Talk:Windows Live OneCare

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Major completion (at this point) for the article. Anyone (esp. beta users from the managed beta should add information). Also, the .NET project is entirely different from the .NET Framework. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mgw854 (talk • contribs).

Failed .NET service?
I wonder what “Microsoft's failed .NET service” means. I don’t think that .NET Framework can be called a “failed service” (or a service at all, for that matter). Perhaps the author meant Microsoft Passport, which was previously known as .NET Passport, and is indeed a failed initiative (at least the article says so). But I don’t see how it relates to Windows Live. Could someone please clarify this? --qvvx 19:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe I mentioned this, and I did indeed refer to the .NET initiative, which was to completely merge Windows and the web. Windows .NET, along with the .NET Passport, and many more ideas that were ".NET" have been scrapped.  Windows .NET has turned into Windows Vienna, .NET Passport has turned into Windows Live Passport, and the only .NET feature left is the programming languages (i.e. .NET framework).  Windows Live is essentially Microsoft's new shot at .NET. --Mgw854 22:04, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Windows .NET has turned into Windows Vienna" -- Microsoft has AFAIK never claimed this; if they have, please post a source. The official information about Vienna is more than scarce at this point. Actually, Windows Vista will be the first Windows client OS to come with the .NET Framework integrated, and Windows Server 2003 was originally supposed to be called Windows .NET Server but changed due to the .NET confusion. As such, it's the first Windows server OS to have the .NET Framework integrated. -- Northgrove 20:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Name Change
Microsoft has changed the name of OneCare Live to Live OneCare. [] I will update the article to reflect these changes. Mgw854 on 5/19/2006, 6:06 PM EST.

latest release date
I have updated the latest released version but I do not know the date, its been a few days and no one has fixed it and added a date, anyone has any idea? Eshcorp 13:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have been updating the latest preview release for some time now. The original was on a template - . Since the edit by Pikablu0530 04:50, 23 December 2006 the format has changed so the update version is now on the article page and not on a template. Suggest deleting the template? I have also done it for the stable release too. --rjcuk 20:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

The graphic on the page for the latest version shows an older build. The latest production build was pushed to production on May 6th, 2008 - 2.0.2500.30 --Sboots88 (talk) 19:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Updates
Windows Live OneCare is no longer beta. In the latest blog post on the WLOC blog they state that WLOC should start showing up in stores. I have posted a new screen shot and updated the date in witch version 1.0.0971.18 came out. Gamerzworld 06:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It is still in beta. It may be only days or weeks until it's considered "released", but it is still beta. The current version on desktops (.18 or .20) is not the "gold" code. SchmuckyTheCat 06:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Criticism
Many of the products touted features, such as updating Windows, defragmentng the hard drive, or supplying a firewall, are already present in Windows XP by default, or there are freely available alternatives.
 * This sentence is completely true, but it isn't cited as any major criticism by a reputable source. One of the stated goals of OneCare is to bring these features that most inexperienced users do not do and do it for them. As such if any reputable source (ie, not a blog) has made this criticism, it should be cited. SchmuckyTheCat 06:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Should this go into the criticism section? I'm sure Agnitum count as a reputable source, but just want to check beforehand. Stev87 13:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Troubleshooting
When I was troubleshooting OneCare with a professional Microsoft technician over email, she mentioned that you can quickly close and restart the OneCare program using a Run command. Just type in "net stop winss" to end OneCare and "net start winss" to open it again. Of course, you could always end it with Task Manager, but I think OneCare is built on several programs running. This is probably the safest way to close it. I think this tip is best used when installing software or drivers etc. that require internet access IF you have the Firewall set to "Automatic (prompt)". As least I do. Should this info go on the article? --rjcuk 19:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Criticism
In the Criticism section, a reference is made to an "independent" product testing.Link However, readers have to register to view the reference. Does this story exist anywhere else? Because the current link is unusable as per WP:EL. I have not removed it but, if it is not accessible to the general public, it is not usable as a reference. Furthermore, every negative criticism in the article is from a competing software company. This is clear conflict of interest and also violates the external links policy. I'm not advocating their removal, but before anyone adds more criticisms from companies with a clear conflict of interest they should probably discuss it here, because it giving undue weight to the criticisms. - WeniWidiWiki 02:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As requested, another reference has been added and does not require registration to view. Virus Bulletin is also supposed to be "editorally independent", as Wikipedia puts it. 59.167.220.8 04:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Virus Bulletin is a sister company of Sophos, not owned by Sophos. And, indeed, it is editorally independent. (Sophos has failed the VB100 test in the past, too, like most AV companies have at some point.) Don't want to edit it myself, due to erm... 'conflict of interest', but I thought I'd make a remark here. :) 213.31.172.5 11:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

