Talk:Xbox 360/Archive 14

Project Natal
A section should be added to the Hardware section titled "Project Natal". Ample information is available now on the matter. It should like to Project Natal which could use some cleaning-up. 12.107.188.5 (talk) 04:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC) Steve ballmer actually said that it would work with all previous xbox's, and would not be released with a new one. please update the article.

30.2 million shipped
According to teamxbox.com microsoft has shipped 30.2 million units since the 2005 launch, so shouldnt the number sold be changed?

heres a link to the article http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19462/Xbox-360-Sales-Up-30-Percent-in-March-Quarter/

team xbox is clearly a reliable source —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irlargy (talk • contribs) 23:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Another source; http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Xbox-360-Sees-Record-Growth-prnews-15368729.html?.v=1

The "units sold data" should be updated to 30.2M from it's current value. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.34.153 (talk) 19:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

200 Gajillion in Japan
Didnt MS Announce they have reached 1 million in japan like last month? can these sales be updated? or are all the big editors on wikipedia only focusing on the Wii's Figures.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by PseudoKirby (talk • contribs) 00:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Pictures Need to be Updated
I was looking over this page and I noticed that some of the pictures were from the the older versions of the Xbox 360 Software. Can we get some new, recent pictures to replace the old ones please? I know that the New Xbox Experience is coming out soon, so if you guys want to wait to update the pictures that fine. - E102_Gamma 24.125.18.16 (talk) 01:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit: I check and look at the pictures and I found that only one needs to be updated, in which its the Xbox Live Arcade Picture. If anyone can put up a latest version of the Arcade Screen, that would be great. (10/15/08)


 * I have found suitable replacements for each picture for when the update comes out.
 * • New Dashboard: http://ve3d.ign.com/images/fullsize/38824/Xbox/Xbox-Live-Arcade
 * • New Marketplace: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gamerscore/2909504883/sizes/l/in/set-72157607698464960/
 * • New Video Marketplace: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gamerscore/2969962206/sizes/l/
 * or http://ve3d.ign.com/images/fullsize/32378/Xbox/Xbox-Live-Starter-Kit for Netflix
 * • New Arcade area: http://ve3d.ign.com/images/fullsize/38815/Xbox/Xbox-Live-Arcade
 * When the new interface comes out, can someone replace the images? Thanks Wofiel (talk) 12:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

RobTheGob (talk) 19:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC) The image caption "An 60gb Xbox 360 box" is not correct - this should be changed to "A 60gb Xbox 360 box". There is also a mismatch of the wording of the captions for the Xbox 360 Elite - it should be changed to "An Xbox 360 Elite" to match the other images (or the other captions should be changed to remove the A/An to match this one).

YES! what about adding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Future_Force_Warrior_2007.jpg ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.177.119.94 (talk) 21:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Microsoft Knew About Xbox 360 Damaging Discs
Does someone who has access want to add alittle tid bit about how microsoft released the console knowing that if you so much as bump it while it is accessing a disc, the xbox will destroy the disc? Apparently they had 3 fixes on offer, but they elected to go with the cheaper option of affixing a sticker to the back page of the instruction manual explaining that any broken disc is the customers fault.

Sources:
 * Original Blogged link of lawsuit: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/156941.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blastzilla (talk • contribs) 02:57, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Sales Update
Why hasn't the 360 sales data been updated
 * Videogamer is reporting that XBOX360 has hit 6 million in sales in Europe. Simcoe (talk) 19:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Media Remote in Oceania
I live in Australia, and My mates who bought the 360 Pro all received remotes instead of a headset, like in the article, however I bought a Pro yesterday (25.4.08) and received a headset like in other regions. It was a new shipment and is the PAL version, AND it says it on the box. I think this means that the package has changed, so I will remove the detail in the chart until proven otherwise.--Peeto87 (talk) 05:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding Rumored Hardware Stuff
Despite it being pretty well reported we can't put un-official rumor information in the article until it becomes official.

That means the Jasper, Opus and Vahalla Motherboard designs, the Newton Motion sensative controller, the 60 Gig hard drive, and the external Blu-Ray drive (if they get a blu-ray drive it is NOT going to be internal) --8bitJake (talk) 19:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Halo 3
Shouldn't there be a little more info on Halo 3 here than there is? That's like the title game for Xbox360. Razor Rozar7 (talk) 19:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC) no because halo 3 is a seperate product. imo there shouldnt be anything on halo 3 at all other than "it is the best selling game for this console" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.131.30 (talk) 14:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

First to reach 10 million in sales
The claim made by Microsoft that the 360 is the first to reach sales of 10 Million in the US is not true. In Nintendo's consolidated financial statements for the fiscal years ending March '07 and March '08, the total number of Wiis sold in "The Americas" is 10,610,000 Carpeamentum (talk) 13:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The US is not the same as "The Americas". Check a map, I'm not even kidding, there is much more than the US in North and South America.  Enjoy your new-found knowledge.  24.72.113.212 (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

xbox 360 errors
I would like to see much more information on the failure rate of the "360" systems, and other malfunctions that had been reported.

