Talk:Wythenshawe

Famous People
The link to Wayne Barratt of Slaughter and the Dogs is for an American investigative journalist who has been with Village Voice for over 20 years. Think there'sh been shome mishtake, barman...

Likewise the one for Mike Rossi, which links to a radio DJ in Philadelphia. I've just looked up his picture and will say that unless he's shed twenty years or so that is definitely not him.

Kevin Kennedy (Curly Watts in Corrie) did however come from Wythenshawe.

And (finally) I always thought that Johnny Marr came from Sale. Does that count as Wythenshawe? Never did when I lived there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zebideedoodah (talk • contribs) 00:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure where Johnny Marr grew up but he went to St. John Plessington High School, which was in Wythenshawe. 80.47.134.191 (talk) 11:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Harold H Corbett was born in Burma, lived in London so I believe, and died in Sussex... I havent heard about him being associated with Wythenshawe at all. TR_Wolf

...just to point out, I lived there and hated it. Horrible grim place. TR_Wolf HE WENT TO HEVELEY HEY YOU TOOL

Simon Gregory (stage name Gregson) used to live in Heald Green and has never lived in Wythenshawe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.68.189 (talk) 19:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Tony Wilson; can anyone produce any evidence he has ever lived in Wythenshawe? To my knowledge, he has only ever lived in Salford or Marple.

Other famous residents,

Dr. John Blades (Born Woodhouse Park July 1950) Author and Lecturer, John Blades has lectured in English Literature at the universities of Leeds and Durham, UK. His publications include critical studies of James Joyce and John Keats: The Poems and Wordsworth and Coleridge: Lyrical Ballads, also in the Analysing Texts series.

Rob Gretton. (Woodhouse Park, January 15, 1953 - May 15, 1999) DJ, Manager Joy Division, New Order, Instrumental in setting up Factory Records, Manchester's influential independent record label, Co founder of The Hacienda Club, Manchester, Record Label owner - Robs Records - (released The Doves first single)

Mike Rossi, Guitarist, Slaughter and the Dogs

Wayne Barrett, Vocalist, Slaughter and the Dogs Ronnohof (talk) 10:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Frank Renshaw of Wayne Fontana and co 78.149.214.223 (talk) 05:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Largest...
Whilst the article only says that 'Wythenshawe [..] is often referred to as the largest housing estate in Europe.', and thus is not technically contradicting this article, it might be nice if someone could clear up whether Wythenshawe or Becontree is the larger estate.

As the claim for the latter is seemingly based on population, perhaps Wythenshawe is geographically larger, thus explaining the confusion. I've never been to Becontree myself, but Wythenshawe isn't that densely populated, by comparison with tower block estates, so I can imagine it being spread over a larger area even if the respective populations are of the same order of magnitude.

--Benwilson528 23:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Lancashire or Cheshire?
Which county did Wythenshawe form prior to Greater Manchester - Lancashire or Cheshire? Jhamez84 20:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Lancashire. Cheshire's too posh ;) TR_Wolf

Thanks! I was confused as the area is in the deep south of Manchester. Google searches provide links to both Wythenshawe Lancashire and Wythenshawe Cheshire. Jhamez84 15:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think Manchester City Council bought the land off cheshire council as an overflow area for scrotes in the babyboom years after the war.


 * The history of Wythenshawe is documented here. http://www.wythit.com/wythit/Local_Activities/Local_History/Default.aspx?CmsContentID=1098


 * It seems quite unambiguous that it was in Cheshire, not Lancashire. The land where Wythenshawe now stands was bought by Manchester Council in May 1926, a little early for the babyboomers. ---- Eric 13:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The land where Wythenshawe now stands may perhaps have been in Cheshire prior to the building of the estate in the 1920s, but the city of Manchester was previously a part of Lancashire and so when the land became part of Manchester, Wythenshawe thus became part of Lancashire. This was until 1974 when Manchester and the surrounding boroughs became the Greater Manchester area, which is still effective today. MassassiUK 02:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * When Manchester Corporation bought Wythenshawe in 1926, that did not make Wythenshawe a part of Manchester, much less a part of Lancashire. ---- Eric 15:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * According to the local history book I have, Wythenshawe was officially incorporated into the City of Manchester in 1931, and it would therefore be part of Lancashire from that date up until the time it became part of Greater Manchester. The information is also reiterated here: http://wythenshawe-life.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/page7.htmlMassassiUK 06:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