"Windows Live OneCare (along with three other products) failed to detect 100% of viruses" makes it sound as if Windows LiveOneCare detected 0% of viruses, which is false. Can anyone reword this? 142.151.160.64 14:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't someone with some insight update this section? It's my understanding that a couple months later OneCare subsequently passed this certification, showing marked improvement. Is there a ranking or certification list somewhere that is updated and can be referenced for up-to-date info? 72.24.86.95 18:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

GeCad mention needed in article
According to Microsoft, this product was built around GeCad developed code, not written in-house as the article implies.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39286351,00.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.255.85.110 (talk) 18:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
 * The GeCad bits are just one tiny bit of one component of a product suite.  SchmuckyTheCat

Onecare 2.0
Should there be a section on Onecare 2.0 as there should be beta coming soon and details about feature have been relesed. http://www.liveside.net/blogs/main/archive/2007/03/08/onecare-2-0-beta-to-begin-in-late-april-sign-up-now.aspx


 * Yes feel free to start a new section on Future releases. Pikablu0530 05:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Trial period
I just wanted to bring something up:
 * with OneCare v1.5, my trial period was 90 days from installation date;
 * with a subscription (bought for free from the 1.5 beta), trial period was 1 year;
 * with OneCare v2.0, my trial period is now 224 days from installation date.

Should this be mentioned in the Activation section, perhaps? Or is it a bit technical? I only mention this because the v2.0 trial lasts much longer than the v1.5 trial. Thanks! --rjcuk 11:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead and changed it, but I doubt that it might not be encyclopaedic material. Oh well, we'll see. --rjcuk 21:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The trial period is 90 days for a download from http://onecare.live.com except for a reinstall, in which case it is 15 days. If installed from CD, the trial period is 15 days before activation is required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sboots88 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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Added a trivia section
I know that it is against the wishes of Wikipedia, but I did not know how else to integrate this one single line of information on there. However, I do consider Trivia sections harmless as it allows room for future additions of well-made paragraphs when enough information is harnessed.71.125.64.199 (talk) 06:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Compatibility with Mac
Is OneCare compatible to use with Mac computers? --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 02:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The OneCare website references only PCs. Nevermind that the Mac is also a PC.  In Microsoft lingo, PC means "Not Mac".  However, I could find no definitive compatibility statement.  Rklawton (talk) 13:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Apple refers to Macs and PCs in the same fashion as Microsoft. See one of their ads sometime for an example. 69.204.13.43 (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No to what I believe your question is. You can run Windows on recent Apple hardware and OneCare will then run on it.  However OneCare does not run as a native OSX application. 69.204.13.43 (talk) 18:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Windows 7
Should we add something about Live OneCare not working with Windows 7? People (myself included) who had subscriptions and upgraded to Windows 7 have no use for our subscriptions since it doesn't install in 7! Doesn't look like a patch or refund is in the works either, a few reg hacks exist though. --96.51.155.119 (talk) 21:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * They said it wouldn't work with Windows 7 when it was discontinued, which was almost a year ago. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
 * Added and referenced. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

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