75.160.128.137 (talk) 00:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see Xbox 360 technical problems. Thingg &#8853; &#8855;  16:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

The red ring of death? This is de officialy name error from Microsoft???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.27.17.46 (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Caption fixed. Thank you. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 20:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

These sources should be included in the error section:

Microsoft Xbox 360 original failure rate as high as 68% Source author by schnide 14:45GMT, 08/09/08  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schnide (talk • contribs) 13:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * From your link: "The factory defect rate for Xbox 360 consoles in August 2005 - four months prior to its US launch - was as high as 68 per cent."


 * Including that number would only serve to confuse the article -- the intent here is clearly to put Negative-POV on the article.


 * Why is the PRE-RELEASE FACTORY DEFECT rate relevant? Should we also include the lunch menu from the factory?


 * 12.107.188.5 (talk) 04:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The pre-release error rate is significant because it shows how much trouble Microsoft had to get its production line to a state that it could think about using it to make a product for real customers, remember, we are not talking about prototypes anymore at this stage, its normal that a first (or even a third) production run isn't close to the 3% or so of a normal error rate of a production run of a product of this complexity, but a 68 percent (that is two thirds of the test run) is abnormally low, even for a product this complex. Remember that four months to full launch is a very short time, as it takes at least those 4 months to produce all the products, and ship them to the dealers. Its also not mentioned in the brief compression in this article, it is only mentioned in the main article, and then only in the context as I described it here. Please sign your contributions, even if you are anonymous. Mahjongg (talk) 22:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you possibly go into more detail about the Xbox 360 technical problems? Kylee20051 (talk) 20:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

They're trying to avoid people seeing it by putting it on a different page. ~Avery Segaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.9.25.22 (talk) 16:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * in fact its just as well, because it would otherwise make this article significantly longer, its good custom to split of sub pages in such cases. Mahjongg (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussion on Xbox 360 modding
This page makes no mention of the xbox 360 modding scene as far as I can tell. It should explain what is required (flashing the DVD drive's firmware), how this differs from the original Xbox and what Microsoft has done to try to prevent this. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 03:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree that is certainly needed Redskins0756 (talk) 02:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No wikipedia is NOT a howto, see WP:not. Mahjongg (talk) 22:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Strongly disagree; the xbox 360 modding scene and its differences from the cultures around other platforms is of great interest from a technology policy perspective. The XBox 360 has just about the most expensive and complicated DRM to be found on any platform, and its consequences are of significant intrinsic interest. Such discussion need not be a howto.  -- pde (talk) 20:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Memory Card size for Arcade Bundle
Hey, I can't edit this page but recently the 360 Arcade bundle started coming with 512MB memory cards as opposed to the old 256MB memory cards. The article should be updated to reflect this change. 71.7.244.180 (talk) 23:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC) New post: the new arcades come with built in memory —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gfrewq12 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

360 revisions
The article is missing a section, where it specifies the differences between the motherboards(xenon, zephyr, & falcon), and info about all the dvd drives (samsung, hitachi, & benq). So we know which 360 we have or which one is the current. . --MarioV (talk) 22:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

reception section?
why is there no section talking about the console's reception, as is present in the other 7th generation console's articles here on wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.81.124.118 (talk) 06:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. As with the Playstation 3 section, and the Wii section, this page or the sales page should include the production costs of the XBOX360 compared to the sales costs.  While it mentions that Microsoft is taking a loss, it does not include a specific cost of each unit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcook5 (talk • contribs) 16:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Wired controllers
I noticed that the controller input is labeled as "4 maximum (wired or wireless or combination of either)" but this is incorrect as you can only have three wired controllers plugged in at any one time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.155.203.16 (talk) 22:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If you get a USB splitter, then you can hook up four. Someone correct me if im wrong. Dvferret (talk) 19:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Redundancy in the Technical Failure section
'"General Hardware Failure" is recognized by three adjacent quadrants of the ring flashing red.' Three quadrants of a circle have to be adjacent, i would recommend removing the word adjacent from the sentence above. Davebo (talk) 22:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * True, and so I removed the word ajacent in the article, thanks. Only if three other segments can be lit to indicate another error, then maybe we need to reword this sentence. But I don't think there is another error code with three lit segments. Mahjongg (talk) 00:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