That seems to settle it then. Up until 1931 Wythenshawe was part of Cheshire, and from 1931 until 1974 it was part of Lancashire. ---- Eric 11:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Notable Residents
If people know who Ryan Florence is and why he is known, then he is clearly a notable resident, and people should stop removing his name from the list. 80.47.112.27 19:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * People DONT know who he is. If you said that name, no one would know it, unless you said "oh he's the guy who made a gun gesture behind an MP a few months ago". It's not relevant at all, the noteable resident section is for famous well known people, and people of achievement, some chav in the background of a news report doesnt count. STOP re-adding it! TR 23:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I've re-added Dr. John Blades as a notable resident (believing notable to mean 'noteworthy' and not necessarily 'famous', besides, having Dr.Blades on board may show that Wythenshawe can produce intellects and not just past members of the entertainment industry.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronnohof (talk • contribs) 15:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Is Wythenshawe really a district?
I'm wondering how accurate it is to describe Wythenshawe as a district. Surely the city of Manchester is the district and so Wythenshawe is a subset of that? From what I can gather, 'Wythenshawe' is the name given to a grouping of Manchester wards, where there was attempt to build a garden city south of Manchester. (See also here and here.) Any thoughts? Tong22 (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Only one thought, which is that Wythenshawe was indisputably planned as a garden town and as such is indisputably a district. Malleus Fatuorum 21:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've noticed your attempts elsewhere to merge districts with wards, such as with Ardwick, but I'm afraid that you're missing the point; wards are determined on the basis of population, not geography or history. Malleus Fatuorum 21:55, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Wards are surely determined on the basis of geography as well? I can see quite clearly why people have opted for 'district', but I don't think that it's an accurate term, or more likely, it is the chosen term because there isn't a suitable alternative... Tong22 (talk) 23:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you're quite clearly wrong. Wythenshawe was created as one of the first garden villages; that has nothing to do with present-day wards. Malleus Fatuorum 01:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That it was created as a garden village isn't up for dispute, what I'm saying is that the name Wythenshawe applies to a grouping of wards (or neighbourhoods...whichever one you fancy) in South Manchester and that I think that the term 'district' may not be accurate. I've already explained to you what my understanding is of districts in England, as I have linked above: either metropolitan, non-metropolitan (or unitary authority). Wythenshawe is neither, what with it falling within a metropolitan district already. I'm not going to pretend that I can convince you otherwise, because you almost seem a bit offended that I have a different opinion to you, but at least hear me out on what I think is quite an intriguing situation:

Manchester City Council references
Having skimmed through the ward co-ordination pages for Baguley, Brooklands, Northenden, Sharston and Woodhouse Park, you'll find that Wythenshawe isn't once referred to as a 'district.' In fact, the most you get is either 'area' or 'town' or 'suburb'. A quote from the Sharston page: "It is one of five wards that make up the area known as Wythenshawe..." The same page mentions the ward in question forming "part of the garden city design", whilst the Woodhouse Park page explicitly refers to the area as a "garden city". As for the 'town' references, well the Baguley and Brooklands pages refer to a 'Wythenshawe Town Centre' in an address at the foot of the page, whilst the others opt for just Wythenshawe, So there isn't a clear cut definition for it, even from the council. Incidentally, the ONS doesn't currently identify Wythenshawe as a settlement in its own right either on this map here or on this table here, contrary to any human perceptions. Call me rigid, but the ONS is the ultimate source on what constitutes a settlement in this country and that's what I'm going off. I hope all this will explain where I'm coming from. So I ask again, is there not a more accurate term for Wythenshawe? Tong22 (talk) 01:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not in the slightest offended, but these distinctions are, I feel, doomed to failure. Take Stretford for instance, once a town, now a what? There's certainly a ward of that name today, but it represents only a fraction of what was the town. Malleus Fatuorum 01:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Presumably still a town? I'm aware that ward boundaries overlap the physical boundaries of (small) settlements, not that defining the latter type of boundary is straightforward in the middle of a conurbation. I know that Bury town proper is split by two or three wards, and of course, the fair city of Manchester split by no less than 33. It seems that the refurbished centre of Wythenshawe is promoted as a 'town centre, so I'd be happy for the area to be referred to as a town within the city of Manchester, which I think perfectly honours its historical status as a garden city. My opposition remains with the term "district" however. Thoughts? Tong22 (talk) 10:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a tendency to take definitions of words quite narrowly. Dictionary.com defines a district (in British terms) as "a subdivision of a county or a town". In this sense, Wythenshawe is indeed a district, though it could also be called a "suburb" or just an "area", which would also be correct. A town is considered to be a populated area that is larger than a village but smaller than a city, but since Wythenshawe is already part of a city (Manchester) it would therefore be known as a district, suburb or area of that city. Places like Bolton and Bury are towns because they are not part of cities, nor are they big enough to be considered cities by themselves. Even though the centre of Wythenshawe may be called a "town centre" (previously known as the "civic centre") it doesn't strictly mean it is, anymore than the main shopping areas of Didsbury or Chorlton are "villages" despite the fact they are often called that. 88.104.27.54 (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You make some very valid points here. But whilst Manchester is a city, it is also a (metropolitan) district, but I suppose in common parlance, the term district can be considered an informal demarcation for a large (unofficial) subdivision of a large settlement- or sometimes for a small, specialist area. My problem on wikipedia really, is that the term seems to be used for a wide range of areas within a city. Take the former ward Benchill, which is described as a district of Manchester, "part of the massive Wythenshawe council estate." So thus far, we have a "district" (Benchill ward), within a "district" (Wythenshawe), within a (metropolitan) district (Manchester). I may well be being too rigid in my interpretation, but it's just that I see no official demarcation of subdivisions of Manchester as districts (as well). Tong22 (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Junk
I have removed the following links, none of which seem to meet the external links guideline. Mr Stephen (talk) 17:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * http://www.wythenshaweforum.co.uk - Wythenshawe Forum - destination of choice for leisure, health, learning, childcare, library services and events in Wythenshawe, Heald Green, Gatley, Cheadle and across south Manchester.	+
 * http://www.realliveswythenshawe.com Local news, information and events
 * http://www.manchester.gov.uk/a_to_z/service/1316/wythenshawe_park Wythenshawe Park
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/10/world/europe/10britain.html NY Times article about Wythenshawe youth
 * http://www.wythit-heritagetrail.btik.com/ The Wythenshawe Heritage Trail
 * http://www.wythenshawehistory.btik.com/p_TEST.ikml history of Wythenshawe
 * http://www.wythenshaweworld.com Wythenshawe's Own Local Newspaper
 * Were these simply used as external links or as sources? The New York Times is one of the most famous newspapers in the world. Manchester City Council's website should certainly be valid as an external link and as a source. 88.104.27.187 (talk) 01:31, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

External links modified
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090820171037/http://www.itv.com:80/presscentre/theduchessontheestate/ep1wk34/default.html to http://www.itv.com/presscentre/theduchessontheestate/ep1wk34/default.html

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Unsourced historical information
I have removed this: "For many centuries the Tatton family owned Wythenshawe Hall and much land in what is now Wythenshawe. Manchester Corporation, which was in desperate need of land to house the city's rapidly increasing population, pressured Mr Tatton to part with the land in 1926. What was once farmland was transformed into one of the largest housing estates in Europe. People from Northenden are not considered to be part of Wythenshawe historically." as it was unsourced. If anyone (perhaps a local?) can substantiate it with a reliable source, it could be re-added.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  13:06, 31 October 2019 (UTC)