to be an ongoing campaign to "tar" the subject with the "Cisgender" label, which may be linked to a recent Twitter campaign against the article's subject.THD3 (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Most articles should have editing ONLY by registered editors. MaynardClark (talk) 19:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Big "Mack"?
was he referring to trucks instead of hamburgers? --142.163.194.73 (talk) 21:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That was an unsourced and dubious recent addition by an IP with no previous editing history. I have removed it. Meters (talk) 21:56, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't have any sourcing, but the documentary was called "American Enterprise", filmed in the mid-1970s. The line referred to the Big Mac burger, not the truck. I don't remember anyone in my 8th grade class repeating the line.THD3 (talk) 23:29, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Shatner and environmentalism
The section Hobbies and charity work could benefit from mentioning Shatner's activism for environmental issues. In the bonus feature Star Trek for a Cause on the official BD of The Voyage Home, a leading member of Greenpeace states that both Shatner and Nimoy are (or were, sadly, in Nimoy's case) longtime members of Greenpeace and that Greenpeace officially uses an authorized tape recording of Shatner's voice for a phonecall for every new member to thank them for having joined the organization. At the press conference for Star Trek V: The Final Frontier included on the film's official BD release, Shatner bids farewell to the gathered reporters by saying into the mic, "Have a pollution-free evening!" And there's also recent interviews with Shatner such as and I think also  where he warns about the consequences of climate change and that we need to do something about it. --2003:EF:170B:F985:EC7B:8953:CF30:A2CA (talk) 23:39, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Acting Coach
At some period between mid 1971 through mid 1972, Shatner was Artist in Residence at the University of Texas in Austin. He lived in the school's guest housing near the main campus. 47.196.175.145 (talk) 14:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

T.J. Hooker
"Shatner also played the eponymous veteran police sergeant in T. J. Hooker (1982–1986) . . ." Why "eponymous"? Hazratio (talk) 13:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I suppose because they wanted to avoid "Shatner also played veteran police sergeant T. J. Hooker in T. J. Hooker", which is awkward. However, it could be written as "Shatner also played the title character, a veteran police sergeant, in T. J. Hooker" or something. You're welcome to go ahead in improve it! Herostratus (talk) 01:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Spaceflight current
Currently in U.S. Eastern Timezone, Shatner is officially in space and is considered to be the oldest man to ever go into space as of writing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.161.18.235 (talk) 14:57, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Spaceflight infobox
Shouldn't his spaceflight details be listed on his infobox like Wally Funk's? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:32, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No - that's just infobox bloat. Not sure if he is even considered an astronaut by FAA standards. ~ HAL  333  03:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Worth noting that Shatner himself doesn't consider himself an astronaut either. Big difference between being an astronaut and space tourist. --InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion (talk) 07:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Spaceflight ?
TMZ says he is booked to fly on New Shepard next month. Hektor (talk) 17:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It has been officially confirmed by Blue Origin. Hektor (talk) 14:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I added info about that. StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 15:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The excessive detail that StarshipSLS has added to the lead is unnecessary. The purpose of the lead is to summarize the content of the article. A brief mention there is sufficient, followed by providing the details in an appropriate section in the body of the article, after his acting work for which he is ostensibly primarily known. I recommend adding a section with the relevant details. -- Kinu t/c 19:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

For want of a better definition, Wikipedia should stick to the government definition of an "astronaut" and thus should limit use of that term to those awarded astronaut wings. There are other terms such as "space traveller" and "space tourist" which can be used to describe Shatner in the opening sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.21.135.198 (talk) 18:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Rocket Man
He is now called rocket man by almost every media outlet. Should be listed on main pages as other names he is known by. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.74.63 (talk) 01:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sources? ~ HAL  333  03:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC) Try NBC,CBS,ABC<MSNBC, Fox NEws CNN.


 * No, it is a play on his singing the song "Rocket Man" at one point in his career and undue as to it being used as an alternate name. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Putting that as an other name would be like listing "Rocket Man" on Kim Jong-un's page as an other name just because Trump called him that. --InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion (talk) 14:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

The best article calling him rocket man is the new York post article written on October 10,2021. Feel free to look it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.74.63 (talk) 19:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC) You could put it under occupation as Rocket man even though the major media calls him rocket man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.74.63 (talk) 19:45, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not how it works. If the best article calling him that is from 5 days ago then it's not in common usage and therefore is not known by such name. It'd be like saying he's known as "Suave actor"--141.157.254.24 (talk) 17:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Vegetarian World
Isn't William Shatner the producer of the Vegetarian World (1982) movie (or did he merely 'host and narrate' the 29:02 video? On the YouTube version I read (in the 'credits' at the end the names: Gordon McClellan, William Whitehead, John, __, ).  I think that he had stated (at least in an interview 'ages ago') stated he was a vegetarian in the late 1970s (when he lost weight for the first Trek film) but is no longer a vegetarian. MaynardClark (talk) 02:14, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2021
There are three Entertainment Weekly sources in here whose modern URLs I was able to find through their titles, since the various individual sections of EW no longer exist

January 15, 1993 seems to have lost its quirky title in its online posting

See Sarah Palin out-Shatner William Shatner on 'The Tonight Show'