howru? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjb2008 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

new advert coming?
i was recently asked to participate in a paid survey in which i was shown clips of various existing adverts such as a red bull one and for some reason a virtual tour of a supermarket, and then an advert that was obviously still in planning stages as it was just a few still images with a voiceover. but in the advert, it had a little 2.4 family sitting round on the sofa while a man voiceover said something about how the entertainment they are recieving is like a "spark igniting a petrol soaked firework factory" but not showing what they're watching, then it shows a womans shocked face and then her playing guitar hero, then a kid watching bee movie, then the kid and dad playing monopoly on a tv and then it shows that little xbox 360 logo and sound everyone knows. the advert implied that xbox is shifting their focus onto family entertainment in a similar vain to the wii and focusing more on everything else it can do as well as playing games. a new marketing scheme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.131.30 (talk) 22:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * interesting, but we can't include this in the article per WP:NOR. – xeno cidic  ( talk ) 23:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

oh i know.just thought it'd be interesting for people to know. i forgot to mention i was also asked to keep the whole thing quiet like one of those NDA's but i guess i broke that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.131.30 (talk) 15:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

HDMI 1.3?
Under connectivity on the page should it now include HDMI 1.3? which now comes as standard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by James3797 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would probably say yes but put an (as of xx/xx/2008) or some such. – xeno cidic  ( talk ) 23:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Changed data about 20 gig
I made a couple of edits on the comparison page. I changed the price to $299 now that it's official and changed the HDD size back to 20. Somebody else has to make a new 60 gig section when it comes out.Maxtro (talk) 18:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have included both the 60 and 20 HDD in the premium since it is now official from Microsoft as well as some other edits regarding the comparison page. I didnt think a new column was needed. Dvferret (talk) 19:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Future section
I think we need a section about all the planned updates that were announced at E3 today. Some of the things that should be included are the new dashboard, the "avatars", netflix integration etc... There is an announcement here UKWikiGuy (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Should be added in now as its all been confirmed.Deathtrap3000 (talk) 00:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Damn, you beat me! I was hoping to be the one to break the news but you got it! I only have info from G4's coverage and have started a few forums on xbox.com. I cant help you much until I get more stuff together but please, put what you can! Seanpnoot (talk) 03:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

2008
"The Xbox 360's graphical user interface GUI is the Xbox 360 Dashboard;" that's so dumb! Graphic User Interface is GUI!, GUI is the abbreviated name for Graphics User Interface. Its like saying: I signed up for Information Technology IT course"

And for the new dashboard look, the GUI itself, resembles XBMC, not I-Tunes:/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.31.47 (talk) 18:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Why didnt you fix it then. Deathtrap3000 (talk) 22:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Autumn 2008
Perhaps a bit pedantic but, "The new look Xbox 360 comes into effect after an Autumn 2008 update." - Shouldn't it be a bit more general? I mean, it's not actually Autumn in Australia, it'll be Spring. Perhaps it should say something like, after the September update, although I guess that assumes that it will be in September... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.176.247 (talk) 10:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest Q3 2008 is in general less ambiguous. 121.209.134.1 (talk) 15:01, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

The Dark Knight Xbox 360
Should "The Dark Knight" Xbox 360 be added to the special editions section? Wiki131wiki (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

New Dashboard section
Reads like an ad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.200.179 (talk) 16:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Sales Data
Cumulative sales from the system's launch until June 30, 2007 were predicted to reach 12 million units, down from 13 to 15 million units estimated earlier. Being released one year ahead of its competitors, the Xbox 360 was the market leader throughout the first half of 2007. However on September 12, 2007, it was reported by the Financial Times that the Xbox 360 had been surpassed by the Wii in terms of worldwide console sales.[104] On October 4, 2007, soon after the launch of Halo 3, Microsoft stated that Xbox 360 sales had more than doubled compared to the previous average.[105]

Based on figures from October 19, 2007, the Xbox 360 outsold the Wii for the month of September in North America, helped in part by the spike in sales seen after the launch of Halo 3, which sold 3.3 million copies in the United States in a 12-day period.[106] The Xbox had sales of 528,000 units for September, while the Wii had sales of 501,000 units.[107]

Is it really that much of interest that the xbox had one month where it sales was higher than wii? At all other month the wii sales are mostly three times the xbox360 sales. At the moment, the week after the xbox360 price cute, the xbox sales doubled (101.000 Xbox to 159.000 Wii sold last week http://vgchartz.com/aweekly.php) like they did in europe after the price cut, but only for a week. I think the same will happen in the US. Even the in the US unloved PS3 has month with sales higher than the xbox360.

