Talk:Winter white dwarf hamster

My explanation on removal of http://www.topicjax.com/russian-dwarf-hamsters
(We generally calls it normal/sapphire/pearl white/pudding winter white hamster for Djungarian hamster and campbell hamster for Campbell's dwarf hamster) leaving out the dwarf in my country, so notice I will use what I used to call for my explanation.) Lets get to the point.

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Reason 1 on the article, (The first picture in this article is no Winter White Hamster It is a campbell.)

Reason 2 on the article, Q. Should I get a male or female Russian Dwarf Hamster? A. Female Russian Dwarf Hamsters tend to be easier to tame then their male counterparts. It seems that males need more patience to domestic properly.

I have many of both actually, and in fact it is the female that are usually stressed more easily when they are pregnant and female doesn't necessary meant a better pet. (In terms of difficulty to tame, I dont see any different if you are using the correct treats as different hamster likes different food. This is definitely an unreliable study view, as it properly goes only to the author's hamsters. Beside from my observation of my own litters, many female(1 day to 6months old) tends to display scared and stressed position when disturbed by stranger during sleeps and squeaked more often, while the male counterparts not as much, and usually involve attempts to shove of your fingers when disturb rather than squeaking at you. On usual, the only time when a male hamster squeak which means it is scared is usually during fights and when its young of 1day to 4 weeks old from my observe.)

Reason 3, Q. Why do male hamsters start riding the backs of other male hamsters? Are they mating? A. No silly, male hamsters cannot mate. First make sure that they are actually both male and if they are males then it is simply that the male hamster is reaching its puberty stage of development.

(Looking at how the author replied, it seems that author is totally unaware, homosexuality do exist in any mammals. I for one kept winter white of sapphire/normal colors myself, and I did observed older males(10months old) mounting on young males one of 1month old who is his son. The young mounted male is now 7months old fathering another 4, while the older one is dead. Hence I can confirm to you its a young male he mounted. Definitely again, not a study view and goes only to a few in the author's pet shop and he just happen to see for reason and think of it.)

reason 4, Q. Can I place my Russian Dwarf Hamster with other hamsters such as Syrian or Chinese or Winter White or Robo Hamsters? A. No, this is absolutely not a good idea. Each breed of hamster should be enclosed into a den of its own kind of species. For example, Syrian hamsters should never be placed with any other kind of hamster because it will naturally fight and try to kill rival hamsters

(A winter white should never be placed together with a campbell as well, unless you are going to produce hybrids which is far more of critical importance than mixing with other species, author failure to bring this out clearly show author properly didn't even know that campbell and winter white are 2 difference species. As a result, it is not ok to put hamster together just because both are dwarf because there are serveral species of dwarfs. Robo hamster is one of them though the author can only see this.) Than again my observation is no deep analytical study views as well, but is definitely more reliable than the site I removed. Dsdsasds (talk) 02:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Mistake
i think there is a big mistake in the article:

"They enjoy each others company and are possibly the most communal hamsters in terms of living arrangements."

On pages like http://www.petplanet.co.uk/petplanet/breeds/Hamster_-_Dwarf_Winter_White_Russian.htm http://www.petwebsite.com/hamsters/dwarf_winter_white_russian_hamsters_behavior.htm or in (german) books like Judy Fox: Mein Zwerghamster zu Hause Bede 2003, ISBN 3-89860-027-0 you can read that they can be kept together but often fights occur.

This page has lots of errors and needs to be re-written by experts.