William Shatner takes on the WWE (in spoken word, of course)

Please update them (and the relevant info in the references) accordingly 141.157.254.24 (talk) 17:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Semi-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Car accident
Special:Diff/1062065025

I asked the IP user to get consensus for the nobility of the incedent? I don't think it's Encyclopedicly notable. If the incendent is deemed notable I assume the used sourced should be also. The IP uese seemed reluctent to start a discussion, so here I've done it for them. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 01:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, what's wrong? He had a car crash. Didn't Tiger Woods and other folks have a car crash to49.178.123.9 (talk) 01:57, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * This was a fender bender, which happens in the USA all the time. It was not comparable to the multiple crashes Woods was involved in. The Shatner incident was mostly reported in gossip type media like TMZ whereas the Woods crashes both made the major national news outlets.THD3 (talk) 14:38, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree that it isn't significant enough to add to the article. It's a minor accident, no injuries, no police report filed. Leave it out. Schazjmd   (talk)  15:26, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Legend
These articles should include more comprehensive photo galleries. 71.197.187.9 (talk) 18:04, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Please review WP:GALLERY -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 19:37, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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Astronaut career
He’s not an astronaut. Why is he being credited as such? It’s an insult to genuine astronauts who actually have to work.

Recommend to re-word that entire section. 50.101.122.181 (talk) 02:36, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Senior Moment
Please add info about the movie Senior Moment.

The Bold Ones The New Doctors
Just finished watching an episode of this on the retro network. I think this is a 1973 episode, shatner undergoes a bypass operation. This should be listed in his television work. The wiki page for the Bold Ones does not list Shatner as a guest star either.

surfing is my life now, bra
the article mentions his ads for priceline but does not seem to grasp that this has been a gigantic big deal for priceline which some credit with hugely generating sales for priceline, etc, in, his latest ad, appearing in a biz suit, with surf board in hand, he explains, that 'surfing is my life now, bra' (sic slang for brother) and he'll have to see where the waves take him... ...pt109 jr 24.186.56.245 (talk)

William Shatner vs. William Alan Shatner
I think it's time to believe him this time: https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1576749979003064320 --Edwin Herdman (talk) 01:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * It's "Alan" in the mirror universe. Levivich (talk) 20:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a mention on Wikipediocracy ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 21:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sure Mr. Shatner will be thrilled to hear he's finally made it big :-D Levivich (talk) 22:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's wrong, so I added it to wikidata! Strangely, that's how "deprecated rank" works on WD. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 21:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Wm Shatner is in new Netflix program called “ 2600:1700:B810:8520:F17A:BBA3:3975:21FB (talk) 02:05, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Astronaut
As he is listed as a Astronaut in all space publications for going past the 50 mile limit to space. His occupation Astronaut should be listed as one of his occupations. This would improve the article by making it correct. 2600:1015:A022:2D41:BF4:37BE:3C0E:47D (talk) 09:40, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Not an occupation though. Doug Weller  talk 20:45, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Social media controversy was neither a one time thing nor non-consequential.
Hi @CactiStaccingCrane and anyone else interested. I saw this recent removal. When I initially added that information I tried to keep it short and neutral, but I think I undershot substantially causing it to seem UNDUE. I likely should have approached it more broadly.

The behavior is not really a one time thing, as this individual has repeated this and similar behaviors, and reliable sources have covered it years after the original occurrence. I likely should have included broader coverage of the various arugments documented in reliable sources, to keep things DUE.

For the specific argument around the "Autism Speaks" organization, in addition to the close-to-event sources in that diff (Slate, Pacific Standard ), here are some further sources: Now here's some sources that cover a related behavior over the term "cis" Here's some contemporaneous borderline-gossip coverage of different social media spat, perhaps not usable in the article, but still useful for purposes of this discussion: New York Magazine's Intelligencer, Vox
 * 1) Forward (masthead) ties it to other similar behaviors nearly 4 years after the initial occurrence,
 * 2) Grunge (masthead) gives a bit of analysis within a list, 6 years later
 * 3) Here is some primary sourcing via Twitter that we likely should not use in the article, but for purposes of discussion, demonstrating that the individual continued to engage in this fight years after the initial controversy
 * 1) Washington Post ("Style" section) notes his fight over the term "cis"
 * 2) The Independent ("Culture" section) details the events
 * 3) Rolling Stone further contextualizes this

Suffice it to say, this individual has a well-documented years-long history of high-profile arguments on social media, much of which is documented well after the fact in RS. Given also the well-documented feuds with coworkers and colleagues, I think coverage of this part of this individual's life is DUE. What's the best way to accomplish this in this biography? &mdash;siro&chi;o 22:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I think that you can add the info back to the article if you want to. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 03:58, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I'll add it back in a better way soon, rather than reverting the revert myself, because I do agree that I did not present it ideally in the initial form. &mdash;siro&chi;o 06:30, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Astronaut
William Shatner is listed as an Astronaut in NASA data bases as he went more than 50 miles high from Earth surface and into space. Why has wiki refused to list this as one of his jobs? He went and completed an approved astronaut course. Then completed a mission to space. If he is NASA approved why not wiki? 75.192.98.250 (talk) 13:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)