Hey, igit, it's Xbox 360, not xbox360. Try not to sound like a Sony and Nintendo-fanboy on an 'independant' site. Schmuck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.134.108.9 (talk) 23:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It's obvious that MS-Marketing people are created parts of this article.


 * Yes, obviously, people would never want to know about interesting spikes in sales of the console at the same time of the release of a long-anticipated 360 game. I would understand that people researching this topic would find this fully-sourced information to be unhelpful and counterproductive. — OranL (talk) 17:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Virtua Fighter 5 was not released simultaneously with the PS3 version, it was released months later. Please remove this from the list.75.21.149.114 (talk) 00:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

BDROM DENIED and Smaller Case Version???
If internal/external bluray has been OFFICALLY DENIED by MICROSOFT, MULTIPLE times then why is it mentioned in the article as if it is going to happen? And then the smaller case version? Another rumor. So why are we mentioning it??? :) Dvferret (talk) 02:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

error in SKU table
The premium console does not come with a HDMI cable. Source: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/compare101.htm. Someone please edit it. Rospaya (talk) 03:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
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Revision of the Entire Article
After a quick overview of the entire article, I noticed many sections that need revision because of being updated after the Xbox 360 premium (60 GB) was released and the price was cut. Alec92 (talk) 17:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
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SImpsons special edition was not a 10 console batch.
Please someone fix the article. It says that 10 Simpsons Movie themed Xbox consoles were produced, citing a Fox source. This information is false, because here in Chile there was a television contest which gave out a brand new Simpsons Movie Xbox. I suppose that the situation is similar for other countries with official Xbox presence.

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What is it's price
What is the price of Xbox 360 Arcade, Xbox 360 Premium and Xbox 360 Elite in Pakistan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bilal2009 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
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Falcon Chipset
Why do we even have this? i think it fairly pointless because all new consoles have the falcon chipset and the core has been retired, and any console that has to be refurbished by microsoft is upgraded, so i recommend getting rid of that, i would do it myself but i don't want to mess up the chart. Alec92 (talk) 04:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

US Price History
This section should be removed or moved from this page to another.

--Deathtrap3000 (talk) 03:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I made a timeline that took up less space. Remove it if you wish, but I simply made it for I guess clarity's sake. And also I made the orinal price history in to a "show/hide" type deal. I think we should keep it given Microsoft's Reputation for making many versions of products (XP and Vista anyone?). Plus, the price has shift enough over the range of the products to justify the keeping of it in there, at least in the minimalistic form that it is in now.Gyrferret (talk) 20:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Gyrferret. It looks a lot cleaner now. --Deathtrap3000 (talk) 02:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

22 mil sales
Now Xbox has sold 22 million units. Someone has to correct this. The article is locked that's why I couldn't edit it by myself. --84.60.220.115 (talk) 16:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

check this: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/microsoft-q1-revenue-up-9-per-cent --84.60.220.115 (talk) 16:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Updated, thanks for the source. --Silver Edge (talk) 12:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Core/Arcade Xbox Live
I was thinking maybe we should put a Footnote next to the Xbox Live subscription section for Core/Arcade saying "Hard Drive is needed for Online use" Alec92 (talk) 01:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

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Suggestion to include detail on compatible media formats
There are restrictions on video resolution, codec and container format that the xbox 360 will play. This also depends on the protocol or media used. Should cite this Microsoft MSDN blog which has a comprehensive FAQ:

I think this should be included/referenced in the multimedia section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choddo (talk • contribs) 21:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Physical Dimensions?
It'd be nice if a set of technical specs were included on this page. Even if MS doesn't have a page dedicated to it, the least someone could do is get the physical dimensions of the system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.40.235.23 (talk) 08:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Sales section outdated
has sold 7 million in europe http://www.mcvuk.com/news/32414/Xbox-360-storms-past-7m-sales-in-Europe and 25 million worldwide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.172.31.22 (talk) 23:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Retail configurations
The text here is unclear. Specifically, the first sentence refers to three variants "Arcade", "Pro" and "Elite" but the final sentence in the paragraph refers to "Xbox 360 Premium". Should be changed to be consistent.

Secondly reference to "Holiday 2008" is an ambiguous americanism. It would be clearer and more internationally appropriate to refer to "Christmas retail period in 2008" or omit altogether.