For the natural history of Phodopus sungorus, please refer to Steinlechner, 1998 

Also, large volumn of research done by Wynne-Edwards: unsigned comment by 84.59.230.180 (talk) 21:51, 6 November 2005

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I agree with the above comment on them often disliking company and changed the text. Simon A. 14:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Heat
I just got home from buying two of these animals and have just found out that one has died. The reason is obvious, there should be something in this article about traveling home with the Hamster in cooler temperatures. One of the hamsters I bought died of a heat stroke. Punk18
 * See WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a "how to" guide.  Puffin  Let's talk! 18:02, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Social? Removed!
"Winter Whites are not sociable and won't live together peacefully unless they are siblings, but even then, the hamsters might fight fatally. It is advised to keep them single, as in wildlife each of them has a territory of 12km²." Many places only sell them at pairs for a reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.61.186 (talk) 23:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

So why not you replace the info instead of posting everything here? Source? There are so many random info article on 'dwarf hamsters' care all over google, but even before reading them, one know the article is no trustworthy, and is properly written by a random pet shop owner/random owners, that knows nothing except spending lots of time idling with this rodents, and only know his/her hamster favorite food actually though act very professional. I'm always wondering if the author even know, dwarf hamster can comes in Roborovski, Winter White and Campbell. Because the title they usually give for their article are generally the likes of, 'care on dwarf hamster' 'breeding dwarf hamster' etc. When there are so many types of dwarf hamster out there, all with different characteristic and looks and cares are definitely different in a large way. Dsdsasds (talk) 10:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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Biological information - habitat, lifestyle, behaviour and such - should be present and indeed should come first. The German wikipedia has such info and one may translated from it or from some other non-English wikipedia.--91.148.159.4 (talk) 22:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Renaming article
I put in a request for article name change from: Winter White Russian Dwarf Hamster to Winter white Russian dwarf hamster.

Two naming possibilities, both getting equal google hits:


 * Winter white Russian dwarf hamster
 * Dwarf winter white Russian hamster

I chose the former because there are other dwarf hamsters. There is a big backlog for reaming, so any objections, please speak up. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

(This is per conventions). Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Move to Djungarian hamster, which appears to be by far the most commonly used name in reliable sources. By contrast, both "winter white" variants appear only very rarely in high-quality sources like scientific journals. There are several other names in use for this species—the IUCN Red List gives "Dzhungarian Hamster" and Mammal Species of the World uses Striped Desert Hamster, and "Siberian hamster" is also in use. There may also be some confusion with Phodopus campbelli, and some sources seem to limit "Djungarian" to that species. P. campbelli may actually occur in Dzhungaria, unlike P. sungorus, but I'm not sure of that point. If Djungarian—under whatever spelling—is too ambiguous, "Siberian hamster" is an acceptable alternative. The use of lowercase follows WP:RODENT guidelines. Ucucha 16:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow. They did it so quickly. Oh, well. Your suggestion is still a red link, so no harm done.


 * I thought it was completely uncontroversial (looking at the nature of the talk page). I like your plan about Djungarian hamster. I think the spelling is fine. I completely agree. I suggest giving it a couple of days, and then making the move. I doubt anyone will squeak about it. Nice to know somebody who is not 6 years old is watching this page. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Mistake with names
This page should be completely redone. It is filled with misinformation. First of all the Siberian dwarf hamster (phodopus sungorus) also known as the Russian Winter White hamster is NOT the Djungarian hamster. The Djungarian hamster is the Campbell hamster (phodopus campbelli). However, in the Wiki page for the Campbell hamster it says that it is a mistake to call it the Djungarian hamster when it is in fact the Djungarian hamster. 216.38.186.74 (talk) 14:01, 19 April 2011 (UTC)AA
 * I am working on this article. I enjoy the subject and have many books and internet sources.  Puffin  Let's talk! 19:31, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Rename
I've renamed the article, breeders call these "Winter white dwarf hamsters", pet shops call these "Russian dwarf hamsters", virtually nobody calls them "Djungarian hamsters". "Winter white dwarf hamster" is the preferable name because a) pet shop "Russian Dwarf hamsters" are often cross breeds and b) they mostly live in Kazakhstan not Russia. Szzuk (talk) 21:32, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've converted the article to mostly mention them as winter white, i will check the redirects, read through and copyedit in due course. Szzuk (talk) 21:57, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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Erika and Erikin and brother and family and friends 2A02:C7F:185F:D800:6C36:4D82:4CA:E1BF (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Care
I think someone should add a section about care. 167.248.177.137 (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)