I don't appear to be able to edit this page or I would have corrected the first point. The second point I imagine would be subject to some debate so I'd leave that here regardless. 121.209.134.1 (talk) 15:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

ATi Xenos??
Seems it's actually a Microsoft design, and ATI had little to do with it, according to a very credible Taiwanese newspaper. Considering the specs for the both the PS3 and 360 are closed, everything about them is speculation, it's entirely possible ATI had little to do with design or production of the 360's GPU. References to Ati should be removed, unless someone has concrete evidence to show ATI designed and produced it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.171.21 (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

information added twice on the chart to the right
It says the units sold information once near the top and again near the bottom. I think that should be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1crazyboy7 (talk • contribs)
 * It can't be fixed in the article, since it's an error in the Infobox CVG system template that is waiting to be fixed, see Template talk:Infobox Information appliance. --Silver Edge (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

unnecessary information
under Retail configurations > Arcade, "It was publicly revealed (though it was available in stores far earlier)[16] by Microsoft's president of Entertainment Devices division Robbie Bach to the Financial Times on October 18, 2007,[18] and officially announced on October 22, 2007.[13] " who needs this info? can we delete it? --MarioV (talk) 03:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Arcade section in Retail configurations section
Someone edited the article so it sounds like all Arcade units have "an internal 256 MB memory chip" when the fact is that they just introduced that model, and most of the arcade 360's in fact so far have come with a 256 MB memory card. Someone who can actually edit the article should at least make a note that they came with cards originally.76.226.235.22 (talk) 03:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

name of consoles
On the box thingy that has all the accessory information, I think that the "Xbox 360" Should be called, the "Pro". People who don't have a clue about Xbox, might get confused. For example: Someone looks at the names. They see the Elite. Then, they see the 360. They could think, that the elite, is it's own console. Do you get my point? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.59.220 (talk) 05:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Its meant to be an encyclopedia so people who dont know can find out. It is the official name of the middle tier 360 ie the Pro/Premium whatever. This has been changed before but idiots keep editing it back. If it shows up again, I will edit it back. --Deathtrap3000 (talk) 05:25, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

More "The Simpsons" Consoles
I cant find it on their site but yesterday on Foxtel channel Fox8 in Australia a commercial was running for a simpsons mobile game from jamster with a chance of winning 1 in 5 360 units. I can only presume another batch was made Atirage (talk) 23:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Price drop December '08 (Europe)
see the XBOX 360 60GB dropping from €237,95 to €198,99 - visited Sunday Dec 21 '08. Is it just temporary / only on Amazon? GEIZHALS.AT shows 2 more shops with the same price drop.

77.116.143.64 (talk) 12:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Microsoft Announces 28 Million Xbox 360 Consoles sold/shipped
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/01/microsoft-xbox.html

In the link above, microsoft announce 28 million Xbox 360 consoles shipped/sold —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seece (talk • contribs) 09:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

_____________________ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xander Deathstalker (talk • contribs) 13:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi

I noticed your worldwide sales figures are now out of date so I updated article in 3 places with updated number and with a reference, as shown by the person who posted above there are other references available for this new figure.

Xander Deathstalker (talk) 13:15, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

P.S. See ref

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360#cite_note-World_Sales-0

Encryption
I think the main article should at least mention Encryption on the Xbox360, given its significance to the future freedom of computing in general, especially the manner in which its done on the Xbox360 (eFuses and hypervisors), for example, we may now live in a world where you can only publish code that is approved by the device manufactures, or gatekeepers (for example apple and microsoft). Sorry about the rant, but someone has to sound alarms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.186.4 (talk) 11:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

it's a console for christs sake, this has been done since the pong. take of the tinfoil hat please 84.193.179.123 (talk) 14:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Play & Win
Xbox is Giving Away Limited Edition Xbox 360s like Gears of War we should say something on the page   http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/events/playandwin/ 71.87.214.68 (talk) 22:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Deluxe Package
I was wondering, why isn't the Deluxe package listed in this article? Exa 1, Exa 2 24.183.100.243 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 16:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC).

Xbox Live
none of the bundles include anything with xbox live gold. 71.87.214.68 (talk) 23:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe the elite comes with a card with an extra months trial? 86.16.153.191 (talk) 02:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I work for a national electronics retailer and can confirm none of the xbox 360 sku's include a 1 month gold trial nor a 48 trial either, only a sliver membership —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.114.42.133 (talk) 10:35, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

US 20 GB
I have a Halo 3 Premium Xbox 360 and it has a 20 GB hard drive. Who will put on the page the US has a 20 GB HDD Premium?68.250.129.137 (talk) 22:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

xbox 360 sales
I looked on the internet at and as of 24th of janurary 2009, the console has sold 28.15 million units  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.203.46 (talk) 09:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that VGCharts failed the Wiki standards for a reliable source. (Psychoneko (talk) 07:06, 25 February 2009 (UTC))

Citation update
The URL for this citation (Citation 39)URL seems to have been moved. What was the content of the citation? Can it be replaced by this link instead? If there is no reply for some time, I might go ahead and be bold myself. Kushal (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Halo3 is not the best selling 360 game
Rockstar's GTA IV should be best selling 360 game, according to Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Third Quarter Fiscal 2008 Financial Results. 

I don't see where it says that. The closest I saw was something about 10 million being sold, but since the game isn't only for Xbox 360 that number is meaningless. Maybe I missed something. What do you need to search to find that info? 71.17.47.38 (talk) 07:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

A Pro is a Pro is a Pro
Just because Microsoft packages the Pro as the "Xbox 360 (subheading)Go Pro(/sub) " doesn't change the fact that it is the "Pro" model of the Xbox 360. We do not pander to marketing techniques. If we start calling it simply "the Xbox 360" in the text, we may confuse the reader. – xeno  ( talk ) 06:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

You do realise that at no point has it ever been officially called the pro model... Same thing as the premium. Was just a marketing technique so retailers could differentiate between the various models. --Deathtrap3000 (talk) 15:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * really? (cross-posted from your talk page)-> Many times companies will brand their products a certain way for marketing effects, such as packaging the "Xbox 360 Pro system" (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360prosystem/ - note the pro in the URL) as simply "the Xbox 360". While this is all well and good, our goal is clarity and we should not allow their branding to trickle down into a confusing encyclopedia article. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Thats funny. You say "our goal is clarity and we should not allow their branding to trickle down into a confusing encyclopedia article", but thats exactly what you are doing. The fact that 'pro' and 'premium' came about to make it clearer to the consumer which model they were buying should be made clear in the article. Its still not mentioned on the page, just in the url. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathtrap3000 (talk • contribs) 11:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My concern is that in the paragraph about the "Pro" model, we start using phrases like The Xbox 360 also includes a detachable 60 GB Hard Disk Drive which can be misleading, as it is only the Pro model which includes this. I have solicited further opinion from WT:VG. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Microsoft refers to the Xbox 360 60GB model as "Xbox 360", "Pro" doesn't have anything to do with the actual name. Even if it's mentioned in the address, it's still not officially referred to as the Pro. So I agree with Deathtrap3000, it should be called the "default Xbox 360", "Xbox 360 60GB", or something generic along those lines.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * From http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/hardware/x/xbox360prosystem/default.htm : The Xbox 360 Pro delivers the complete HD gaming and entertainment experience. With hundreds of HD games available, and amazing entertainmenta vailable through Xbox LIVE, this console comes fully loaded with a 60GB hard drive, wireless controller and headset. Here's another 140 instances of them calling it the "Xbox 360 Pro". –  xeno  ( talk ) 00:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

O really don't see why you can't simply say "Most versions of the Xbox 360 includes a detachable hard disk drive. The actual size varies from X to Y depending upon the model. There is also one version without a hard disk drive." It's completely neutral and factual. じん ない  03:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh? So apparently they refer to it as "pro" internationally, and "Xbox 360" in the US?--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 03:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Seemingly... But then retailers in the U.S. call it the Pro anyway (cf ). As well most gaming related newsblogs (i.e. . I don't understand the resistance to accurately positioning this retail configuration as "Pro". Simply calling it "Xbox 360" is plain confusing. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Even though referencing unofficial sources is dubious, I think that we could say "Xbox 360", commonly referred to as "Xbox 360 Pro", or something along those lines.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 03:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So reference both the official and the unofficial ones. But we have to get away from calling it just "the Xbox 360" when we are describing the features of the Pro model. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Before you start sourcing dubious sources I can tell you they will be removed if the article ever goes to GA, perhaps even a B-class assessment. Best Buy is reliable though for what it's being used for. じん  ない  10:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What is dubious about xbox.com? – xeno  ( talk ) 12:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I am talking about references from here. Xbox.com while it is reliable source for the Xbox, it is also a biased source. じん  ない  23:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I do agree that there should be some reference to this other than just "simply packaged as 'Xbox 360'". Im sure if Pro hadnt caught on we would still be calling it the Premium model. --Deathtrap3000 (talk) 14:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hows this, then? – xeno  ( talk ) 15:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

"i think we are finally in agreeance that it's appropriate to say "Pro" to ward against confusion, as microsoft does officially term it as such" - Im not in agreeance, Ive just given up changing it back. So much for 'encyclopaedia'. Also, the GB site is the only one to call it the 'Pro', the rest call it Xbox 360 60gb or just Xbox 360 --Deathtrap3000 (talk) 15:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually every site except the US site calls it the Pro. Anyhow, I've reliably sourced the fact that it's called a Pro, by Microsoft, by retailers, and by news sites. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you bothered to look on other official xbox sites then? I did, and they dont say pro anywhere except in the url which doesnt count as a reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathtrap3000 (talk • contribs) 19:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. See –  xeno  ( talk ) 19:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

the "Xbox 360 Pro" (sometimes shortened to simply "Xbox 360")


 * Frankly it would be less controversial if reworded something like

the standard Xbox 360 (often called the "Xbox 360 Pro")


 * And just go from there. You can still call it the Pro for the rest of the article until you're blue in the face, but you haven't given undue credence to Pro as the official name76.226.206.151 (talk) 04:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Resident Evil 5 Special Edition
there is a new limited edition xbox 360 thats coming out march 13 its a red xbox 360, for the realese of the game Resident Evil 5 Big Eazy 18:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SonsOfAnarchy1982 (talk • contribs)
 * Source: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/24/red-resident-evil-5-xbox-360-bundle-its-real/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xeno (talk • contribs) 18:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

The blood red Resident Evil 5 special edition Xbox is an Xbox 360 elite and has a 120gb hard drive it comes with a red controller and a black headset, the game (Resident Evil 5) and a free download of Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix. The Resident Evil Xbox is available for pre-order —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.208.74.59 (talk) 23:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Added. TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 16:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Gallery vs. stacked images
On my resolution (1600x1050), when the xbox images are stacked on the left side, they bleed into the next section, which results in pushing the chart (but not the section header) down leaving a fair amount of white space. With the gallery, this white space is partially filled in and the images do not bleed into the next section.

Here is what I see: http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4739/galleryxboxpage.png TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 17:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I personally think it makes more sense to have the images next to the text that describes them. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I do too but as you can see with the stacked version the Pro image is next to the Elite description and the Elite image is next to nothing. TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 21:25, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Did the  's help ? –  xeno  ( talk ) 23:01, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They do, but I still think they add unnecessary white space, it's just between the versions now. TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 02:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that's a necessary annoyance for those of us with extra wide monitors. Most of our readers are probably still 1280x or less. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Disc alteration?
Will anything happen to the disc itself if you install a game to the harddrive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.195.149 (talk) 12:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * How could there be, its a non writable medium. At most it could scratch the disk, but that would be coincidental. Mahjongg (talk) 00:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Would anything happen to the game? Would it be transferred from the disc so you couldn't use the disc? Also, would it be legal to do that with a rental game?


 * Um, the game will NOT play without the disc being in the tray. Yes, it should be absolutely legal. BTW, please redirect your questions and queries to the help desks WP:RD, not individual talk pages (as Wikipedia is not a forum). Thank you for understanding. Kushal (talk) 12:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

2 things
1: 360 rules.

2: The 360 has sold way more than 28 million units, those sales figures are so last year. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 19:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * 1 This is not the place to show you are a fan
 * 2 If you can provide verifiable evidence the xbox sold more than what is in the article, by all means edit the article, but you MUST provide a link to a verifiable source, that is how Wikipedia works you know.
 * 3 this whole thread, should be deleted as it does not help to improve the article, I don't mind if you remove this text too. Mahjongg (talk) 23:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, 1: I think I can find sources to show that the 360 total unit sales has grown since last year.

2: Soon as I've found some reliable sources I'll give ya a bell. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 17:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

360-PS3 animosity
Might it be worth mentioning the ongoing argument between owners of the 360 and PS3 as to which one is better? (PS3) Themanfromthenorth 22:21 March 16 —Preceding undated comment added 22:21, 16 March 2009 (UTC).


 * Nah, IMHO, not worth mentioning. ... We could write about News sources mentioning it though :) Kushal (talk) 18:10, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * See Console Wars. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

XNA
The Xna section needs to updated. Xna is now in version 3.0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joewest78544 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

360 North America price cut
I have a link here, which states that in North America, the core model of the Xbox 360 will be cut to $120s US, please do not mix this up with british pounds. I will include this in the article as soon as this source is verified. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds like 100% rumors, especially since it was announced by this blog on April 1st (April Fool's day). Here's hoping that it turns out to be true, though :-) (not holding my breath).  LobStoR (talk) 18:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well if they are rumors, they sound very releastic, I mean that is pretty beliveable, I mean the price cut is only $30s. mcjakqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 17:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Although I do believe it will drop to that price toward the end of they year, the current rumor you are quoting is an April Fools joke - the source you are quoting is itself quoting Popraza blogs, who has written an update on the article that it was indeed an April Fools joke. 121.222.114.150 (talk) 05:56, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Xbox 540/360 Slimline
I have discovered a link saying that the Xbox 540 which is essentially a slimline Xbox 360, will be released in 2009, presumably towards the end of the year, can it please be clarified that this is a reliable source, and if so merge it with this article or create a new one all together. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 15:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Even if that site were reliable (It may or may not be, I've no clue), the article is almost a year old. Surely there would be more news about a new revision if it were true? -FrYGuY (talk) 17:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll search for a newer source, If I cannot find a newer one I'll dismiss it as a unreliable source. However I have heard about microsoft discussing a slimline Xbox 360 in the past. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 10:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Halo 3 sales
The sale numbers (8.1 mil) are as of January 3rd or 1st, 2008, check the source. It was first announced on Major Nelsons Blog. Until March 2009, there are no new numbers that I am aware of, but it has definitly sold more than 8.1 mil units.--88.77.0.21 (talk) 10:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey someone change this please. The cited source is from January 2008 and as of now no new numbers have been released and therefore the 8.1 as of Janaury 2008 are still correct and we cannot write March 2009.--94.220.230.2 (talk) 17:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

WTF is going on? In the source it says January 2008, there are no new numbers, the latest are those 8.1 mil units as of January 2008, and I am pretty sure that now there have been many more units sold than a total of 8.1 mil, therefore either provide a source or change it!--94.220.229.177 (talk) 16:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

One Month later and no one managed to change this. Why is nobody changing this?--94.220.235.115 (talk) 15:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Critical Reception section
Is there one and I'm just not seeing it, or does it not exist? Fairweather01 (talk) 22:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There don't appear to be one, so I dunno If you are seeing things or If it's a glitch with your computer. Can't help ya on this one. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 19:09, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * A Critical Reception section simply doesn't exist for this article whereas it does exist for the Wii and PS3 articles. (Psychoneko (talk) 12:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC))

FAT32 file system for portable drive viewing?
Hi, can anyone care to confirm if only FAT32 file system is recognised by the xbox 360 console? I tried to connect a 16GB NTFS flash drive but the console could not read. However inserting another drive but with FAT32 instead, the console can recognise it. Or is it the size limitation(16GB)??

202.156.9.237 (talk) 12:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you think?
We should add a section on the controller? I mean it's pretty pointless having the image but not talking about it. (And if you say "They can see the image, why describe" keep in mind on the N64 page (which shouldn't exist, really, rather be merged with the N64 article) the have the pic and text.) Strong Intelligent (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC).
 * Exists @ Xbox 360 accessories. –xeno talk 15:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Xbox Live Video Store picture labeled wrong.
Under Section 6.2 Xbox Live Video Store there is a picture marked as "Xbox Video Marketplace" which is actually a picture of the Xbox Netflix menu of someone's instant que of movies and not a picture of the cideo marketplace. I am currently at work and most of my internet is blocked. I will find a picture of the new video marketplace menu and link it here later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twheeler83 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Found One http://blogs.chron.com/gamehacks/NetflixVideoMarketplaceNighttheme2.jpg

Halo Wars Xbox360?
http://www.videogamer.com/features/competition/27-04-2009-684.html

I Think we should intigrate this into the articalPoohman0 (talk) 04:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Units and Xbox LIVE members
Year-over-year growth jumps as Xbox 360 console sales hit **30 million** globally and Xbox LIVE community reaches 20 million users.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Xbox-360-Sees-Record-Growth-prnews-15368729.html?.v=1

Please update the "units sold" data.


 * That document says, "Press Release Source: Microsoft Corp. " - therefore it is a primary source.   Chzz  ►  21:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Steve Ballmer's "new Xbox" quote
Should Ballmer's comment about a "new Xbox" really be stated as fact in the article? The quote was not elaborated on in any way, and it is unclear whether he was talking about a legitimate new Xbox, Natal, or just a new SKU with Natal bundled in. Shouldn't the statement in the article be reworded somehow? sdornan (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Whither XBox Pro?
According to the Microsoft Web Site the middle configuration is no longer "XBox 360 Pro" but just "XBox 360". Important to know whether this name change represents a product revision or is just rebranding. And of course the comparison table needs to be updated. Isaac R (talk) 17:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is addressed in the article and above @ Talk:Xbox 360. –xenotalk 17:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Call of Duty 4 or Halo 3
Call of Duty has the highest amount of sales for the Xbox 360, but is it considered 'topgame'as shown in the table to the right of the Xbox 360 Main page. Is it only based on exclusives? —Preceding unsigned comment added by InbredScorpion (talk • contribs) 10:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Xbox 3?
The Xbox 360 is approaching its fourth anniversary. It was released on the fourth anniversary of the original Xbox. Any possibility of a third generation Xbox being released this year? Cousert (talk)
 * No, the 360 is going to have a 10 year lifespan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.113.253 (talk) 01:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Neither of these can be confirmed, so no. By the way bot, please archive ASAP. This discussion page is ridiculously long. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 09:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)